Why aren't pharm companies looking here?

[Mr Blonde]

Lol at that Ham-milton, Narutokun argument...I had no idea wtf Naru was going on about...

Anyway, on topic...

I agree a lot of it has to do with image...I doubt many pharmaceutical companies want to be known as asking drug users for 'advice' on new, possibly recreational chemicals. A pity though, as Ham is damn right, there is a hell of a lot of VERY intelligent discussion that goes on here.

But, a lot of the discussion here is related to discussion of recreational chemicals, which the pharmaceutical companies probably aren't as interested in. I guess you could see this place as a recruiting ground, but I guess Big Pharma doesn't have to trawl around internet boards looking for scientists with the money they make

 

[otb01]

Well, who said they would need to give us credit. Many companies steal ideas from the public domain. My point is that the fact that they don't even look here is miraculous. Also, you know, many of the recreational chemicals could end up being superdrugs, not rec drugs.

 

[Ham-milton]

But, a lot of the discussion here is related to discussion of recreational chemicals, which the pharmaceutical companies probably aren't as interested in. I guess you could see this place as a recruiting ground, but I guess Big Pharma doesn't have to trawl around internet boards looking for scientists with the money they make

Just because our interest in them is recreational doesn't mean that they don't have legitimate uses. It wasn't that long ago that we went through every drug in Schedule I to find some without a legitimate use. We only found one- and that was used in chemical warfare but for some reason got added to the CSA instead of a more appropriate place.

Heroin, PCP, Methcathinone, Methaqualone- they all have legitimate uses in medicine. They've just been prohibited because of how much abuse there was.

Oh wait, PCP is CII isn't it? Well, then PCPy then.

 

[narutokun]

Lol at that Ham-milton, Narutokun argument...I had no idea wtf Naru was going on about...

Yeah I've come to notice that really most people don't, I'm changing my way of thinking lately.

 

[otb01]

Ok, I would just like to let you know how much of a pretentious elitist you sound like now. Just a note.

 

[johanneschimpo]

I think that statement was meant in a positive, non-elitist manner.

(i only add this additional off topic post because this thread has already taken a massive shit)

Now:

Anyways, back on topic?

 

[Mr Blonde]

Anyways, back on topic?

Definitely!

Just because our interest in them is recreational doesn't mean that they don't have legitimate uses. It wasn't that long ago that we went through every drug in Schedule I to find some without a legitimate use. We only found one- and that was used in chemical warfare but for some reason got added to the CSA instead of a more appropriate place.

Yeah, that is so true...but aren't we talking about the masturbatory chemicals threads in particular? I don't know much about how they develop superdrugs for curing diseases and conditions, but I'm guessing that when they are trying, they are looking at what causes the disease and then what drugs/chemical combinations can be used to prevent that.

And straight away a lot of the recreational drugs would be off the list because either they already have well known medical uses and are just blacklisted (as in the case of the S1 substances), or it's probably just hard to make a leap between a theoretical psychedelic/dopaminergenic/serotonergenic drug and curing other conditions. Quite possibly some psychological conditions, but then again we know LSD has been (and SHOULD be) used for theraeutic resons. Ditto for MDMA, and a variety of others.

But, I'll be the first to admit I'm only just starting to tread the waters when it comes to these sort of things. Hopefully in a while I'll be up there with the pros

What kind of conditions are we talking about, that a theoretical 'superdrug' would be able to cure?

 

[Ham-milton]

'cure' may be a little much, but think about all the gaba-ergics that'd be great for anxiety, the dopaminergics that's be great for ADD, weight loss and others

 

[Refluxer]

*drinks some ale* Actually, many threads in ADD is rubbish. The most valuable threads are the ones that contain information on "human trials". Also, many subjects discussed in ADD has their origin in academic or industrial research papers.

 

[otb01]

Yeah, that is so true...but aren't we talking about the masturbatory chemicals threads in particular?

Of course not. They are just a good example.

'cure' may be a little much, but think about all the gaba-ergics that'd be great for anxiety, the dopaminergics that's be great for ADD, weight loss and others

Exactly.

*drinks some ale* Actually, many threads in ADD is rubbish. The most valuable threads are the ones that contain information on "human trials". Also, many subjects discussed in ADD has their origin in academic or industrial research papers.

Well, although many are rubbish, plenty of great ideas come out of it. But also the human trials thing is really less reliable (ex: the whole pharaohfenantyl "scandal")

 

[Bolus]

Probably because we have no original research, i.e., we have nothing they couldn't have extrapolated themselves.

That's generally true, but I'm quite sure there's data people have that they simply choose not to post on public forums.

I think there's several reasons for this:

• The research wasn't authorized by the agency who's resources were used to collect the data
• Even if personally owned resources were used, the research involved the handling of scheduled compounds, and it would be foolish to document their possession on a public forum.
• The research hasn't been published yet...even if the above two issues weren't an issue...i.e., authorized research in a licensed setting.

and last but not least....

• The quality of feedback to such posts on forums such as this is generally poor, as we're playing a game of oneupmanship rather than selfless discussion of science.

The norm is to simply parrot back information and conjecture about things, and the posters who might have something original to report simply get bored and leave.

 

[fastandbulbous]

A lot of what gets posted here is based on research that's already been carried out, so they go to the source rather than look at the ramblings of filthy druggies. Possibly the only novel stuff appearing here is in regard to psychedelics and pharmaceutical firms have no interest in such things


And yes, this flu is the pits!