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Why do folks treat DXM as a trip?

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I recently took some DXM with my sister (roughly 200-240mg, five 30mg tabs initial, and the rest spread out throughout). I had no nausea, no hallucinations (i don't have any enzyme deficiencies i can think of), no weird thoughts (no thoughts at all, i loved that, i am always thinking, i'm very introverted), it was just a great drug. I dont understand how set and setting can affect this drug?

For me, when i'm on this drug i feel like how i think normal people feel or act. Or should i say, i feel like everything i'm doing is normal (in private and public). This was VERY appealing to me considering my social anxiety. It seems like more of a weird "feel-good" drug instead of a psychedelic of any sort.
And besides, it's a dissociative, how do dissociatives have any relation to your set and setting as compared to hallucinogens?

thanks for any info.

to mods: I've already checked the Big n dandy DXM thread. please don't lock.
 
Well, usually a higher dose is needed for full-on "trip." I always thought of it as an either "fun" or "dirty" high depending on my setting, until I had around 800mg. That trip was mostly in my head (closed eyes the whole time), but I experienced the closest to "evolution" that I have on any drug.

My visuals usually morph from the natural CEVs I get when I'm really tired, so they usually have that purple color that light has filtered through your eyelids - just in different shades. This time I saw those shades as separate blue and red pinpoints at the beginning, with an almost green hemisphere at the bottom (likely my eyes were slightly open and this was my laptops background) - long story short, I blasted off into what I later realized was a universe made based on everything I love. I saw VF-1 fighters from Macross fly around, found myself in a surprisingly cheerful ghetto when I was momentarily scared about ruining my brain, etc. The "evolution" came in my slowly learning (it was fuckin' hard!) to add new colors, actually choose my scenery, to view my body laying down in my room from a 3rd person view and even rotate around it seeing everything as reals as if my eyes were open.

Eyes open I've never really "tripped." DXM was my first drug experience and made me think TV was way off, since all my friends and I did was use the different vantage point to just have a mature discussion. Until one took too high a redose, lost his short-term memory saw a world so cartoony that he thinks Sarah Silverman's depiction was pretty spot-on.

Sorry for ramblin, it's like 4:30AM here.

Edit: I'd recommend around 500mg for your next try. And I'll add that dxm was the only drug that consistently allowed me to feel really relaxed and content while having a particularly rough time at a certain place I was stuck at for quite some time. With weed alone, I would previously often be anxious just knowing I was rooming with someone I absolutely hated for 2/3 of a year. It wasn't just the dissociation (I could occasionally open my eyes and he'd be there and I'd not care), but I felt like I could just tell myself things like "If no one's smelled the bud and told on me yet, they're likely not to" and know and believe it and avoid paranoia even days later. Maybe that's the "metaprogramming" that I hear is easier on dissociatives or the anxiolytic glow I'll usually get after.
 
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sarsXdave said:
Well, usually a higher dose is needed for full-on "trip." I always thought of it as an either "fun" or "dirty" high depending on my setting, until I had around 800mg. That trip was mostly in my head (closed eyes the whole time), but I experienced the closest to "evolution" that I have on any drug.

My visuals usually morph from the natural CEVs I get when I'm really tired, so they usually have that purple color that light has filtered through your eyelids - just in different shades. This time I saw those shades as separate blue and red pinpoints at the beginning, with an almost green hemisphere at the bottom (likely my eyes were slightly open and this was my laptops background) - long story short, I blasted off into what I later realized was a universe made based on everything I love. I saw VF-1 fighters from Macross fly around, found myself in a surprisingly cheerful ghetto when I was momentarily scared about ruining my brain, etc. The "evolution" came in my slowly learning (it was fuckin' hard!) to add new colors, actually choose my scenery, to view my body laying down in my room from a 3rd person view and even rotate around it seeing everything as reals as if my eyes were open.

Eyes open I've never really "tripped." DXM was my first drug experience and made me think TV was way off, since all my friends and I did was use the different vantage point to just have a mature discussion. Until one took too high a redose, lost his short-term memory saw a world so cartoony that he thinks Sarah Silverman's depiction was pretty spot-on.

Sorry for ramblin, it's like 4:30AM here.

Edit: I'd recommend around 500mg for your next try.
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As he said, You'll need a good dose to trip, but dxm is actually very weight dependant, so you might wanna google up a dxm calculator, and try to determine a good amount of dxm for you to ingest, I'd reccomend somewhere along the 3rd of 4th plateau for an actual trip.
 
Did your sister experience a dissociative psychedelic effect? I ask because she might be smaller and hence have taken a higher mg/kg dose. Ask her about what she felt. Obviously, it sounds like you hit a 'second plateau' dose, so you'll have to take more to break through to a NMDA-receptor antagonist "hole" effect. Also, dextromethorphan is very dependent upon pharmacokinetics. The magnitude of the initial dose wholly determines the 'trip level,' redosing during the experience does not intensify the trip, it just prolongs the effects, so you really took a 150mg dose with a couple of boosters. NMDA receptors become desensitized quickly after the application of DXM, so you need to take the entire dose at once in order to go deeper.

However, usually it takes less dextromethorphan to achieve a breakthrough the first few times you do it. For example, I weigh about 80kg and surprisingly it only took 350mg to send me into orbit my first time. Ah memories...good times. Wait a couple of weeks and try again if you so desire.
 
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Cface said:
I recently took some DXM with my sister (roughly 200-240mg, five 30mg tabs initial, and the rest spread out throughout). I had no nausea, no hallucinations (i don't have any enzyme deficiencies i can think of), no weird thoughts (no thoughts at all, i loved that, i am always thinking, i'm very introverted), it was just a great drug. I dont understand how set and setting can affect this drug?

For me, when i'm on this drug i feel like how i think normal people feel or act. Or should i say, i feel like everything i'm doing is normal (in private and public). This was VERY appealing to me considering my social anxiety. It seems like more of a weird "feel-good" drug instead of a psychedelic of any sort.
And besides, it's a dissociative, how do dissociatives have any relation to your set and setting as compared to hallucinogens?

thanks for any info.

to mods: I've already checked the Big n dandy DXM thread. please don't lock.
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240mg? Thats at the low end of the spectrum. Its just like when you take a very low dose or mushrooms or lsd you arent going to trip nuts...
 
Like everyone else said...higher dose. There are different 'plateaus' that are quite distinctly different in how they effect you as you move up in dose. It is definitely deserving of the title as a Trip at the 3rd plateau doses and up.
 
You never really hallucinate; high doses will mess up your binocular vision and ability to determine distances, so that can make things look really trippy until you get used to doing all that with one eye and cues based on lighting and shadows.

If you do a 3rd plateau dose, try running a faucet or taking a shower on the comedown (or peak, if you're confident you won't drown). The audio flanging makes it quite interesting.

I've had plenty of success with booster doses making the trip more intense, or smaller doses just to prolong it. For best results, though, dose all at once. Spacing your doses out will produce a different high or trip then dosing all at once (its suppose to affect the ratio of DXM to DXO). IMO, dosing all at once creates much more dissocation and euphoria.

Anyways, about set and setting... Definitely an important part of high doses. You need somewhere you can vegetate for a few hours. For low doses, it's just fun.

I wouldn't reccomend a 4th plateau trip. It's basically just falling into a coma. Pure blackout vegetable time. My magic dose is 12 mg/kg all eaten within a span of 10 minutes. Turn on my music, sit or lay down, and just close my eyes.

I find it takes away your humanity. It frees your thoughts from what society has imprinted on you: you no longer see good and evil, sin and charity... You can view the universe and yourself with total objectivity, and really get to the true, root cause or motivation for every thought and action you have done or witnessed.

Anyways, DXM is definitely a trip at high doses. If you do decide to pursue higher doses, you will trip. Just remember to close your eyes; it really is key!
 
I really enjoyed the dose i was on. It wasnt so intense that i had to be by myself like on hallucinogens. Sure i was stumblin around like a fool when i walked, but it was fun. I'm not really looking for something that brings me into any kind of journey of any sort, but rather something to just relax, roll around on the floor, and have a bit of fun. The dose was great and easy-going, no worries. I think if i went past the 2nd plateau it'd make me too panicy, i'd be worrying about my breathing and such.

But does anyone have any experience with DXM and shrooms or some other kind of hallucinogen? How is it?
 
Although I've had no experience with the 3rd or 4th plateau doses of DXM, there are more than enough reports detailing DXM use that definitely confirm that 'DXM as a trip' is possible.

It's clear from your post that you aren't familiar with dissociation. Like many ketamine users, I have learned over time that tranquility and lack of interruption are the key to total dissociation and ultimately ego loss.

Many DXM reports state the same or report significant levels of dissociation

Try a larger dose and find somewhere comfortable to take it - preferably with a trip sitter who isn't dosing (its fine if they have a couple of drinks or smoke a joint but it's important they are sober enough to act responsibly if you cease to recognise the location you are in or the significant dangers connected to many items within a house).

Lie down on a bed or mattress (on the floor) and select a few tracks that are 'more than pieces of music to you' or tick the box in 'other-worldy' terms.

Depending on the dose and your ease of entering a relaxed state, you may understand dissociation (the word trip is totally insufficient in trying to descrive this process). In addition, you will then go through synchronisation (i.e. re-association of your mind/body). Both of these process will leave you in no doubt that DXM is a trip, I'm almost sure.

Dissociative, at low levels (i.e. your current doses), can initially create an extreme sense of empathy with those around you. At higher, dissociative doses, they will shift what you think of as your 'consciousness' and lead you to empathise with the ebb and flow of everything and anything.

Cface said:
I'm not really looking for something that brings me into any kind of journey of any sort, but rather something to just relax, roll around on the floor, and have a bit of fun. The dose was great and easy-going, no worries. I think if i went past the 2nd plateau it'd make me too panicy, i'd be worrying about my breathing and such.

But does anyone have any experience with DXM and shrooms or some other kind of hallucinogen? How is it?
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Sorry - I didn't pay enough attention to this part of your post. I guess you don't want to go past the 2ng plateau. However, if you're willing to combine DXM and shrooms, you may want to consider trying one upper 3rd plateau trip.

Remember - you sound like a trip sitter would be a good idea, and your trip sitter should be informed on seemingly disturbing behaviour or comments made whilst you are entering the dissociative state. During dissociation, time dilate can make 40 minutes seem like 40 years - in extreme cases it can illustrate theories regarding the creation of the universe so we're talking about 6 billion plus years here!

I'd imagine that given the dose required for a 3rd plateau experience, you could take some time to sync body and mind together. I thought I had a handle on this process until last night when it took 2+ hours to convince myself I wasn't going to suffer from permanent brain damage!

so...good luck!
 
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I've actually had some really fun trips on 15 gel caps alone (15mg). Lots of fun closed eye visuals. High doses like 550-650 are where it gets really 'trippy'. Out of body experiences and highly dissociative. I was watching Disturbia with a friend while on that dose and we felt like we were interacting with characters in the movie. When i closed my eyes, i felt my mind float on to the ceiling and view my body from that position. We walked out in the rain, needless to say my buddy was tripping mad face, he could hardly walk.

It was an epic night.
 
Once on 300mg I smoked a large bowl of green right before the peak. Well let me tell you whenever I closed my eyes I saw WORLDS and I remember I was exploring around one it was very detailed and it had a vast large Orange sky and it had these crazy spiraling plants then shot up out of the ground it was the most realistic CEV's I've ever had on anything.
 
For me, there will be visual patterning (often mild) and warping and altered abstract thought, even at relatively low doses. Thus, psychedelia.

I would say that the patterns and thinking are more "messy", grey, and dead than the 5ht psychedelics, and to a lesser extent cannabis.

I don't like dissociatives anymore. Not fun.

ebola
 
it's not the type of trip like an acid/tryptamine/mescaline would produce. I mean as far as open eye-concious visuals things may look really cool(colors are different)but in milligrams u took, I would barely even be able to suppress a cough! I usually take around 1gram. U wont see fractals or patterns really, but what u will see can blow away anything a acid can produce. You can litterally fly around alien worlds. It's like VR but better. U can get open eye visuals too. I've sat on the beach and after it kicked in I started floating over the water. It can either take bits of things ur looking at and create a whole new reality out of them, or just create everthing from scratch. Dissociatives are pretty amazing, but be carefull.
 
I would just like to say that 708mg of DXM + Shpongle's Nothing Lasts... But Nothing is Lost is pretty out of this world. Once I closed my eyes I fell in to the music, feeling it with every inch of my skin. Is pretty awesome...
 
it's been a couple of years since i've taken any DXM,

though i remember definitely getting OEVs on my ~450-500mg experiences.
not like traditional psychedelics with warping and designs, but very dream-like and almost startlingly intense oevs.

i definitely had a lot of double visions on the come-ups and a 'distanced' binocular type of effect others mentioned.
but i remember seeing this giant wave, which took up like 1/3 of my visual field shoot by in front of me one time, which looked as though it was only a few feet in front of my eyes (as one example).

sitting in a dimmed lighting room, i had ridiculously intense visuals. but i suppose once you start taking away the light the OE world becomes the CE world. i remember seeing a floating skeleton with a robe on and a crazy goat-head, and other visuals which looked solidly real. i was never scared seeing weird shit like demon-skeletons, just interested.

with eyes closed, i would instantly be engulfed into a dream-sequence. as if one walked into a movie mid-plot. i remember laying there and acknowledging partially that i was drifting into dream trance, and i remember thinking on multiple occassions that i was almost definitely falling asleep, due to the complete captivation, realism, and progression of the visions, but sure enough within a minute or two, i would always shoot back into my conscious perspective and either open my eyes or at least acknowledge that i had eyes :)

looking back though, my DXM experiences tend to have a 'dark' feel to them. while seeing skeletons may have contributed, it was more of a dark feel to the mindset. seems almost reminiscent of what death would be like....who knows though, i was younger then.
 
Thanks for all your posts and comments guys.

How does ketamine compare to DXM? I know they're both dissociatives but how do they compare in mindset, body feeling, etc.? Does it have that absent-minded feeling? Does it feel like your limbs are on hinges? How about OEVs and CEVs? Does it have that "out of focus" kind of lens with your eyes?

Have any of you stopped breathing whilst on DXM? I really worry about those kinds of things with any psychedelics because i have a history of sleep apnea (sp), not to mention a very deviated septum. That's why i don't like to experience ego loss/death of any sort, i'm not afraid i won't come back, im just afraid i'll stop breathing.
 
I recall during my DXM days that once I would reach the third plateau everything would look unreal, fake, artificial, like a degraded movie at times. Used to love looking at the sky, clouds, sunset, etc. Things would get choppy and delayed as well. Often I wasn't even myself, I was just watching a movie of myself do stuff. The fun and magic of DXM land got less and less with near constant use of the stuff.

Sometimes on high enough doses I would be looking through a portal out into the world. Very strange. Eyes closed I would often feel like I was falling or spinning or being swung on a pendulum.

Weed enhances the vision strobe/choppy effect.

Spacing out dosages would make make everything seem VERY fake. Like a very bad movie. Colors would be off, textures wrong, things would shift from 2d back to 3d again. So plastic and alien. My thoughts would seem clearer but the experience would be so much more foreign.

heavy doses would impair my memory but I do recall CEV's.

most fun recreational is second plateau with some weed and some good music. We used to love to go to Qzar (lazer tag arena) on this shit. This was in highschool.
 
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