• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe |

Why do people do Salvia if its so spooky?

i smoke plain leaf salvia and have a nice, light trip with a greater appreciation for nature.

the extracts i agree, they suck, make me turn into foreign objects, think i've made myself permenantly insane and such.
 
anyways, i loveit and hate it at the same time, but i was wondering if there were any suggestions on how to make it a good experience, mainly anything i could do to counteract the body high, or subside it maybe?
Old post, but I'll just reiterate for others that using saliva when already on a dissociative does wonders for reducing the uncomfortable body sensations. See my post and jquinn's second post one page back.
 
Now that intrigues me, Psood0nym :)

I have a very fruitful relationship with ketamine (and more recently (and kinda tentatively) with 3-MeO-PCP) but have never even considered combining a dissociative with Salvia. Maybe next time the K-Train rolls into town I may dust off my Salvia samples and reassess. Thanks for the tip :)
 
i have never gotten anything from salvia. i just lose it for about 3 minutes and it feels like an hour. i'm always glad when i get bakc to normal after that short horrible trip. and you get 0 introspect or any lasting personal bennefit from it so wtf do people take it?
 
I mixed LSD and salvia once. It was not nearly as bad as salvia alone. I just stood up after taking a hit and said 'woah', instead of running around crazily looking to escape the high, like I usually do on salvia.

Curiosity.
 
mrjackjones said:
I mixed LSD and salvia once. It was not nearly as bad as salvia alone. I just stood up after taking a hit and said 'woah', instead of running around crazily looking to escape the high, like I usually do on salvia
Is there a reason you think LSD helped? I personally wouldn't trust it to make things less uncomfortable since 5-HT psychedelics usually enhance body sensations and emotions. Clearly it seemed to help you the one time, though.

The reasoning behind combining salvia with dissociatives to reduce the uncomfortable sensations is that dissociatives work in part by blocking major signals from the body. The detachment from emotion they engender helps, too. I've speculated in the past that a lot of the mental content of the salvia trip is informed by salvia-scrambled proprioceptive and kinesthetic signals between the body and brain (the gravity, the being zipped or flattened, etc.). It wouldn't surprise me if radically morphing the sensory field that usually maps so precisely onto our bodies and provides us our sense of orientation could warp notions of identity and place.
 
Check out Kathleen Harrison's(ethnobotanist, Terence Mckenna's wife)take on salvia...she loves it, but says she's probably in the 10% of those who do.She says the godess is a teaching one, etc.Not recreational.

I've not tried, but thought her perspective might help to explain...check her out, as one source.
 
Check out Kathleen Harrison's(ethnobotanist, Terence Mckenna's wife)take on salvia...she loves it, but says she's probably in the 10% of those who do.

Thanks Lanybug. I am in the 10%. ;) I love KH's take on all of it too. Wonderful stuff. I do disagree with only one thing though. That it isn't ritual to smoke it. Or not meant to be smoked. It is now and has made it's way into certain people's ritual. When one group tells another that their method of consumption isn't spiritual. Like quidding leaves verses smoking. To me that argument is like Millbrook verses The Pranksters when it comes to LSD consumption. They were both right but the Millbrook people didn't feet it wasn't spiritual to go around in a bus and turn the public on while the Pranksters thought the sterile environment of Millbrook was limited too. They were both spiritual ways in my opinion. No one stands on such a high ground to say another person's use was incorrect.
 
I personally wouldn't trust it to make things less uncomfortable since 5-HT psychedelics usually enhance body sensations and emotions. Clearly it seemed to help you the one time, though.

IME, Salvia at the end of 2C-B was better than salvia alone. A lot more neat and comprehensible actually.
 
I've never done it myself, and I actually just found out about it recently (thanks googlevideo!), and now after reading this forum about all the weird crap that happens to you why do people do it? Whats your personal reasons for still using it if you've had a bad trip or two?

For me, salvia is a direct line to my spiritual undercurrents, whether they be supernatural or or internal. A trip can take you straight to the truth, and it can make you remember things you would have not have otherwise remembered. It is not predictable in this regard.

It is also a great diversion from reality, as contradictory to my previous statements as that sounds. You become immersed in a new reality, a reality in which your mind sees in the 3rd dimension as never before. A reality in which you also transcend the 3rd dimension, walking between dimensions like turning pages in a book.

Salvia is scary, all right. But what other legal drug can show you so clearly that we are all one individual awareness growing up out of one mind, like mushrooms from mycelium? Or that this dimension is just one of many billions, as real as any other?

Salvia is scary, and there is deception involved, I think. When on salvia, I feel my mind becoming manipulated by entities (elves). You must always watch out for it, be it entities or yourself that is deceiving you.

At the very least, if salvia does not show you reality, then it takes you to a place in your own mind which is very real, since what else is an experience, but a product of your mind?
 
A short story… I drank Salvia tea and laid on the floor. My left side contracted mildy. I reached up to feel the perspiration on my forehead once I was able to coerce my arm into motion. I started to strongly experience the crushing wave and I distinctly remember speaking with a women with dark brown hair, dark brown eyes who seemed happy. I've met her before on Salvia and she did not seem happy.

How do you make/take a Salvia tea? I thought it was only active buccally or smoked..
 
I had a very positive experience with salvia tea, posted this in another thread about it:

Toucan said:
I'd read that salvia just doesn't work when taken orally (only when chewed like a quid) but I figured it was just a question of dosage so I made tea with approx 20g of leaves. It was amazing and completely different to my other experiences - no anxiety or annoyance because I could slowly accept the effects and had 2hour full blown salvia experience with outer body experiences and this strange effect where space didn't follow normal rules - like angles were extended so that I would have to rotate through at least 720 degrees (two complete turns) just to see behind me.
It was a wonderful experience really and I still rate it as one of my favourite trips, although I think at one point I did start crying and saying to myself 'please make this stop' - this was a brief moment of awkward lucidity amongst the incredible out of body visionary madness. At one point I became a key and opened a door out of which a torrent of flowing liquid wood spilled into the universe until everything existed as if it were made out of an enormous flowing wooden block.

One very odd thing I should note however is that my memory of that entire weekend is completely jumbled up, there are a lot of things that I remember doing (both before and after the trip) but can't tell which actually happened and which must have been part of an hallucination during the 2 hour shitstorm (or perhaps even the dreams I had afterwards, which were lucid.) There are a lot of false memories. For instance, I have a very clear memory of going for a drive with my girlfriend to buy fireworks? This makes no sense at all really as neither of us had a car nor any use for fireworks. Very odd.

The tea was made in a cafetiere, with about 3/4 pints hot water and left to steep for 5 minutes. Effects came on after around 20minutes and lasted about two hours.
 
^ Very interesting. Your trip reminds me of aspects of my first Iboga trip - fabricated memories, for example. (Iboga and Salvia share kappa-opioid agonism, so)

Do you think your experience with Salvia tea was more or less spiritually productive than your chewed Salvia experiences? And was your entire weekend really fucked? Do you think you would have wanted a sitter? Perhaps a more guided context/setting for the experience? Would you do it again? What would you do differently?

Thanks for sharing, I am intrigued.
 
Last edited:
I probably will try it again someday, but I wouldn't do anything differently! it was the best and most intense experience I've had on salvia... I don't think I would have wanted a sitter, I generally don't like having a sitter on salvia though I find having someone there intrudes on the experience and I've always found myself stuck to the spot when fully under the effects so blacking out and hurting myself isn't too much of a worry.
The weekend wasn't completely fucked at the time, I think I had a normal weekend but reflecting back on it a few weeks after the trip I realised my memories of that weekend were pretty skewed - I think most of the false memories are lucid dreams from the night I took it.
I should note that at that time (quite a few years ago) I had been taking salvia semi-regularly, so sensitisation might have allowed me to have such an intense experience on tea.
edit: certainly more visionary than chewed, but that amount of leaf wouldn't be possible to chew
also, downsides are the tea is very very very bitter. and gave me a some GI upset on the onset
 
Last edited:
Hmm, the taste of Salvia doesn't really bother me, though. It's just kinda leafy. Did you try to flavor the tea with anything? Maybe peppermint would be a nice addition. Maybe ginger, too, to cut any nausea. And maybe doing it on an empty stomach would help.

I think I may have to try this.
 
Mentally and visually it's kind of fun. I just CANNOT STAND the body load, I feel as if if I'm pierced from head to toe with cold needles, and in my mind during the trip that feeling is the process of melding with whatever surface is around me. NOTHING is soft or comfortable, while I don't have bad trip, it's definitely this mental thought of "*sigh* why did i just do this, this is not fun, can we be done now?".

It's fun like once for a laugh with some buddies, but psychedelically there isn't much introspection or any sort of enlightenment and the high isn't anything you'd go for just for "fun" or "pleasure" I'd ever imagine.
 
Apparently it affects people differently.
Every time I did it, I felt like I'd been in a traumatic accident and was just coming to, or was smeared infinitely across Hell in a manner most unpleasant, or being slowly devoured by a huge, malicious, tarbaby alien entity that was the width of the / devouring the universe. Horrible, horrible times. Like a trauma.
 
To state that Salvia may, at her own discretion, come upon you in the most terrifying and perfectly sanity obliterating means of manifestation, is an understatement of the most grotesque order. Before you smoke that extract, that leaf, you must be quite sure that you are ready to face a fear and a horror that is without equal in all the realms of all the psychedelic, and otherwise, experiences. But yes, there is a payoff. If you are one such as who can integrate cohesively such profound and truly existential fear, then you shall reside amongst the very few living, human souls who do truly comprehend the nature of their own consciousness and its relation to the horrible abyss of its reality, the truth about the nature of the mind, and its all too finite extensions.

Wow, it's like Arthur Machen or Clark Ashton Smith has made account on bluelight and started posting in PD. Post more, you're either a very good parodist or you really talk like that. Either way, I love it!

One day I think I will visit that batshit-sounding salvia-space you're all talking about. It sounds completely terrifying but just too intriguing to ignore.
 
I found low dose salvia to work great as an anti-depressant. Usually, after salvia, I'm in a good mood for a week.
 
Top