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shiznik said:
You prefer the "just buy it" approach to harm reduction I suppose.
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i asked you not to put words in my mouth and you've done it again. how you draw this conclusion from what i've said, i do not know but if you need it distilled, i wrote earlier:

testing your pills > guessing based on what they look like

in this statement, "guessing based on what they look like" is no different than "just buy it" and, hence, i think that "testing your pills" is more important that "just buy it". the approach i prefer is "testing your pills". it's pretty clear.
shiznik said:
The disappointment here however is your lack of a real response.
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just because you disagree or dislike my response doesn't make it any less real.
shiznik said:
You don't have a clear stance on this beyond "but it's just a guess"...
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that's like saying "rich people are just the same as poor people if you ignore the fact that they have more money" when that's the point!
shiznik said:
...I don't understand your "problem"...
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indeed.
shiznik said:
that is agreed upon by a majority in the US community.
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a majority of the community? which community? bluelight? all u.s. mdma users?

if it's the former, even if you just count active users, that's a community of just over 9000 users. i'd love to hear how you that >4500 of those users agree, let alone the majority of u.s. mdma users... :\

seriously, it's for reasons like this that ca prop 19 failed. it was a poor law which read like it had been written by a bunch of high-schoolers. harm-reduction and meaningful discussion about drugs should be based on factual information, not speculation and fabrication.

alasdair
 
The point is that while this may be true currently in your tiny part of the world, there is no guarantee that it will be true tomorrow or the next day.

Your suggestion that you wont bother buying out pressed pills is fine but also suggests to people that buying inpressed pills will be OK and that is NOT true.

The press means absolutely nothing when it comes to determining contents and suggesting otherwise could prove dangerous.

As I said, sure it may be fine right now right this day in your part of the world but it doesnt make it true for tomorrow or for other parts of the world.
 
I haven't put any words in your mouth. If you want to continue to say that making an educated guess to AVOID something based on current regional trends is a bad idea then so be it. Yet again you suggest that you have the option to test your pills before you buy them. Obviously if you already have the pill in question testing is going to be your best option.

You continue to ignore the fact that if you did a little research you could draw the conclusion yourself. It is sad that you keep ignoring that there IS factual information to back this up in the US. This is not "speculation" or "fabrication" and of course we're talking about "my tiny part of the world" in the current time, the OP is located in Seattle Washington. Should I be trying to give them advice on how to make purchases in the past or distant future in other parts of the world? I follow current trends, and obviously neither of you do. OF COURSE I'm going to refer to a consensus made by current MDMA users here, it was a helpful tip to use when buying pills CURRENTLY (do I have to keep spelling that word out for you?). Please, you guys aren't even reading what you're writing. This was supposed to be a tactic used when making the decision to buy something. As for the impress comment, I never suggested buying impressed pills "will be OK", who's putting words in whose mouth?

All we simply said was here in the US where the OP is located outpressed pills currently have a bad reputation and its a safe bet to avoid them. It was a harmless tip. I don't see why you both have such a problem with this. If you followed pill trends AT ALL you would likely agree that outpresses here are more often than not adulterated. As I've said more times than I can count, LOOK FOR YOURSELF.

You're both acting like I told people to avoid outpresses and consume all inpresses without testing or something. I test every pill I buy and report all of them on pillreports. I have several reports on outpressed pills and they're all adulterated. Right now if you even combed through some of the reports and the comments on the reports most people agree outpresses are a safe bet to avoid. What's dangerous about that? Please, enlighten me. The worst thing that could happen by avoiding an outpress is that it could turn out to be real (an outcome of which odds do not favor right now), and then what? If outpresses make a comeback and start proving to be a trustworthy option again then the trend will be noted and decisions will be made accordingly.

Now if I lived in Europe this would not be the case. There are certain outpressed pills in Europe I would LOVE to get my hands on. If the OP lived in another part of the world I wouldn't be coming on here to add my 2 cents in the name of avoiding something with a bad reputation in the US. Please though, quote me out of context some more and make yourselves look even worse.

Your backhanded comment about how its reasons like this that ca prop 19 failed (irrelevant) is just a poorly conceived insult that devalues your post.
 
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I see alasdairm's point about testing, but I definitely agree with shiznik and foxyloxy stating that the majority of outpresses they've run into and seen others run into have been pipes, why not share their experience? Isn't that the whole point of pillreports? Why even post your experiences with pills if your objection to that is: 'i'd rather test than guess', what's the point of even talking about it then?
 
I hate to come across like an asshole like I have this whole thread but really, thats all I'm saying. I didn't tell anyone to do anything stupid, I didn't tell them not to test their pills, I didn't tell anyone to buy all inpresses, it was just an observation based on experience coupled with a harmless suggestion to AVOID something for someone who buys ecstasy in the same country I live in.

Mods on this site are so quick to talk down to you and attack your logic like they know best, rather than just contribute their own thoughts while making sure everyones following the rules and respecting one another. Your opinions are not the law just because of your status on this forum.
 
Guys, you need to understand that this is an international board and as such we have to consider the global picture.
We also have to consider the information that is being "put out there".

I have no problems with your claims. All I am doing is ensuring that readers understand that determining a pills contents by the press is an extremely dangerous thing to do because the press means nothing.

We dont know but it could well be that next month everything is turned around and its inpressed pills that are generally pipes.

Its important for us to ensure nobody gets the impression that this current trend is something they can hang there hat on.


Bluelight is all about Harm Reduction and Education. One of the messages we try to get out is that the only way to know what you have is to TEST your gear.

We also try hard to educate people that things like press, taste, colour etc are NOT any sort of means of determining what is in a pill.

When someone comes along suggesting that its possible to determine whats likely to be in a pill based on a press, its very important we ensure that readers understand that YES this may be true in that persons area at this very moment in time but that NO, it is in no way a reliable means of making decisions about pill contents.

Had I considered your posts to be dangerous information then it would have been removed. In this case, there is probably some truth to your claims but its important for us to ensure that people dont think that can be something they can use to determine a pills contents.

In other words........what your saying is probably right but we dont want anyone reading this to simply believe thats how they can determine a pills contents.

Hope that helps you to understand.

Cheers.
 
MazDan said:
Guys, you need to understand that this is an international board and as such we have to consider the global picture.
We also have to consider the information that is being "put out there".

I have no problems with your claims. All I am doing is ensuring that readers understand that determining a pills contents by the press is an extremely dangerous thing to do because the press means nothing.

We dont know but it could well be that next month everything is turned around and its inpressed pills that are generally pipes.

Its important for us to ensure nobody gets the impression that this current trend is something they can hang there hat on.


Bluelight is all about Harm Reduction and Education. One of the messages we try to get out is that the only way to know what you have is to TEST your gear.

We also try hard to educate people that things like press, taste, colour etc are NOT any sort of means of determining what is in a pill.

When someone comes along suggesting that its possible to determine whats likely to be in a pill based on a press, its very important we ensure that readers understand that YES this may be true in that persons area at this very moment in time but that NO, it is in no way a reliable means of making decisions about pill contents.

Had I considered your posts to be dangerous information then it would have been removed. In this case, there is probably some truth to your claims but its important for us to ensure that people dont think that can be something they can use to determine a pills contents.

In other words........what your saying is probably right but we dont want anyone reading this to simply believe thats how they can determine a pills contents.

Hope that helps you to understand.

Cheers.
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Well put.

I get quite frustrated meeting people (usually at clubs and raves) that with confidence state that "purple e pills are always really strong!" or "whenever it's a buddha stamp it's fake!" or some BS furthering the notion that shape, color or size play a role in contents.

This is quite a common notion, because once someone has had a few similar experiences with a particular color/stamp, and doesn't know any better, the idea that stamps and color are some sort of "message" or brand.
 
IMO (remember, OPINION) Everyone who intends on consuming MDMA, or what is sold as MDMA, should invest in a test kit. They're fucking cheap dude.

I have only ONCE had a bad run in with Pipes, and honestly, it REALLY pissed me off. The primary thing that pissed me off about these Pipes was the fact that I tested them. They tested PERFECTLY. I can't tell you atm all the different reactions, but I own the most inclusive test kit the recommended site sells. They all tested perfect for MDxx.

What does this say? It says that some fucking asshole intentionally diluted his product with Piperazine while still including a bit of MDMA so it would test well. That sort of behavior infuriates me that an individual could be so selfish for financial gain.

Still, please keep in mind this was a one time occurrence where I had Pipes test perfectly. As far as I saw when looking on PReports and Edata, there were no other instances where this was reported, so it could have been an isolated incident. So please don't be swayed into thinking test kits are pointless, they're not. They're a very good tool that every prospective MDMA consumer should utilize.

*End rant*

Please use your brain when using illegal substances, research things, it's smart and will prevent bad times.

Additionally, the best MDMA isn't even a pill anyways, it's powder.
 
Cheshiregizmo said:
IMO (remember, OPINION) Everyone who intends on consuming MDMA, or what is sold as MDMA, should invest in a test kit. They're fucking cheap dude.

I have only ONCE had a bad run in with Pipes, and honestly, it REALLY pissed me off. The primary thing that pissed me off about these Pipes was the fact that I tested them. They tested PERFECTLY. I can't tell you atm all the different reactions, but I own the most inclusive test kit the recommended site sells. They all tested perfect for MDxx.

What does this say? It says that some fucking asshole intentionally diluted his product with Piperazine while still including a bit of MDMA so it would test well. That sort of behavior infuriates me that an individual could be so selfish for financial gain.

Still, please keep in mind this was a one time occurrence where I had Pipes test perfectly. As far as I saw when looking on PReports and Edata, there were no other instances where this was reported, so it could have been an isolated incident. So please don't be swayed into thinking test kits are pointless, they're not. They're a very good tool that every prospective MDMA consumer should utilize.

*End rant*

Please use your brain when using illegal substances, research things, it's smart and will prevent bad times.

Additionally, the best MDMA isn't even a pill anyways, it's powder.
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not true at all. you can have clean pressed pills. i have had plenty
 
pnut3844 said:
not true at all. you can have clean pressed pills. i have had plenty
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Maybe I should clarify best. By best I mean the purest. Pills will have a binder, end of discussion. MDMA crystals are stupid difficult to press into a pill without them crumbling apart super easily.

But to cover all bases, yes, MDMA CAN be pressed into a pill, but it requires a ridiculous amount of pressure, and you're unlikely to find such a thing.
 
MazDan said:
Guys, you need to understand that this is an international board and as such we have to consider the global picture.
We also have to consider the information that is being "put out there".

I have no problems with your claims. All I am doing is ensuring that readers understand that determining a pills contents by the press is an extremely dangerous thing to do because the press means nothing.

We dont know but it could well be that next month everything is turned around and its inpressed pills that are generally pipes.

Its important for us to ensure nobody gets the impression that this current trend is something they can hang there hat on.


Bluelight is all about Harm Reduction and Education. One of the messages we try to get out is that the only way to know what you have is to TEST your gear.

We also try hard to educate people that things like press, taste, colour etc are NOT any sort of means of determining what is in a pill.

When someone comes along suggesting that its possible to determine whats likely to be in a pill based on a press, its very important we ensure that readers understand that YES this may be true in that persons area at this very moment in time but that NO, it is in no way a reliable means of making decisions about pill contents.

Had I considered your posts to be dangerous information then it would have been removed. In this case, there is probably some truth to your claims but its important for us to ensure that people dont think that can be something they can use to determine a pills contents.

In other words........what your saying is probably right but we dont want anyone reading this to simply believe thats how they can determine a pills contents.

Hope that helps you to understand.

Cheers.
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...yawn. More of the same rhetoric.
 
Outpress- the logo on the pill is popping out.

Inpress- the pill's logo is pressed in.

And shiznik, please stop arguing with the mods and posting useless comments. Were all here to help each other and you need to respect everyone here. The mods are respecting you, even though you have 7 itty bitty posts the mods are treating you with respect. And respect is earned so your getting a free pass, so grow up!
 
Ok guys I wasnt asking if I should "not ever buy an out-pressed pill" If there were bombs going around that were supposed to be super bomb and they were out presses I would get some I was just asking if there was any known reason or correlation that pipes often ended up being out presses
 
Cheshiregizmo said:
Maybe I should clarify best. By best I mean the purest. Pills will have a binder, end of discussion. MDMA crystals are stupid difficult to press into a pill without them crumbling apart super easily.

But to cover all bases, yes, MDMA CAN be pressed into a pill, but it requires a ridiculous amount of pressure, and you're unlikely to find such a thing.
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This is not a true statement because it is actually easier to "cut" a powder or crystal than it is to "cut" a pill so the truth is that there is just as much if not more unpure molly as there are unpure pills.

Binders and fillers are generally not considered an impurity (although they are technically) as they should be inert substances.
 
MazDan said:
This is not a true statement because it is actually easier to "cut" a powder or crystal than it is to "cut" a pill so the truth is that there is just as much if not more unpure molly as there are unpure pills.

Binders and fillers are generally not considered an impurity (although they are technically) as they should be inert substances.
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you kinda missed my point, and to be honest, when I know what I'm saying, and it is infact true, I don't feel like taking the time to re-word what I'm trying to say so you all understand.

I'm sick of the people that have to go quote peoples posts just to say "this is actually untrue, because of blah blah little detail that doesn't really relate"
 
i bet the reason why most pipes are outpressed pills is because piperzines are very waxy and stick well together
now imagine how much easier outpressing pipe pills in the shape of a heart, compared to stamping an inpressed piperzine pill with a heart would be
wouldnt inpressing piperzines make every pill a risk of messing up?? because the pill itself could take hold of the metal when its getting inpressed, and the pill would not come out of the press as easy
now regular mdma tabs arent that waxy and sticky, so a press has should have no probably molding those mdma tabs and spiting them right out
thats just my guess, and also ive noticed that piperzine pills with inpressed logos usually are very weak with pipes, while an outpressed piperzine has people tripping balls on pipez horrably
 
I hate pipes. HATE pipes. If I have any sneaking suspicious a pill is a pipe again, I'm going to get someone else to guinea pig it if they choose to.
 
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