PlurPsyed
Bluelighter
because their views on the nature of humans is extremely unrealistic
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Why are hippies disrespected?
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Polluted_Mind
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Because many of the ideals they held were shown to be either impractical or destructive in the long term, and the current culture is the polar opposite of the hippy ethos.
If you want to be accepted nowadays just be as greedy as fucking possible, drive a really nice car, dress well, and have no mercy. I'm not kidding, that is a sure-fire way to acceptance in today's society.
If you want to be accepted nowadays just be as greedy as fucking possible, drive a really nice car, dress well, and have no mercy. I'm not kidding, that is a sure-fire way to acceptance in today's society.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
^I don't know if it's that cut and dry, but I understand where you're coming from....I could be considered a hippie in a lot of way, in a lot of ways not.....I just think the cliche that it's become is pretty lame! And of course, the whole thing comes down to whether we're discussing "hippies" from the 60s or what it's eveolved into now, jam bands, veganism, cannabis culture, dreadies, hemp jewelry, girls named "Sky" OR "Ky" whichever you prefer!
And then, there's alot of people that fit the modern-day hippie "cliche" that I wouldn't call phonies, anybody that tries too hard to fit perfectly into any one subculture has always come off as phony to me.....and I think the whole "hippie" thing has become just an exercise in imitation and nostalgia and it can be pretty damn phony...I think a lot of other people feel the same...
And then, there's alot of people that fit the modern-day hippie "cliche" that I wouldn't call phonies, anybody that tries too hard to fit perfectly into any one subculture has always come off as phony to me.....and I think the whole "hippie" thing has become just an exercise in imitation and nostalgia and it can be pretty damn phony...I think a lot of other people feel the same...
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
yeah, that's one very very small aspect of it...
/welcome to bl.
//lurk moar.
/welcome to bl.
//lurk moar.
LOL
Telling me to lurk more when you've accumulated near 3k posts in 5 months. Classic.
For one to be held in high esteem, they need to have qualities you like, which is subjective.
To be held in disesteem, you have to do something/have qualities you dislike, which is also subjective.
The reasons hippies are disrespected depends on the field you're talking about.
Being against the war went against some peoples values, not participating in war went against some peoples values, doing drugs went against some peoples values, being liberal went against some peoples values, disbelief in Christianity/embrace of other religions went against some peoples values, embracing other cultures too and men having long hair went against the social norm. A lack of academic credentials also adds to it, yet we have the vast juxtaposition of Leary compared to say Shulgin. He wasn't a hippy in the sense I am alluding to, but I believe it is a good example of how little you mean subjectively when you're making vast contributions to something bigger than you, like chemistry/science.
They were just different, and some people don't like people who are different. Luckily there were enough of them to produce this subculture.
They're also dirty, nature loving, tree hugging, animal frolicking savages with a different demeanour to the norm, so we should all hate them!
Anyway, thanks for the welcome I guess.
I didn't wanna post much, but I need to rack up 50 posts so I can save more than 5 pm's..
Telling me to lurk more when you've accumulated near 3k posts in 5 months. Classic.
For one to be held in high esteem, they need to have qualities you like, which is subjective.
To be held in disesteem, you have to do something/have qualities you dislike, which is also subjective.
The reasons hippies are disrespected depends on the field you're talking about.
Being against the war went against some peoples values, not participating in war went against some peoples values, doing drugs went against some peoples values, being liberal went against some peoples values, disbelief in Christianity/embrace of other religions went against some peoples values, embracing other cultures too and men having long hair went against the social norm. A lack of academic credentials also adds to it, yet we have the vast juxtaposition of Leary compared to say Shulgin. He wasn't a hippy in the sense I am alluding to, but I believe it is a good example of how little you mean subjectively when you're making vast contributions to something bigger than you, like chemistry/science.
They were just different, and some people don't like people who are different. Luckily there were enough of them to produce this subculture.
They're also dirty, nature loving, tree hugging, animal frolicking savages with a different demeanour to the norm, so we should all hate them!
Anyway, thanks for the welcome I guess.
I didn't wanna post much, but I need to rack up 50 posts so I can save more than 5 pm's..
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
if you're posting just to access our PM system, something's wrong in the 1st place. but good luck w/ ur droogs lol
You really need to learn how a community works man.
I never really did like you, especially when I first saw your posts, but then I thought you'd not quite redeemed yourself, but raised the quality of your posts.
I guess you can assume whatever you like, I'd rather you did a little more pm'ing and little less shitting up the boards with stupidity, but then again, it's unfair of me to single you out
and who am I to say what people should say?
I AM RIGHT. Xenophobia is the saving grace from our lord, please hold everyone who's different to you in contempt, especially if they're brown! We don't like those ones!
This has been a public service announcement from yours truly.
Sincerely,
Washington DC.
I never really did like you, especially when I first saw your posts, but then I thought you'd not quite redeemed yourself, but raised the quality of your posts.
I guess you can assume whatever you like, I'd rather you did a little more pm'ing and little less shitting up the boards with stupidity, but then again, it's unfair of me to single you out
and who am I to say what people should say?
I AM RIGHT. Xenophobia is the saving grace from our lord, please hold everyone who's different to you in contempt, especially if they're brown! We don't like those ones!
This has been a public service announcement from yours truly.
Sincerely,
Washington DC.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
dude seriously wtf is that? LURK.fucking.MOAR. you'll understand why that^ is likely to get you ridiculed. I'll refrain cuz it's beyond fish in a barrel.
/if you're gonna have the audacity to address me as "washington, DC", i'd expect it to be a private communication. Lest I consider you, well... again, fish in barrel.
//edit: re private comm, wtf lol, are you saying you wrote that and expected *me* to message you?! do you understand how gross a misunderstand of these boards that conveys?
///my conscience is thwarting me from enjoying this as much as i feel i should be...
/if you're gonna have the audacity to address me as "washington, DC", i'd expect it to be a private communication. Lest I consider you, well... again, fish in barrel.
//edit: re private comm, wtf lol, are you saying you wrote that and expected *me* to message you?! do you understand how gross a misunderstand of these boards that conveys?
///my conscience is thwarting me from enjoying this as much as i feel i should be...
I sort of feel bad about this cause PA is one of my favourite mods, but since you've taken up posting in PSS I think my disruption is diminished,
but for what it's worth PA, I didn't mean to come shit on your board.
I know perfectly well why it is suspect to try to get posts for PMs, but AFAIK you can only PM BL crew us a GLer.
I haven't tried PM'ing anyone who isn't, and unless it's changed-
New people who seek out drugs are usually reported and banned before too long, I guess you didn't come to that conclusion with the whole report button and the suspicion of law enforcement on a drug board.
I wasn't adressing you as Washington DC, I tried to be as absurd as I could in the hopes you would pick up my sarcasm. I'm just trying to represent the imperialist state which hippies came from, and express yet another reason they're disrespected there.
I really don't want to talk to you, and I'd delete any PM I got from you, but I do want to be a fuckhead towards you in public for the greater good, that is, my space for messages.
I wasn't even trying to insinuate anything, I explicitly said you should refrain from doing what we're both engaged in right now, which is shitting up the boards with OT, redundant, and downright stupid posts.
If you need me to spell it out for you, since you can't understand, the purpose of these boards is not to make 2.8k posts in 5 months. It is the quality of your posts, not the amount (and lesser so the time you've been posting them) that counts.
You also shouldn't feel bad about anything regarding me, though you should repent for infecting others' consciousness with such filth, especially PA (and ebola and CrackAndScrabble)
Anyway, that's a long enough post for me.
This will be my last ridiculous post in PSS
for today
but for what it's worth PA, I didn't mean to come shit on your board.
I know perfectly well why it is suspect to try to get posts for PMs, but AFAIK you can only PM BL crew us a GLer.
I haven't tried PM'ing anyone who isn't, and unless it's changed-
New people who seek out drugs are usually reported and banned before too long, I guess you didn't come to that conclusion with the whole report button and the suspicion of law enforcement on a drug board.
I wasn't adressing you as Washington DC, I tried to be as absurd as I could in the hopes you would pick up my sarcasm. I'm just trying to represent the imperialist state which hippies came from, and express yet another reason they're disrespected there.
I really don't want to talk to you, and I'd delete any PM I got from you, but I do want to be a fuckhead towards you in public for the greater good, that is, my space for messages.
I wasn't even trying to insinuate anything, I explicitly said you should refrain from doing what we're both engaged in right now, which is shitting up the boards with OT, redundant, and downright stupid posts.
If you need me to spell it out for you, since you can't understand, the purpose of these boards is not to make 2.8k posts in 5 months. It is the quality of your posts, not the amount (and lesser so the time you've been posting them) that counts.
You also shouldn't feel bad about anything regarding me, though you should repent for infecting others' consciousness with such filth, especially PA (and ebola and CrackAndScrabble)
Anyway, that's a long enough post for me.
This will be my last ridiculous post in PSS
for today
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
tldr.
/from my edit-box, i notice the word "ridiculous". all hope is not lost. keep on that track and you'll come aroudn eventually.
//bl is fun and all this is in jest, i hope you get that.
/from my edit-box, i notice the word "ridiculous". all hope is not lost. keep on that track and you'll come aroudn eventually.
//bl is fun and all this is in jest, i hope you get that.
SixStrongLines
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the real hippies in the 60's weren't even hippies they were just kids caught up in what was happening
then the media started calling them hippies
now people want to be 'hippies'
so they start selling them products and it gets younger and younger until you see fkn 13 year olds wearing Alex Grey tshirts
ParappaTheRapper
Ex-Bluelighter
Because wooks are often confused for hippies.
Mycotheologist
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People on this thread seem to think I was talking about some movement or fashion statement when I said hippy. No I'm talking about the borderline anarchist type people who like to alter their minds, reject authority and societies bullshit, who are hardcore egalitarians and accept the fact that humanity as a whole would do a lot better if we all worked with each other rather than against each other etc. I'm not talking about wankers who have long hair and like to be associated with some label. I'm definitely no hippy, I believe that violence is a reasonable method of achieving a goal and I eat meat but other than their views on violence, I agree 100% with their philosophy and they have my full respect. I respect real hippies, not these dickheads who wear new age t-shirts and stuff like that. If you dress like a hippy, then you're probably not what I consider a real hippy because if you were, you'd camoflague yourself as a defense mechanism because anarchists have many enemies so its unwise to advertise what you are.
Yeah, its no simple matter. Imagine if hippies were violent. They'd be classed as terrorists and the government would send the army after them. I think hippy is the wrong word though, a more accurate word for what I'm referring to would be liberal or left winger.
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Lab-Test Monkey
Bluelighter
DISCLAIMER: This is whimsy of thought and I am a changeable person as circumstance and growth of knowledge demands
Yes there's a fine line(if any) between paranoia and perception, I think most would agree that minimal governance and empowerment of individuals to grow and contribute more if they had the desire but not the means is the best method of strength through diversity and the natural evolution of people and societies. This reduces (although we cannot completely negate depending on extreme circumstance) the risk of another Hitler messing with the world while it's trying to get it's sweet little groove on.
Also there may or may not be a lot of people who act opposite to their ideals for a set period of time for what they would view as the greater gain/good/best outcome and I bet that they do a lot to influence events when possible. I bet if they didn't want the CIA or other external agencies to know what they were doing then they would perhaps hide in or out of sight.
Maybe I overthink things if that is even possible?
Yes there's a fine line(if any) between paranoia and perception, I think most would agree that minimal governance and empowerment of individuals to grow and contribute more if they had the desire but not the means is the best method of strength through diversity and the natural evolution of people and societies. This reduces (although we cannot completely negate depending on extreme circumstance) the risk of another Hitler messing with the world while it's trying to get it's sweet little groove on.
Also there may or may not be a lot of people who act opposite to their ideals for a set period of time for what they would view as the greater gain/good/best outcome and I bet that they do a lot to influence events when possible. I bet if they didn't want the CIA or other external agencies to know what they were doing then they would perhaps hide in or out of sight.
Maybe I overthink things if that is even possible?
ParappaTheRapper
Ex-Bluelighter
Because hippies are people, and all humans have flaws. But hippies tend to be peaceful, and people are opportunistic.
SomaResearch
Greenlighter
They are disrespected because they don't fit into what society considers ''normal.'' Lots of things are demonized because it opens the mind to new ideas and experiences. It also clues people in to know and understand how the system messes with them every single day.
And if people are wise to how the system is corrupt, then the system is threatened. The whole ''just say no'' campaign really didn't work, so they turned to peer pressure. You can thank Edward Bernays for that. He was Freud's nephew and used Freud's theories of unconscious desires in humans in the field of public relations and advertising. He helped create the energy of, ''If you don't buy this product, you will not fit in.'' It just snowballed from there.
The goal of the system is to keep people dumbed down and ignorant of what is really going on. I think comedians Bill Hicks and George Carlin explained it best. The Canadian rock band Rush also touched on it, but didn't mention drugs. Their tune ''Subdivisions'' explained peer pressure pretty well.
Growing up it all seems so one-sided
Opinions all provided
The future pre-decided
Detached and subdivided
In the mass production zone
Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone
Conform or be cast out.
And if people are wise to how the system is corrupt, then the system is threatened. The whole ''just say no'' campaign really didn't work, so they turned to peer pressure. You can thank Edward Bernays for that. He was Freud's nephew and used Freud's theories of unconscious desires in humans in the field of public relations and advertising. He helped create the energy of, ''If you don't buy this product, you will not fit in.'' It just snowballed from there.
The goal of the system is to keep people dumbed down and ignorant of what is really going on. I think comedians Bill Hicks and George Carlin explained it best. The Canadian rock band Rush also touched on it, but didn't mention drugs. Their tune ''Subdivisions'' explained peer pressure pretty well.
Growing up it all seems so one-sided
Opinions all provided
The future pre-decided
Detached and subdivided
In the mass production zone
Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone
Conform or be cast out.
ParappaTheRapper
Ex-Bluelighter
I think the term hippy is pretty sold out. I'd agree more on "freak." Not sure of the exact quote, but when hunter thompson ran for sheriff he said something about based on the way the country was headed, it was an honorable designation to be called a freak.