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Why do so many people od from heroin?

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kiki916

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I always wonder what is it about heroin that people seem to od on all the time. I don't hear about it as much from meth or coke. This is one of the main reasons I will never try it. It scares me too much.
 
If you look at ER stats, you'll see that heroin ODs make up only a small percentage of all admissions for drug ODs. But the risk of a heroin OD is due to these factors.

1. The purity of heroin can vary quite a bit. So the bags you buy today may actually be twice as strong as the same stamp you purchased yesterday. You don't know you've doubled your dose.

2. For a regular heroin user with a good tolerance, the safety margin separating the dose for a good high and an overdose can be pretty small.

3. Opiod narcotics depress the central and peripheral nervous systems making your breathing very slow and shallow. Effects are mediated principally through mu and kappa receptors. Mu receptor effects include analgesia, euphoria, respiratory depression, and miosis. Kappa receptor effects include analgesia, miosis, respiratory depression, and sedation.
 
^what he said.

Its a potent narcotic that suppresses the respiratory system. Combine that with the fact that It's a non-standardized, non regulated street drug cut with who knows what in various ratios measured out in rough doses and you have a recipe for OD.
 
Honestly, I wrote a paper back when i was attending UNT over Oxy and OD victims under the age of 18 and one of my main points was that it takes a lot of oxy to just OD on. Most kids died from the combining of a benzo or sleep aid with it which is what put them into respiratory depression...probably same goes for H
 
Isn't that what I said?

phatass said:
one of the factors is that the quality is allways different... so you might shoot some 20% and be nodding an d next time get some 40% do a slightly bigger shot oblivious to the increase in purity and OD
(just 1 factor)
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yes but many a bluelighter suffers from the affliction i like to call "selective reading"
 
I suppose you make a good point there. Carry on!

phatass said:
I don't allways read through all of the threads, i'm a bit lazy... the fact that different people are giving the same or similar reasons makes it more likely that the OP gets a reliable answer no?
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I have a question this is the 7th day now the first 5 i was taking about 120mg of morphine sulfate ir either plugging or eating it since friday at 3 i have snorted 40 dilaudid 2mgs and have 20 left ive been able to sleep and piss no shitting but thats to be expected just wondering whats an unsafe amount of dilaudids to snort in a day and if i would notice before it was too much as in throwing up or something or will i just pass out and stop breathing without warning ive been snorting between 4 and 6 mg every hour plugged some but was just a hstle for the same effect not able to iv as thats not an option and tonight will be the last of it anyway but what i want to know is the od sudden or will i know when its too much or is the amount im taking spread out over time safe enough please respond thanks also i chew tobbaco and everytime i do i get really bad hiccups until i do another line plus my visions a little blurry but that coould be from staring a tthe laptop thanks again
 
Canadian_Experimen said:
I have a question this is the 7th day now the first 5 i was taking about 120mg of morphine sulfate ir either plugging or eating it since friday at 3 i have snorted 40 dilaudid 2mgs and have 20 left ive been able to sleep and piss no shitting but thats to be expected just wondering whats an unsafe amount of dilaudids to snort in a day and if i would notice before it was too much as in throwing up or something or will i just pass out and stop breathing without warning ive been snorting between 4 and 6 mg every hour plugged some but was just a hstle for the same effect not able to iv as thats not an option and tonight will be the last of it anyway but what i want to know is the od sudden or will i know when its too much or is the amount im taking spread out over time safe enough please respond thanks also i chew tobbaco and everytime i do i get really bad hiccups until i do another line plus my visions a little blurry but that coould be from staring a tthe laptop thanks again
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you REALLY need to use some punctuation to make this easier for people to read if you want more answers.

anyway, i hate when people ask "what is a safe amount of xx substance" because it is going to vary from one individual to another. it all depends on your tolerance and experience.

some signs of opiate overdose include:
-severe respiratory depression (difficulty breathing)
-decreased pulse rate
-low blood pressure
-loss of consciousness

if you find that you are having trouble breathing or staying conscious, call or go to emergency.

it is always a good idea to have a sober friend with you when you are dosing large amounts of any drug, and are uncertain how you will react to them.
 
Why do so many people OD on heroin?

1. Varying potency of different batches
2. They combine other depressants like benzodiazepines. This may be the reason for the majority of Heroin OD cases.
3. Newbies simply use too much on one of their first few times. Unaware of their own tolerance.
4. An extreme minority do it on purpose to commit suicide. Or at least not giving a fuck about how much they use due to a lack of care for their life.

Its either one of the four.
 
Cuts in the Tar can cause a overdose your heart not being used to it. Being on other drugs a day before can throw your heart in a loop and make it stop it happened to me before well it didnt stop it lost all the rythym with you need to stay on two feet. junk sit is common and it is known when i get it cause it clogs the filters it still floors you.

i got opium once or i thought i was opium i am pretty sure it was it wasnt tar like i threw it in the fridge to harden to unrap the ballon it still was soft and sticky with no vinegar smell this shit not even being true diecytylmorphine almost killed me and has permanently fucked up my joint: knees, wrists, elbows and gave me a migraine that i thought my head was gonna blow off so its not always stronger shit its shit not made right possibly made by a little kid in the 4th grade or something
 
People go to rehab, jail, or just take a break, and come back full force with their regular shot and fall out. As little as a 3-5 days break reduces your tolerence.

People combine their heroin with benzo's, alcohol, and other depressants and it increases potency exponentally and unpredictably. Among regular users with decent tolerence od's from plain heroin are not that common.

Unknown/unreliable source, a lot of users buy their shit on the street from someone they don't know and the dealer probobly don't know much about their product. Copping from a reliable trusted source is a better practice, it usually comes to that after you've been using awhile, getting to know more older/long term junkies.

Even if you think you have a big tolerence and you know your guy, you should start with 1 bag when first starting back, just to check it and to get some tolerence back, like if you were to shoot 4 bags your first shot even after a 3 days break it might catch you off guard and you'd fall out, but by shooting that first single bag to get some tolerence back you can go for 3-4-5 your next shoot and be safer.
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Why do so many people OD on heroin?

1. Varying potency of different batches
2. They combine other depressants like benzodiazepines. This may be the reason for the majority of Heroin OD cases.
3. Newbies simply use too much on one of their first few times. Unaware of their own tolerance.
4. An extreme minority do it on purpose to commit suicide. Or at least not giving a fuck about how much they use due to a lack of care for their life.

Its either one of the four.
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PillPoppingAnimal said:
heroin is never the same...bags are always different, potency and amount too
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AfterGlow said:
If you look at ER stats, you'll see that heroin ODs make up only a small percentage of all admissions for drug ODs. But the risk of a heroin OD is due to these factors.

1. The purity of heroin can vary quite a bit. So the bags you buy today may actually be twice as strong as the same stamp you purchased yesterday. You don't know you've doubled your dose.

2. For a regular heroin user with a good tolerance, the safety margin separating the dose for a good high and an overdose can be pretty small.

3. Opiod narcotics depress the central and peripheral nervous systems making your breathing very slow and shallow. Effects are mediated principally through mu and kappa receptors. Mu receptor effects include analgesia, euphoria, respiratory depression, and miosis. Kappa receptor effects include analgesia, miosis, respiratory depression, and sedation.
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its mostly because the difference in bags/dealers/new batches

you could be used to one dealer for a few weeks, he gets a new shipment, and its way more potent, you do the same amount of bags your used to, and die

and also its what the heroin is cut with, could be fentynal (deadly if you dont know what you're doin) or a benzo, or anything from benadryl to cocaine


theres no magic answer, its quite common sense if you think about it, no bag is the same.
 
As to why you don't hear of as many people dying from coke or meth OD's it does happen of course, but shooting cocaine quickly makes your arm look like it got caught in a sewing machine and you can get a good rush smoking crack so less people IV coke. Meth is hard to OD on even IV, I've seen many people OD on it, go into convulsions, and get up like nothing happened and load up another shot.
 
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