Why do you guys do it? I am curious..

[SmokingAces]

So I want to ask a question, the subject is somewhat taboo around here.. So lets keep this free of vendor discussion and particulars.

Ok, I like to think of us all as relatively intelligent people. And a very diverse mix of backgrounds. We all surely are aware the government is oppressive and prohibition is bullshit. So why do some of us still play by their rules?

In this day and age, everything has gone digital. I hate smartphones but I still use one because it is most convenient to be able to take pics when I'm out. I don't use social networking. Drugs in this day and age alot of it has undeniably gone online, I'd estimate most local ecstasy dealers buy online and resell. Obviously weed, coke and heroin are 3 drugs available in most towns, but on the whole it is public knowledge the purity of Class A's in general online is much higher, and weed there is more choice.

Something I just do not understand is why do people who are users, choose to drag their heels? And allow the oppressive aims of the government to effect their use as an end user? A choice of cut coke at £100 a gram or an RC stimulant that nobody knows anything about. Why be made to choose? 10% heroin? Get the fuck outta here.
I can see it's different if you had actually good local contacts, buy lets face of it most of us don't.

Then you've got the RC shops. Arguably the most immoral drug dealers of the lot. They follow no real code of conduct or quality control. People report a different batch of their favorite RC stim each week, yet don't seem to question or even test what the fuck they're getting. From what I have seen personally there is more testing goes on of illegals now thanks to places like Wedinos and Energy Control than there is testing of RC's, by their users and vendors. Yet people choose to use these drugs and post things like "a rush almost as good as speed". Yet it costs more than speed. I really just don't get it.

People whinge "ahh the quality's not what it was 10 years ago with speed 10 years ago though", and it's true. But then they haven't moved along with the scene since 10 years ago either. The people who have funnily enough don't report these problems, they just might have to try a few suppliers but sooner or later they find what they're looking for.

It's just something I am curious to hear peoples reasons for playing the RC game. Or accepting questionable quality weed from some muggy dealer selling .9's. It makes me sad to see people satisfied with buying shite that's not really good enough and having to put up with it. All because of stupid laws. That is why I started this thread if anyone is curious

 

[BecomingJulie]

I suppose I'm extremely lucky to be able to get weed via just one other person from the grower, and consistently blinding H (albeit at eye-watering prices). I also have people I can trust to tell the difference between good quality cocaine and the heavily-cut stuff that often passes for cocaine these days.

The question of legality doesn't really come into it for me.

There did use to be legal highs that actually worked, for awhile around the turn of the century; though of course, they were eventually banned. (I'm thinking "Druids' Fantasy" / "Space Cadets", which were basically LSA; nowhere near as strong as LSD, but still good for a giggle; and "Road Runner" which was some kind of stimulant plant extract, possibly even a phenylethylamine, and certainly much more potent than caffeine.)

Our great-great-grandchildren probably will look back in wonder at the time before we mastered direct control of our biological systems, and actually had to ingest chemicals rather than merely persuading our own glands to release the necessary hormones to produce a desired state, never mind the lengths to which we used to be prepared to have to go to get those chemicals .....

 

[Raasyvibe]

Ok, I like to think of us all as relatively intelligent people.

Arguable.

And a very diverse mix of backgrounds. We all surely are aware the government is oppressive and prohibition is bullshit. So why do some of us still play by their rules?

I would imagine most RC users use illegal drugs also. For many however, the risk of getting caught and landing a criminal record is a big deal. If you are in a professional line of work, or other work which require criminal record checks then getting caught with drugs could ruin your entire career. If you're earning over 30k a year for instance, that would be a massive hit.

 

[Ceres]

It's just something I am curious to hear peoples reasons for playing the RC game.

because some of them are useful, for mental health purposes. I am not a hedonist these days. The RC market is a dangerous place but there are one or two things out there that are actually genuinely useful drugs. I know what I'm doing and am responsible about it, having some eduction in chemistry, pharmacology and neurobiology keeps me safe.

For anyone else, it can be a deadly trap. I have known many people who lost their lives because of it, I was on thin ice at one point but now I feel compelled to help people navigate this dangerous maze.

 

[SmokingAces]

Raas, I can see your point with legality. But it seems more like a lazy excuse. How hard is it if you value a clean record to just do a bit of homework and learn how to do things safely without being caught. Failing that get a friend to order and sort it for you, pay a bit more. Or like Julie has find a trustworthy local contact through your social circle. Everyone could surely do one of those 3 things, rather than accepting legal high sites or 20% pure drugs locally as their only options?

Ceres, but then from that perspective aren't you safer with something which has been around and profiled for years? Obviously there are new drugs which emerge as potentially very useful tools, MXE was one for depression I and many others would seem to agree.

I can completely see you will be fine Ceres yes, as you say you have education on the subject. But for most others just buying grams of RC stims and battering mountains of the stuff because its like speed I can't help but feel they'd be better with the devil you know. Your taking 20mg of 3-FPM at a time some users are using 10grams in a week. I applaud you for spreading your knowledge, and what you posted about informing your local GP about the likely impending problem when RC benzo's become unavailable was very thoughtful of you. When I see mine given that he knows I am a drug user I will be doing the same.

 

[SquidInSunglasses]

At least for me, it was ease of access when I had no idea what I was doing that got me into RCs, and since I hadn't had the proper thing I had no idea what I was missing out on. As I have said many times, I will be moving on to more well-known substances now that I've actually got some idea of how much of a risk buying a chemical with no history of human use off a shady internet vendor is.

 

[SmokingAces]

^ Speechless at the first part Evey. 8k of debt through codeine and a failed masters. Are you saying your recent 3-FPM use was just a bit of rebellion against your parents trying to stop you using codeine Evey?

At least for me, it was ease of access when I had no idea what I was doing that got me into RCs, and since I hadn't had the proper thing I had no idea what I was missing out on. As I have said many times, I will be moving on to more well-known substances now that I've actually got some idea of how much of a risk buying a chemical with no history of human use off a shady internet vendor is.

Worrying. However I bet alot of the time it's the case. I'd say your right to move onto better known substances now you've taken the sensible course of informing yourself through sites like these. It's a shame RC sites have to sell it as plant food and can't link to places like here.

 

[SquidInSunglasses]

Worrying. However I bet alot of the time it's the case. I'd say your right to move onto better known substances now you've taken the sensible course of informing yourself through sites like these. It's a shame RC sites have to sell it as plant food and can't link to places like here.

"No idea what I was doing" is hyperbole really, it'd be more accurate to say it was when I had no experience with drugs and only what knowledge I'd picked up browsing around online. I did as much research as I could on Erowid before I actually took anything (this was around octoberish last year), weighed everything and did test runs before I went out on MPA, which was the first RC I tried. Then I came on here looking for more info about MPA and trying to find a vendor, lurked for a bit before I signed up, and once I joined here I'd say I've picked up a significantly better understanding of the risks and effects of drugs than I had prior to joining. Helped of course by taking a bunch : P

 

[Eveleivibe]

That's ace you saynthat, Squidy cause shows that BL is doing its job im terms of harm Reduction. People are straight here n will tell the truth. I've found then helpful even if I seemed I wasn't listening. Sprout's post the other day on3fpm really hit home (even tho I'm kinda being hypocrite) my intentions have changed. Sometimes it's important we get the cold hard truth whether we like it or not

Evey

 

[consumer]

I only buy 2 drugs. LSD and Cocaine. I buy my LSD from a close mate that had been selling acid for over 30 years. He only ever has the finest crystal which he then turns into liquid. My last purchase was 3 years ago and i still have half the vial so it will probably be another 2 or 3 years before i need to restock.

The coke also comes from a close long term friend. Its always very good quality just expensive. He does look after me when i buy it though that is only 2 or 3 times a year usually.

I have looked at the darknet out of interest and if i didn't have the personal connections i do i would probably use it, especially for LSD as it appears there is a lot of very high quality acid for sale on the darknet and shipping acid on blotters in the mail is relatively safe. I have actually been tempted to order some just to try some different stuff. I am not in the LSD is LSD camp..different crystal has different effects in my experience and opinion though i am not getting into a discussion on that here, just explaining why i am tempted to order some when i already have a nice stash of beautiful clean and visual acid.

Maybe i will one day but for the moment i will just chill with what i already have.

 

[Ceres]

my problem with coke is primarily the utter misery it causes people in south america, and secondly the purity levels after it gets into the hands of the end user including dangerous adulterants like levamisole. Oh and thirdly, the damage it does to people and already deprived communities in countries where it is sold as freebase.

having gotten a feel for 1-p-lsd I can now see why lsd appeals to people though.

I only buy drugs I know are pure from a trustworthy source and there are only 2 drugs I buy and use fairly often but at low medicinal / therapeutic doses as and when needed.

I did make a list of all the RC's I've tried since 2009 and it was shockingly long. Like over 50 substances. I had a few years of very serious mental health problems though and was behaving very very recklessly with little regard for my own safety at times, until my friends started dying, which was a massive wake up call.

RC's nearly took my life and I genuinely fear for the vulnerable people, particularly young people, who find themselves with easy access to these drugs.

The cat is out of the bag though now and all we can do is adapt as a society to integrating these issues into robust education and support for those who will take drugs.

 

[consumer]

I agree with you Ceres on the damage cocaine causes to communities in South America and just the amount of blood spilled in general that is associated with it. Unfortunately I really dont have any other options as far as stimulants go as crystal meth is the only other one available to me and while i have used it in the past and had some wild times on it I have seen the damage it causes and the longevity of the high is generally not what i am after. So coke it is but like i said its only a handful of times a year for me.

And yeah... LSD IS AWESOME!

 

[BecomingJulie]

If coffee was banned tomorrow, I would bet good money that the problems currently associated with (the illegality of) cocaine would be replicated one-for-one with coffee. The blame for the harm being done in South America belongs squarely at the foot of Western (as far as they are concerned, Northern and Eastern?) governments and their media paymasters.

 

[consumer]

I agree Julie. The problem is prohibition, largely pushed by the USA.

 

[Temperate Citizens]

Look at this board, for Heaven's sake. Prohibition is NOT the problem. DRUGS are the problem. Legal highs have demonstrated so, in perhaps the most telling unintended social experiment of our time. Wake up!

 

[consumer]

Prohibition amplifys the problems drugs cause by a significant magnitude. The involvement of organised crime for one. Prohibition does not work. It didn't work in America with alcohol. It just funded organized crime and now drugs in general are doing the same thing.

But you are clearly here to troll, this being your first post and with that username so apart from this post I am not playing your game.

 

[Temperate Citizens]

I'm here to discuss the social cancer affecting communities all over these isles, but as you write me off as a 'troll' for opposing your tired, drug-apologist dogma, I'll leave you to your cocaine. Especially as you've effectively dismissed the horrific harm caused by cocaine in South America in saying 'methamphetamine is bad for me so I choose coke'. What a truly disturbing attitude.

 

[Vurtual]

In many cases i've used rcs because i preferred them to the available illegal drugs - i preferred 6-apb to the mdma that i could get then; i much prefer MXE and 3-meo-pcp/pce to ketamine (which was very thin on the ground lately anyway); i even prefer al-lad and 1p-lsd to the lsd i could get (partly for consistency/purity, but also for the actual effects); i prefer 3fpm to the speed i can get. Most of these weren't particularly novel or that much different in risks/effects than what they replaced for me (though 6-apb had high activity on ?HT1A? which is a bit dodgy (not dead yet though)).

Accessibility is a big thing too in some areas - illegality is also a big factor (which also keeps me away from the dark net (that and laziness (and worrying how dark it really is))). Nonetheless, to me certain rcs were a total non-brainer (hopefully only in the good way) - i feel lucky to have been around when i could legally buy pcp analogues on the internet; and am still in a time when i can buy amazing lsd analogues.

EDIT: Is that that paramilitary anti-drugs dude above? Don't shoot! i'll give up drugs! (apologies if you're not that dude)

 

[consumer]

The only RC's that interest me are those LSD analogues. Particularly ALD-52. But as trying them means personally importing them into the country i dont feel its worth the risk. A criminal conviction for drugs would mean the end of my nursing career so its not worth the risk plus i already have a stash of top grade acid. They do sound nice i must admit. You guys are so lucky to have legal lysergamides.

 

[Temperate Citizens]

In many cases i've used rcs because i preferred them to the available illegal drugs - i preferred 6-apb to the mdma that i could get then; i much prefer MXE and 3-meo-pcp/pce to ketamine (which was very thin on the ground lately anyway); i even prefer al-lad and 1p-lsd to the lsd i could get (partly for consistency/purity, but also for the actual effects); i prefer 3fpm to the speed i can get. Most of these weren't particularly novel or that much different in risks/effects than what they replaced for me (though 6-apb had high activity on ?HT1A? which is a bit dodgy (not dead yet though)).Accessibility is a big thing too in some areas - illegality is also a big factor (which also keeps me away from the dark net (that and laziness (and worrying how dark it really is))). Nonetheless, to me certain rcs were a total non-brainer (hopefully only in the good way) - i feel lucky to have been around when i could legally buy pcp analogues on the internet; and am still in a time when i can buy amazing lsd analogues.EDIT: Is that that paramilitary anti-drugs dude above? Don't shoot! i'll give up drugs! (apologies if you're not that dude)

Interesting that you admit that the illegality (and consequent difficulty in acquisition) of many drugs puts you off. From reading this forum, you'd believe that illegality automatically increases supply, demand and distribution. This is demonstrably not the case.