Why are out-presses a no no?

[sir_thizzalot]

The point is that while this may be true currently in your tiny part of the world, there is no guarantee that it will be true tomorrow or the next day.

I wouldn't call all the United States my tiny part of the world, especially in E, I bet more E is taken in this country than anywhere else.

And if I see an outpressed pill I'd put a lot of money on it being a pipe. Just because in history it hasn't always been true doesn't really matter right now, current pills, outpressed, are pipes 95+% of the time in the US. That's what matters right now, so if people aren't testing their pills, don't buy outpressed pills if you don't want to eat pipes.

As to why, does it matter? That monkey press has good in pressed pills, and pipes of the same press but outpressed, they're pretty much marking them for people with a brain to figure that out.

 

[Bsiren]

I admit I've heard the "outpressed are pipes" thing before, but there certainly are a lot of pipes in the US that happen to be outpressed pills right now- it could simply be that a LOT of outpressed pipe pills were all made from the same or a few sources, and continue to be in circulation. Perhaps (just a theory) pipes typically stay around longer (circulate) than MDMA because unfortunately, once someone realizes they have a batch of pipes, they don't always flush them or store them, they pass them on to someone else =(

 

[alasdairm]

...outpressed, are pipes 95+% of the time in the US.

i'd like to see some substantiation of this claim. where are you getting number like that?

alasdair

 

[shiznik]

Outpress- the logo on the pill is popping out.

Inpress- the pill's logo is pressed in.

And shiznik, please stop arguing with the mods and posting useless comments. Were all here to help each other and you need to respect everyone here. The mods are respecting you, even though you have 7 itty bitty posts the mods are treating you with respect. And respect is earned so your getting a free pass, so grow up!

How are they useless comments? There was plenty of substance to everything I said. Did you read any of it or were you too busy on your knees kissing the mods feet? They were BARELY respectful if at all in the beginning of this thread. Again, did you read any of it? My comments were aimed at helping people. Your literary analysis is awful.

As for your "7 itty bitty posts" comment, does this mean I'm less of a person? Am I not allowed to voice my opinion because of this? I don't believe I need to "grow up" because I disagreed with someone with more posts and a higher status in a drug forum sorry pal.

 

[shiznik]

i'd like to see some substantiation of this claim. where are you getting number like that?

alasdair

There are a couple of really helpful sites that can show you this sort of a statistic. They are:

www.ecstasydata.org
www.pillreports.com

You should check them out some time.

Say what you want about not being able to determine a pills contents by its press, but some of the dirtiest pills on edata are outpresses and cutouts, and barely any of said presses are MDMA with no adulterants. I get that its not a sure fire way to tell but its a damn good way to avoid wasting your money.

 

[foxyloxy55]

I don't see any disrespect in this thread towards anyone. There is no name calling or anything of that immature nature, just disagreements. Nothing wrong with that as far as I can see, as long as it's civil. The mods did seem slightly aggressive in the beginning but have since come away from that. Also, to suggest that because you only have a few posts on a forum, you should just agree with everything the mods say is silly.

Really though... as far as I can tell, the mods took this thread the wrong way. No one was claiming that you should ever make decisions based solely on a pills appearance. No one ever claimed that testing wasn't the only way to be sure of what you're taking. No one ever claimed that impressed pills were by default good, but all of these statements were made in this thread. Believe me, I am a HUGE advocate of pill testing. I test my pills, I tell others to test their pills, I post my test results on pillreports, I send pills in to edata. I am an active member of the pillreporting community and I just don't understand why having conversations about trends IN OUR LITTLE CORNER OF THE WORLD is a problem. Would you deny that IN GENERAL big gaudy cut outs of cartoon characters tend to be pipes as well? Do you honestly think it's wrong for users to be aware of the current trends in their area to avoid getting ripped off?

I think bluelight is a great resource and have used it for years, but you can't just throw out the word harm reduction whenever it's convenient. Yes, this site's purpose is harm reduction, and that is obviously a wonderful thing. To pretend like every single thread on here, however, is in the name of harm reduction is pretty outrageous. If so, threads like "post your roll tricks here" and "you know you're an etard when" would be closed. I'm not saying I think there's anything wrong with those threads, they are fun conversation threads for ecstasy users, but they certainly don't have anything to do with harm reduction.

 

[alasdairm]

There are a couple of really helpful sites that can show you this sort of a statistic...

a link to a general source of information doesn't really substantiate his claim. he made a very straightforward, measurable claim - that "current pills, outpressed, are pipes 95+% of the time in the US.". if there's anything to this claim, then substantiating it should be very straightforward. if not, the conclusion is obvious.

as i said before, asking people not to speculate and fabricate information should not be too much to ask.

Mods on this site are so quick to talk down to you...

when you respond to a considered post by mazdan with "yawn...", you're talking down to him. you'd make a much more convincing case if you practiced what you preached.

mazdan's put in 7 years of hard work into this site and the cause of harm reduction and, even if you disagree with a specific point he's making, you look like a hypocrite and an idiot talking down to him the way you did.

alasdair

 

[alasdairm]

Do you honestly think it's wrong for users to be aware of the current trends in their area...

yes i do. honestly.

i have a green pill in my hand. i read online that, in my area, green pills are good. or bad. or whatever.

how much more do i know about the pill in my hand? absolutely nothing...

alasdair

 

[Project Will]

Each side has a valid point here. Sure, knowing the current trends can be helpful in choosing which pills to buy and which to turn down assuming you do not have the option of testing pre-purchase.

That being said, knowing the current trend is in no way a substitute for testing a pill. I think everyone here can agree on that.

While being absolutely sure what you are consuming is the best harm reduction strategy, this is not always possible. Pretty much all drugs could cut with unknown and potentially dangerous shit - be it pipes in your e pills, fentanyl in your heroin, levamisole in your coke... You get the point.

In a perfect world everyone would have a test kit and make informed decisions about the drugs they take. As it stands, many (perhaps most?) people do not even test their pills before eating them.

Websites like www.pillreport.com are helpful tools in this case. If I have a green superman in my hand, and pillreport.com says green supermans in Texas are the real deal, I would at least be making a more educated decision than if I just ate whatever pill I found. Personally, I test every pill before taking it. But if I didn't, as is the case with many people, using websites and knowing current trends is certainly better than nothing. This might not eleminate harm, but it will reduce it.

 

[Cheshiregizmo]

It's so disappointing that most of this thread is argument over how people are wording things, and disrespect this, and that, and detail here, blah blah blah.

Was it not enough to simply take the advice on board to use a test kit? This has been recommended by multiple people early in the thread, including myself.

There's simply no disputing the fact that by identifying a pill by it's shape/size/color/press/taste alone will not be a definite indicator as to what's in it. Yes, it may be a way of saving some time based upon some research/word of mouth about your local area and what's going around. But it's NOT definite.

Is there really any further discussion on this required? Can the mods please close this thread and leave the people who are too stubborn to buy a kit and willing to guess about pills based on shape/size/color and taste alone to find out the hard way?

The stupid shall suffer. They merely create jobs for others.

 

[shiznik]

It's so disappointing that most of this thread is argument over how people are wording things, and disrespect this, and that, and detail here, blah blah blah.

Was it not enough to simply take the advice on board to use a test kit? This has been recommended by multiple people early in the thread, including myself.

There's simply no disputing the fact that by identifying a pill by it's shape/size/color/press/taste alone will not be a definite indicator as to what's in it. Yes, it may be a way of saving some time based upon some research/word of mouth about your local area and what's going around. But it's NOT definite.

Is there really any further discussion on this required? Can the mods please close this thread and leave the people who are too stubborn to buy a kit and willing to guess about pills based on shape/size/color and taste alone to find out the hard way?

The stupid shall suffer. They merely create jobs for others.

Nobody here suggested they were too stubborn to buy a kit and would rather guess about a pill. Comments like that are the reason further discussion continues to be required. People keep making stupid claims that someone suggested this or that when its simply not true. Show me where in this thread someone said they're too stubborn to buy a kit and just want to guess. The last sentence in your post provides good insight to your wisdom. I get the feeling you put a lot of thought in to the things you write, so I'm sure you'll have no trouble substantiating your claim.

 

[Cheshiregizmo]

Nobody here suggested they were too stubborn to buy a kit and would rather guess about a pill. Comments like that are the reason further discussion continues to be required. People keep making stupid claims that someone suggested this or that when its simply not true. Show me where in this thread someone said they're too stubborn to buy a kit and just want to guess. The last sentence in your post provides good insight to your wisdom. I get the feeling you put a lot of thought in to the things you write, so I'm sure you'll have no trouble substantiating your claim.

Go figure, shiznik is the one who has to carry it on. Being that you're one of the main contributors to the endless bs contained in this thread, I'm not going to bother clarifying/arguing/explaining the inner workings of why I write what I write.

I'm done with this thread.

 

[alasdairm]

If I have a green superman in my hand, and pillreport.com says green supermans in Texas are the real deal, I would at least be making a more educated decision than if I just ate whatever pill I found.

hey project will

i appreciate your considered posts and the fact that you are interested in a civil discussion.

with respect, it is your statement here that i absolutely have a problem with. based on the information you have, you feel that you're making a "more educated decision" when, to me, you know as much before you read that report about the specific pill in your hand, as you did after. you are making an assumption about the pill based on its physical characteristics and it's this "that green pill was alright so this one is alright" guess that i believe is potentially harmful.

perhaps there is some harm-reduction value in looking at it the other way - "that green pill was dangerous so this green pill might be dangerous" but, if you're not going to test your pills, then, by extension any pill might be dangerous so you still have as much information with the data as without.

i don't believe that shiznik's contribution in this thread is of limited value because he only has 9 posts. i believe that it's of limited value because of its content for the reason described here...

alasdair

 

[shiznik]

hey project will

i appreciate your considered posts and the fact that you are interested in a civil discussion.

with respect, it is your statement here that i absolutely have a problem with. based on the information you have, you feel that you're making a "more educated decision" when, to me, you know as much before you read that report about the specific pill in your hand, as you did after. you are making an assumption about the pill based on its physical characteristics and it's this "that green pill was alright so this one is alright" guess that i believe is potentially harmful.

perhaps there is some harm-reduction value in looking at it the other way - "that green pill was dangerous so this green pill might be dangerous" but, if you're not going to test your pills, then, by extension any pill might be dangerous so you still have as much information with the data as without.

i don't believe that shiznik's contribution in this thread is of limited value because he only has 9 posts. i believe that it's of limited value because of its content for the reason described here...

alasdair

Your logic undermines the entire premise of pillreports.com, which I thought was a sister site to bluelight. You're basically saying that if you can't/won't/don't have the option to test your pills (specifically before buying them) then you may was well use no other method of discretion. You're using an analogy of "if this green pill is ok then this other green pill must be ok" when the suggestion was "if this green pill is NOT ok then this other green pill may NOT be ok". When did anyone say you should use a pills press to justify its consumption? You have twisted this one quite a bit. It's basically just an extra step to avoid something, which is safer than acquiring it in the first place. Whats so bad about that? You never answer.

...and before you say it, like you did before, that logic doesn't suggest that all inpresses are good or bad or ANYTHING at all. That would be something you inferred from the context.

 

[alasdairm]

It's basically just an extra step to avoid something, which is safer than acquiring it in the first place. Whats so bad about that? You never answer.

i addressed this point in post #53 (i.e. the post immediate above your reply): "...by extension any pill might be dangerous so you still have as much information with the data as without."

i'm still interested the hear sir_thizzalot's substantiation of the 95+% figure. sir_thizzalot?

alasdair

 

[shiznik]

I won't bother explaining to you how that does not address the question I asked you.

So tell me though, do you think pillreports.com is a meaningless site? Your logic suggests so.

 

[MazDan]

Im not sure how Alasdairm would answer that question, he may have different ideas to me but my thoughts are that pill reports is an excellent way of getting a guide to what you may have but should never ever be used as gospel. Im pretty sure the pill reports mods would agree with that but I may be wrong.

Personally I use PR as a guide to give an indication but also I keep in mind that I dont know the people posting and what there motives are and also how much they even know about mdma.

Its certainly a useful tool but on its own, not much more value than a guide. For those who cant afford, cant get or wont get a test kit then its all they have which is way better than nothing.

I also bare in mind that even though my pill may look identical and be from the same area and have the same colour there is still NO guarantee it is not a copycat which sadly is what happens a lot in the realm of ungoverned illegal drugs.

 

[foxyloxy55]

hey project will

perhaps there is some harm-reduction value in looking at it the other way - "that green pill was dangerous so this green pill might be dangerous" but, if you're not going to test your pills, then, by extension any pill might be dangerous so you still have as much information with the data as without.

alasdair

I think this has gone on long enough, and we will never be on the same page, so I just have one last thing to say: I can't speak for everyone else involved in this disagreement, but what I'm arguing about here takes place BEFORE any pill is purchased for testing. It's simply about making an educated buying decision based on current regional trends, and I will never see any problem with this.

Let me ask you this: If a dealer told you they had a popular cartoon character cut out (I would name a specific one, but I know this is against the rules) pill, would you buy it? Wouldn't it be safer to avoid it with it's reputation? (Again, I'm not talking about not testing it, I'm talking about not making the purchase in the first place before you have the ability to test it.)

Ok, I'm definitely done with this thread.

 

[alasdairm]

Let me ask you this: If a dealer told you they had a popular cartoon character cut out (I would name a specific one, but I know this is against the rules) pill, would you buy it?

i don't base buying decisions in any way whatsoever on the appearance of a pill.

It's simply about making an educated buying decision based on current regional trends, and I will never see any problem with this.

you feel you're making an educated decision, i feel you're as in the dark before as you are after. i'm happy to agree to disagree.

alasdair

 

[shiznik]

Im not sure how Alasdairm would answer that question, he may have different ideas to me but my thoughts are that pill reports is an excellent way of getting a guide to what you may have but should never ever be used as gospel. Im pretty sure the pill reports mods would agree with that but I may be wrong.

Personally I use PR as a guide to give an indication but also I keep in mind that I dont know the people posting and what there motives are and also how much they even know about mdma.

Its certainly a useful tool but on its own, not much more value than a guide. For those who cant afford, cant get or wont get a test kit then its all they have which is way better than nothing.

I also bare in mind that even though my pill may look identical and be from the same area and have the same colour there is still NO guarantee it is not a copycat which sadly is what happens a lot in the realm of ungoverned illegal drugs.

I agree with what you have said 100% and therefore will lay this topic to rest.