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Why did PMA never take off but GHB has??

Psychadelic_Paisly

Psychadelic_Paisly

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Hey, I just had a thought jump into my head, and I got wondering why in the 1970's PMA never really took off. Doing some reading it seems to me that it was the fact that, like GHB it has a very rapid OD curve. And well... question is that i put forward is that we all know GHB has a rapid OD onset as well... just that little bit over...

So yeah, why the hell have people taken to GHB like it's God's own sweat but people were clever enough to stay the hell away from PMA???
 
Well the feeling of PMA (for most?) is supposed to be an uncomfortable nausea feeling and generally overheating 'all round' at recreational levels according to reports from previous PMA threads in here (like 2-4 years ago). If no one is able to dig any up, I'll do some searching when I'm not so busy at work
 
Because PMA is a analogue of some better, safer psychedelic substances. GHB is a completely different class of drug.
 
I know I am off tracked here, but what about PCP? I have heard heaps of tales from USA, but not a single whisper about PCP in Australia, as I have never heard or seen this product.
 
PCP is analogous of Ketamine (correct me if i'm wrong).
PCP is a dissociative and was used before Ketamine was... it obviously had undesirable effects...
 
Yah PCP is a dissociative anaethetic, it used to be called "Sernyl" but they took it off the market because people found it to be unpleasantly psychadelic. It doesn't seem like a very pleasant drug, read a few trip reports and look over the history of it at Erowid.

Anyway back on topic;

PMA sucks. The best you get out of it are a few minor visuals and a stimulant effect. Other than that it's all increased blood pressure/pulse, nausea, muscle tension and I seem to recall people reporting having trouble breathing (or at least feeling like they were). I'm not suprised it never really took off, and I don't think it ever will.

GHB produces that lovely feeling of intoxication without the unpleasant side effects of drinking alcohol and (overdose issues aside) it's rather harmless because it's metabolised into water and carbon dioxide. It gets you feeling sociable and relaxed. And of course GHB is great for sleep and sex.

Both have their risks, but which is more worthwhile?

:)
 
if u OD on PMA isnt there a good chance of dieing? compared to if u OD on GHB u just go into a deep sleep like state?
 
^^^ see... that's the answer i WASN'T looking for.... PMA has it's positives, although not that many. I know of a few on BL who sweared by it... rest their souls... But GHB has just as much potential to be fatal.. sure it might be more enjoyable... but there's other stuff out there just as enjoyable that won;t leave you fitting on your deathbed while your friends freak the fuck out....

*i don't get it*...
 
i dislike PMA. strongly. it left me with nothing but bad semi-memories and scars. nasty, nasty, nasty.

ultimately, there will be some people for whom PMA is THE DRUG. for the vast majority of people i know who've tried it - including me & the 8 people i did it with - it left us, to paraphrase tool, 'cold and ugly'.
 
I wonder what the user/death ratio is for PMA and GHB, I would guess that PMA ingestion has a far greater chance of leading to death that GHB. There would be far more people that have ingested GHB than PMA and the number of occasions of such ingestions would be far greater again for GHB. I bet no one ticks the PMA entry on those National Drug Reporting questionairs and answers '3 times a month'
 
while on the topic of G, i was at a club 2nite and a girl asked if i had a coffee plunger 4 G, never heard of that before anyone know how it works?
 
ummm....and let me remind ppl, OD'ing on G doesnt put you in a deep sleep like state...that only happens after you start convulsing, throwing up and looking like some dying animal.
that deep sleep like state is also known as a coma, which you're not likely to come out of.

meh

as for PMA i dont know much about it. it doesnt sound nice. and PCP makes you do crazy things like tear out your eyes. i've been around one person who was on it (in tasmania of all places). he was very loud and obnoxious. i heard later on that he was tearing up grass from somewhere (and he was never in a place where there was grass)
 
^^ im aware that u can fall into a coma, but i was always under the impression that a coma was only from a large overdose?

on another note, how many people actually die from taking PMA willfully ? id imagine most people die from PMA because they think they are taking MDMA (double dropping etc)
 
melburn_madness said:
while on the topic of G, i was at a club 2nite and a girl asked if i had a coffee plunger 4 G, never heard of that before anyone know how it works?
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You sure she wasnt just after a normal plunger to measure out some g that she had?
 
Witch Doctor said:
^^ im aware that u can fall into a coma, but i was always under the impression that a coma was only from a large overdose?

on another note, how many people actually die from taking PMA willfully ? id imagine most people die from PMA because they think they are taking MDMA (double dropping etc)
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Ian hard's death
 
Not disputing the argument for each drugs pleasant effects governing popularity, I think it also has to do with how each is made or how easily each was/ is available. The marketing which led GHB to be introduced as a health supplement saw it's intital use start outside a recreational setting.

PMA on the other hand is an amphetamine which recieved bad reports almost as soon as it was first used. As mentioned, other -better - ring substituted amphetamines were around and all legal.

So in contrast to globally aware GHB users, PMA never really got off the ground in the same way.
 
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