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Why do people roll so often if we all know the once a month rule?

The Monkey Mantra

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Monkeys take something like 10-14 days to recover serotonin levels after ecstasy.

With all the research showing how long it takes serotonin function to normalize after a *sane* dose of MDMA, I'm curious as to WHY people continue to take pills once a week. I mean, the recommendation has been to dose about 100 mg a month and no more. If people know the magic will inevitably be lost, why do they fuck with it? I don't wanna play the "Ravers are dumb" card, but seriously, I don't friggin' get it. With all those research chemicals out there, can't we just keep our E to once a month and, if you really have nothing better to do than party, intersperse it with something else?

The education is out there, but what are your (the posters on this board) thoughts about why you choose to dose more than you should? Is it addiction, culture, or self-destructive desires? What's the motivation?
 
The only thing I can think of is that MDMA causes more euphoria in some than others. I feel that after my first roll, I can easily keep my usage to once a month. Also, if it is readily available and/or the person has nothing else to spend money on, it could be difficult to not use frequently.
 
The Monkey Mantra said:
Is it addiction, culture, or self-destructive desires? What's the motivation?

A little bit of all of these, maybe. Like anything, E can be psychologically addictive, and though you'll stop feeling all loved up, you'll still feel fucked up. The raver culture is very centric on rolling, Imean how many people go to a rave totally sober and enjoy it as much? And though we know the dangers, people can still be ignorant. We've known smoking's dangerous for decades now, and people still choose to start doing it.

Personally, in my brief time amongst the ravers in Colorado, I rolled so much because it was just the thing to do. Eventually it got to the point where the magic was totally gone and E just gave me a feeling of intoxication. I stopped once I dropped off the rave scene (give me guitars and voices over synthesizers and lights any day), having learned my lesson about excessive ecstasy usage.
 
Why? Because back in the 90's when I was doing it, the information wasn't there. We just used it like any other drug because the info wasn't there and we didn't know any better. We used it once or twice a week cause we thought it was okay, and didn't know any better. If I had had the information that was available now then, I would have made better choices, but I didn't, so I didn't. Knowledge is power IMO.
 
I just recently (last week) did it twice within 6 days, completely out of the norm however.

I can keep myself to the once a month rule no problems. I'd say for some it's lack of knowledge, some lack of self-control, some lack of care.

Lucky I don't live in Ibiza is all I have to say really now I think about it, only did it twice last week because of God's Kitchen and Paul van Dyk :D
 
and for fat asses its great for weight loss.
Pop a pill sit on your ass and the lbs will drop off - at least in my case they do :D
 
Everyone has their own opinion on what considers moderate use. A perfect example is how you believe once a month should be the standard if taking health into consideration, whereas I think once every 2-3 months should be. I'm sure there are people out there that think spacing rolls a week apart is fine, and they're either too lazy to research or they just don't care.
 
i rolled for three months straight every day with the ocasianal day i was waiting to pick up. i took 4-8 pills a night and i can still roll? i personaly dont belive that rolling more than once a month will make the magic dissapear. your tolerance simply raises just like with any other drug. and even if you roll one night you can still roll the next night and the next night and the next night. i have done it many times i just simply need a larger amount than when i first started. saying the magic will dissapear is like saying if you smoke pot more than once a month you wont get high. and we all know that that is not the case. i belive instead of the drug not working its simply the person that has rolled so many times its just not fun any more. i know it seems imposible to not have fun while rolling but thats how i feel about
 
in my opinion taking mdma weekly isnt that bad, altough there are tolerance issues wich i have resolved with piracetam for the time being

saying it turns to a speed like effect is total bullshit, even tough the magic is gone, it still has all the social aspects of it
 
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when I first took a tab it was the best thing ever, the people I did it with told me nothing about it really except that the chance of something going bad on it was very slim. I would of done it every day after that even with the high price if I had access to it, it wasn't so easy to get where I lived though luckily.. that was about 6 years ago, now after researching it ever since then I know better now.. but basically part of it has to be not having respect enough for yourself to research what you exactly it is you are you doing and with friends like I had who didn't tell me anything about it well.., and not everybody even in this day and age has a computer at home or knows how to use a computer, also lack of self control could be a big problem with E (or I suppose any drug) as it would of been with me when I was a teen
just my opinion.. although no one is the same

as far as tolerence alot of people think if you have to take more then 1 or 2 then their tolerence is too high
 
MeDieViL said:
in my opinion taking mdma weekly isnt that bad, altough there are tolerance issues wich i have resolved with piracetam for the time being

saying it turns to a speed like effect is total bullshit, even tough the magic is gone, it still has all the social aspects of it

Its not an opinion that rolling once a week is bad, it is a fact.

If you take MDMA this often, your brain will invariably begin to change. This "tolerance" you sperak of is not psychological. It is a physcial change in your brain that makes the drug work less.

Read up about something called "Serotonin Receptor Down-Regulation"

Your brain maintains a state of normalcy when you are sober, constantly adjusting its receptors and transmitter outputs. Taking drugs disrupts this normalcy. Many drugs mimic, prevent reuptake, and release neurotransmitters, and for the time while it is in your body, your brain is confused and begins trying to compensate for the abundance or lack of certain transmitters.

Downregulation is when the receptors in your brain are sensing that there is too much neurotransmitter activity in the synapse. So naturally, if there are too many transmitters, it compensates by taking away receptors. Once it reaches this normalcy again, it is happy.
Then the drugs wear off.

In the case of ecstasy, serotonin is flooded into the synapse. The brain downregulates serotonin transmitters to compensate for the over-abundance of serotonin. Once the E wears off, and your brain is out of serotonin and has many receptors downregulated, you have only a fraction of the amount of serotonin function that you did before. This is what causes the depression and after-effects.

Your brain, (it is commonly agreed upon) takes a good amount of time(1-3 months) to UP-regulate the transmitters back to normal states, and refill its serotonin supply. This is only from one use of MDMA.

If you do not give your brain a chance to recover to normal states, you will seriously disrupt the functionality of your neuro-transmitter systems. Rolling every week, can and very well may lead to extremely negative consequences. For the time being this cant be proven, but there are stacking amounts of evidence and experiences to suggest that abusing MDMA, and not recovering, lead to many negative consequences, and some can be permanant

So to the OP. I agree, i do not understand. Addiction is a disease, rather it be physical or psychological, it is hard to beat. If you lose self-control and start abusing a substance that changes your brain chemistry so dramatically, it can plummet down and easily cause a user to become dependant.

Stay safe everyone. Sorry this was so long, but i figured i would give my opinions.

<3 :) <3
 
Hmmn, if you ask me it's mostly cuz MDMA does have fairly strong effects on dopamine... in other words, addiction. There aren't many RC's out there at any given time that affect dopamine, except M1 (which we all know is another one that 'loses the magic' fast, yet people get addicted).

IMO it's too bad people don't often know WHY they use a drug, otherwise they'd be much better at buying the "right" substance to meet their needs/desires. Just another example of 'knowledge is power' and lack of = weakness.
 
the why i heavily abused e this summer (3-4 times a weeks...don't worry I really slowed it down): Easy to get pills and i paid them 4,50$ each... add some friends that love to roll as often as 5 times a week , mix it up and u get why i've been such an e-tard for 2 months lol
 
IcarusRisen said:
How does Piracetam help?
i dont know how it works, but i beleive it makes serotonin receptors more sensitive, thus decreasing this part of tolerance, but i noticed it did not bring the sudden rush back, wich i beleive is because of the serotonin depletion part, so i will do some experimenting with 5HTP

@xthunderbirdscx
you are correct, but piracetam takes most of the comedown away, so i'm doing fine, with E i beleive you will just have to lower usuage untill you feel like you aint doing too much
 
Piracetam doesn't affect Serotonin receptor uptake, downregulation, or decrease your tolerance.

There are subjective reports that it makes you roll harder, which could be because (theoretically) it increases oxygen flow in both hemispheres of the brain.
 
Of course I can't. There haven't been any studies on Piracetam's effects on MDMA or any biological system it affects. We're not even sure exactly how it works.

Can you show me some references to the contrary?
 
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