Kratom Why does kratom barely work for me and what can I do to change that?

[AngelsandFairiesarereal]

Well, Kratom in all forms is addictive. Is it more addictive than plain leaf Kratom? What about extracts?

And how well does it work for you in comparison to plain leaf?

Yea it works well for pain for sure, more than I’ve experienced with other forms. You do get a tolerance. And if I’m being honest, yea I think it’s much more addictive than plain leaf and extracts

 

[Mycophile]

Yea it works well for pain for sure, more than I’ve experienced with other forms. You do get a tolerance. And if I’m being honest, yea I think it’s much more addictive than plain leaf and extracts

Does it give a good mood boost/euphoria/feelings of wellbeing? Also, isn't there some other kind of extract that people have been talking about within the past year or so that wasn't usually available before? Some kind of isolated 7-Oh extract or something that was specifically different from the others? I'm curious about that.

 

[AngelsandFairiesarereal]

Does it give a good mood boost/euphoria/feelings of wellbeing?

Yea it can for sure, but with tolerance you’ll need more to get it. I’m taking double, almost triple today than I was like a week ago. *But I’ve been going through some crazy shit lately (so my adrenaline might be higher) as well as in a pain flare. So your experiences might be different than mine. But, I’ve heard others say they developed tolerance pretty quickly as well.

Also, isn't there some other kind of extract that people have been talking about within the past year or so that wasn't usually available before? Some kind of isolated 7-Oh extract or something that was specifically different from the others? I'm curious about that.

You might be thinking of mitragynine pseudoindoxyl.

 

[Jen X]

I've never gotten anything from Kratom but I had a big tolerance whenever I would try it. I'm sure like opioids tolerance is an issue.

Side note, has anyone ever od'd from Kratom?

 

[Shady's Fox]

Yea it can for sure, but with tolerance you’ll need more to get it. I’m taking double, almost triple today than I was like a week ago. *But I’ve been going through some crazy shit lately (so my adrenaline might be higher) as well as in a pain flare. So your experiences might be different than mine. But, I’ve heard others say they developed tolerance pretty quickly as well.

You might be thinking of mitragynine pseudoindoxyl.

I once took kratom from a friend and tbh felt more like a tea to me, like getting high off high quality green tea.

 

[Neuroprotection]

I've never gotten anything from Kratom but I had a big tolerance whenever I would try it. I'm sure like opioids tolerance is an issue.

Side note, has anyone ever od'd from Kratom?

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but from some of your previous posts, I believe you are a chronic medicinal opioid user with a long history of use. If that’s the case, it’s very likely you won’t get anything from kratom unless you’ve been off traditional opioids for a very long time, e.g. a few years.
As your question about overdose, I believe it has happened but it mostly only results in unpleasant nervous system effects. fatal cases are extremely rare from what I know, I think they usually involve multiple depressant drugs including alcohol, benzodiazepines and traditional strong opioids.
There was a case of a teenage boy committing suicide after an extended period of kratom usage and his parents were pushing for the drug to be banned and for more awareness to be raised about the drug. I actually believe that kratom may well have contributed to his depression and suicide which is honestly tragic. I do support more education about the drug and the prohibition of its sale to teenagers. thing is, its unfortunately not surprising that bad things happen when an adolescent at the most important stage of brain development starts taking quite a potent drug at incredibly high doses for a long time.
Even caffeine in the form of energy drinks have been linked to teenage mental health problems and suicide.
Sorry about that, I went on a major tangent there.

 

[sassgrass14]

I've posted about this before, and I don't really take Kratom often, but it used to be my all time favorite drug. I used to get the best euphoria ever from it, especially in a stimulant sense. But now it has honestly been well over a year since I actually have gotten a seriously good high from Kratom. I have tried different vendors and different strains, all different kinds of potentiators, different doses, on an empty stomach and with food, and the most I can get is a VERY mild feeling of sedation and a tiny bit of feeling of well being. My tolerance should be low because I so rarely take it, and so my doses will range between 2 grams to 3.7 which I took today and which is the highest in a long time, but still I barely get any effects.

Could this be kindling or something like that? I have kind of forgotten what kindling is. Isn't it kind of like perma-tolerance or something? We all know Kratom is VERY fickle in terms of what you can mix it with and dosages and all that, so I assume this has happened to others before, but it's REALLY annoying. I do find it will work medicinally, like if I take it for a hangover it gets rid of the headache or if I have had too much caffeine and it's making me anxious then when the Kratom kicks in the anxiety will go away. So it is doing SOMETHING, but it seems like it just can't do what it used to. I should stress that I have had periods in the past where I took very high doses, as much as 16 grams per day when I was addicted about 5 years ago, but then I stopped and my tolerance went way down.

Does anyone know why it won't work for me and what I can do to get it to really work again? Has this happened to anyone here before and, if so, what did you do? All I can think of is trying more vendors and strains. I think I'll get some from the first vendor I ever used since I haven't tried their stuff in several years, but really, I see no reason why any of the MANY different strains I have from a couple different vendors shouldn't be working better. I may also try to make ultra low dose naltrexone from some full dose pills I have and maybe that will help. In particular I most miss the really great stimulant highs. Anyways, any advice would be appreciated.

Hey, im new on here and just started taking kratom and i found this post!
i just wanted to say that i’ve experienced the same thing as you but with adderal. When I was younger, I abused my adderal ALOT.
But now I have kids and school and a job. So, I got back on my adderal in hopes of using it like im supposed to, to help with my adhd. But i barely can tell its working now or that im taking it. its crazy!

 

[daturetard]

Also, this is kind of unrelated, and I have never gotten much effect from codeine, but I found an old bottle of #3s the other day and I took 5 and felt NOTHING. Shouldn't I have felt SOMETHING from Codeine when I have no tolerance?

I don't really care if it works or not cause it's never been something I used, but being that it's another opioid that doesn't work for me makes me wonder what's up. I strongly assume that stronger true opioids like Oxy and Hydro would be working, but I'm not going to try to find them.

If you take kratom it severely fucks over your ability to get really high on sane doses of full agonists for like a week, ime

 

[Neuroprotection]

Hey, im new on here and just started taking kratom and i found this post!
i just wanted to say that i’ve experienced the same thing as you but with adderal. When I was younger, I abused my adderal ALOT.
But now I have kids and school and a job. So, I got back on my adderal in hopes of using it like im supposed to, to help with my adhd. But i barely can tell its working now or that im taking it. its crazy!

Tolerance to amphetamines especially after long-term abuse is actually quite common, such tolerance is generally quite difficult to reverse with mainstream methods like tolerance brakes or potentiators. The most popular reason for amphetamine tolerance is neurotransmitter depletion, which makes sense. However, I think there are less widely known changes/adaptations that occur at the post, synaptic level in dopamine receptor expressing neurons. you might be thinking receptor down regulation, but just like neuro transmitted depletion this should only be short term. The more intriguing changes include those to neuronal excitability caused by the activation of a protein called CDK5. i’m thinking of creating a thread about this protein, but I apologise for going off topic

I do have one suggestion to reverse your Adderall Torrance but it is unproven and possibly dangerous.
Basically, there’s a theory that microdosing amphetamine for a few days, (around 2 mg orally), followed by a long break of a few weeks causes severe sensitisation to the behavioural effects of amphetamine. some anecdotes on Reddit which I can no longer find claim that accidentally taking a tiny dose of stimulants had caused them to become so sensitive they had to give up stimulants completely, in addition to becoming super sensitive to natural reward.
I don’t know how true this is, and the practice reportedly comes with side-effects like sleep disturbances and motor ticks in some people, along with the dramatically increased propensity for risky behaviour.

 

[Dreamflyer]

Kratom has a very low ceiling, which means that taking more just increases the side effects with no added benefit. I used to take up to 60g of Red Bali a day, and eventually realized that anything over 5g was pointless. I haven't even used it in years.