Why do dissociatives appeal to you?

[Aetherius Rimor]

It's almost seems like a contradiction to me, on why I enjoy dissociatives considering the reason I enjoy classic psychedelics. It feels almost like they have the opposite effect of psychedelics. Classic psychedelics seem to give the vision/feeling that everything is connected, everything is a part of everything else.

When I'm using dissociatives at a sufficient dose however, it gives me the feeling that nothing else exists except whatever room I'm currently in, or if even higher, only that I exist.

At their depths, the feeling is almost a somber. So few thoughts cross the mind, but when they do, they're (whatever the thoughts the only

However through experiencing these perceptions, and coming out of them, I have almost an overwhelming since of humility (in the humble sense).

Of course the perception that nothing else exists does give me a very powerful anti-anxiety effect and I understand that as one of the desires. However other than psychedelics, only dissociatives experiences have been able to give me the "spiritual" experiences I seek.

What are your reasons? What do they do for you, that make you desire the experience? I know why I do... curious what other people's reasons are.

 

[thevines2]

ketamine is like the ultimate opiate for me.

i dont know if other people feel that way

but just numbly euphoric, blissful and stimulating to me

i will generally mix it with oxymorphone all nasal ROA

the combo is more euphoric than anything ive ever experienced

 

[DrugMistress]

Dissociatives are a psychedelic experience for me. Especially ketamine.

Traditional psychs have always given me a feeling of wanting to experience the world and new things. Dissociatives are like a more pessimistic version. While on Dissociatives I experience the adventure aspect of a psychedelic, however it is the strange realism of them that I enjoy.

I'm writing this mostly based around ketamine and MXE.

 

[eukaryote]

ketamine is like the ultimate opiate for me.

i dont know if other people feel that way

but just numbly euphoric, blissful and stimulating to me

i will generally mix it with oxymorphone all nasal ROA

the combo is more euphoric than anything ive ever experienced

Basically, this. I find it so peaceful and calm and euphoric. When mixed with an opiate or sedative/hyponotic, it is the most warm, safe, blissful feeling in the world to me. [Aside from being kissed by rangrz]

 

[Help?!?!]

IF you explore the outer than you must also explore the inner.

 

[knock]

My dissociative experience is limited to Ketamine, MXE, Nitrous, 3-MeO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCE, 3-MeO-PCPy and 3-MeO-PCPr. And Salvia if you want to call that a dissociative. But I've only reached truly dissociative states with Ket, MXE and Nitrous (and Salvia).

When I'm using dissociatives at a sufficient dose however, it gives me the feeling that nothing else exists except whatever room I'm currently in, or if even higher, only that I exist.

I get this a bit with Ketamine but NOT with MXE or Nitrous. With MXE it's the opposite, "we are all one" becomes a painful yet exhilarating reality for me on MXE. More so than on any other drug I have taken. For me, MXE is THE hippy drug. Tryptamines & acid are prettier, sure, but never seemed as deep as this.

 

[Aetherius Rimor]

For me, MXE is THE hippy drug. Tryptamines & acid are prettier, sure, but never seemed as deep as this.

Hah, I compared a high dose of MXE in an experience report I wrote to be almost like a combination of K, Shrooms and LSD. MXE at around 100mg gives me all the effects of K + Shroom like CEVs + LSD's "weird reality" feeling (that feeling of everything seeming demented).

 

[fridgebuzz]

Unique perspectives not easily attained. Disassociates are hard work and will leave the user gratified after it wears off. Disassociatives and creativity go hand in hand. The ability to look at a scenario from a detached vantage point enables me to think more lucidly about it.

 

[Jinux]

I've tried both Ketamine and MXE and I have to say in both cases that it's the body loss I love the most. It's not so much of a (depsite the name) disassociation, it's more of a detachment. I get amazing head room to think. The world melts away and I am above everything. Still physically aware of myself and surroundings but not mentally feeling the input of things like touch, sight etc.

The one thing that does get through though, is music. Music sounds amazing on MXE in a way I've not found even with tryptamines. It hits me in a much deeper place, a more...philosophical root.

 

[lolusername]

To me the appeal of dissociatives is that they have both psychedelic effects on me mentally, but they are also a much more care-free, intoxicating drug, all in the same package.
The feeling of disconnection from the outside world is nice, too.

 

[Darksidesam]

Being someone who has tried Ketamine, Methoxetamine and DXM all i can say is,
I enjoy using dissociatives because personally i dont think the real world is too fun or too pleasant.

Its nice to have a short holiday from real life existence every now and then.

 

[Limitbreaker]

Being someone who has tried Ketamine, Methoxetamine and DXM all i can say is,
I enjoy using dissociatives because personally i dont think the real world is too fun or too pleasant.

Its nice to have a short holiday from real life existence every now and then.

Well said. I miss my dissociative use. I felt happier back then.

 

[Psylex]

Yeah, darksidedsam, Dissociatives offer you a nice holiday trip when your current ordinary real life sucks at that moment.
When it comes to psychedelics (shrooms, lsd..) i need a big dose or i'll just have nothing except these small CEVs if i focus hard... on the contrary dissociatives always make me blast off in outer (inner?) space.

Personally i'm a medium DXM gamer (plateau 3), combined with ganja you can add to your experience a great euphoria... it's so perfect to explore your subcouscious with it and the fabrics of your inner self and mind, lucid dreaming can be a part of it too

Loving dxm, i so wanna try ketamine to compare both dissociatives ! But i guess K might be a lot nicer, because dxm isn't for everyone hah

 

[azgaza]

I wrote a short sum up of why I love ketamine in dutch once while under the influence of ketamine; I looked up this writing and translated it and it's something like this:

Wandering somewhere in between time and space, not knowing the difference between sound and flesh, time and matter, direction and identity...

I love the loose and weird associations, the randomness in the thought patterns; the physical buzzing sensation which seems present equally in all senses, especially touch sight and sound, how you see double and sharp at the same timing so looking in the mirror at a four eyed you of which all four eyes look equally realistic. The feeling of floating around and the surreal landscapes and imagery that accompanies that feeling; being foulded double then falling apart in 5 different all impossible directions that are also paradoxal to eachother yet finding this all most comfortable.

Then there's the many sensations on nitrous and the idiotic world one enters when combining these dissociatives with decent doses of LSD; having reality turned inside out, upside down etc.

I once had this utopia I thought up while on a decent dose of ketamine while dancing in front of a wall of subwoofers; the idea was basically that one would be K-hole in the middle of a square room of which áll the walls are subwoofers firing exactely so much bass that the person will be floating in the middle of the room; there the combined buzzing sensation of the dissociative and the bass would make loose all the atoms causing them to go in a state of ultimate freedom where they reform according only to the will of the conciousness of which the matter is a part. Makes no sense really, but it was a nice and dreamy thought that is typical for a thought on dissociatives for me.

I like the plunge in your subconciousness; the random old memories, very unlinear thinking, extremely loose associations, distortion of the senses.. the influence they can have on creativity through the loose associations; all the stuff I thought of indifferent trips and the wild insanity I have encountered when combining LSD with nitrous (and ketamine with DMT).

I could go on for a really long time about my appreciation for ketamine; it is really quite high. I love the drug and if LSD and DMT wouldn't have exited it would surely be my favorite thing ever.

 

[Darksidesam]

Loving dxm, i so wanna try ketamine to compare both dissociatives ! But i guess K might be a lot nicer, because dxm isn't for everyone hah

My response... : http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...Time-Dissociative-Sensations-amp-Aftereffects

Lol

 

[Psylex]

Quickly went through your thoughts about dxm, 800 mg is pretty huge for a 1st time lol, even when you're a long way behind the lethal dose, it still can screw you up but only for a few days though. I guess (theoretically) that a few days is enough for a gap between dxm and mdma.

But yerh, i don't take dxm without weed, because it's so blissful and it takes nearly all of the possible anxiety away, both molecules seem to connect very well. Especially when you smoke a blunt the day after your trip : it makes a nice smooth comeback.

 

[itsok]

I love dissociatives bc they help get rid of my physical addiction to benzos and opiates. Also I find them very spiritual and more psychedelic than psychedelics. On MXE I dont have any bad thoughts or thoughts at all. I have experienced synthesasia (where I see music in colors and pictures) and do weird chanting and poses that seem helpful to my body.

It does heavily intoxicate me and anyone who saw me would know that Im really fucked up on something. Like I won't know who I am or my friends or family are or where I am. Lol! Often if I do too much I cannot remember what happened, at least not the entire trip.

I love the sliding down the tube and touching and seeing things/textures I never thought were possible. And seeing objects come to life. And almost seems like Im traveling through different realities, like hovering over a war zone in the middle east to an outer space journey.

I've used nitrous, 4meoPCP, Ketamine, and MXE, salvia, and DXM (but DXM made me too nauseous so I cant get a pleasant experience from it.

 

[Jinux]

..and do weird chanting and poses that seem helpful to my body.

This.

Worded so excellently, +1

 

[wayab]

Also I find them very spiritual and more psychedelic than psychedelics. On MXE I dont have any bad thoughts or thoughts at all.

i would say so too. dissociatives and ketamine most of all are soul manifesting to the last bit. dissociative stands for the diffrent way of action in the brain, don't you think ?

 

[Issac Sinclair]

It offers me psychedelic thought, but with addiction.

I can't binge on psychedelics. I really don't want to take it every day.
Dissociatives give me a body high, and also make me feel thoughtful. I always say back pain back pain when i take it, but there is something special about it.