Opioids Who uses opioids as anti-depressants?

[TheLostBoys]

I think just about the entire APA would disagree with you as well as myself. Maybe ssris aren't as effective in terms of making people nod out in happiness till their hearts nearly stop.
But when you come off an ssri you're very unlikely to go rob an 80 year old eldery woman or sell your own kidney just to get another dose. The simple fact is opiates cause just as much if not more bs coming off them then ssris ever could. And ssris are actually pretty damn effective for some people. In terms of my own case I couldn't really tell you sub is better for depression than lexapro, and I'm on sub right now. This discussion is about anti-depressants not what drug is capable of making you the happiest. But which one is more likely to bring a person back to normal w/out ruining their life when its time to come off.

And any antidepressant has the potential to fend off depression with minimal risk associated with long term use. I can think of dozens of risks associated with long term opiate use. Using opiates for this job is like using a nuclear bomb to kill a village of 9 terrorists. Is it going to work? Hell fucking yeh. Are you going to kill 10,000 other people in the process? Hell fucking yeh.

Then how are you so sure that ssris aren't better? Obviously 1000times safer right? And isn't safety always the first concern here? I think so. So I sure as hell couldn't tell you opiates were better at anything unless it was turning normal people into mindless drug addicts.

Dude, you're so way off base, its funny......also, I dont care what the APA says, im not gonna listen to a bunch of clowns that "think" they know whats best for me. Thats whats wrong with todays society. we walk around like robots & listen to the lies of these organizations, not me man.

 

[pfn_247]

The first time i did opiats i fell in love!I could be up to my knees in shit & i would still feel good if i had a bag in me but that was short lived.After awhile i was just doing it to stay well.So i got on Subs & for the first few years , i was on 24 mil. a day for 7 1/2 years , they kept me happy but then it wasnt enough so i started doing benzos to.My Sub Dr. had me on Effexor to but i guess it quit working.
In a perfect World where it was legal i think opiats would be great for depression but its far from being a perfect World.The "War on Drugs" is just a way to drive up prices so the people that really control things can get richer , have more control over the population , keep Prisons & Jails full of undesirables , etc...Most of the drugs produced by Pharmacutical Corps. are just as bad if not worse than anything you can score on the streets!
Kind bud helps my depression but They arent writing scripts for that where i live.

 

[cire113]

Um i had no problems getting an INFINITE amount of opiates and they made my depression much worse in long run; so i dont think supply or maintaining an habit has anything to do with it...

Now im stuck on SUB just caust i cant quit... but subs are way better than any other for long term imo...

 

[doppelganga196]

^Lol about the bud! & 24 mg of suboxone? That's a fuckload right?

Anyway, I occasionaly use opiates for depression & anxiety. In fact i've found that opiates, poppy tea mostly, to be better for my anxiety than the diazepam i'm scripted & the poppy T gives me the best mood lift out of any opiate i've ever tried as it lasts for like 12 to 24 hours.

However when taking dihydrocodeine lately i've wound up getting the WORST comedown i've ever had from any opiate. Actually, i think it's the only opiate to ever give me a noticeabe comedown. I've been taking it once or twice a week lately as it last longer than codeine & has better pain relief as i have some issues with chronic moderate pain in more than one part of my body.

I live in what people in some areas of the planet may consider the 'ideal world', England. Rubbish place to live mostly, but where i'm at there's about 8 pharmacys within a 5 to 15 minute walk where you can buy, over the counter, codeine 8/500 mg tabs for extraction in one place codeine cough syrup -600 mg per bottle, dihydrocodeine with apap also. Then there's a rather expensive (£6 ) bottle of morphine you can buy for 'coughs & upset stomach' & finally a rare but fine treat opium tincture cough syrup called Gees linctus, which can be very pleasant indeed when you have a low tolerance or have a cold or something.

However let me tell you it's far from ideal as you can easily wind up with a fairly serious habbit which becomes a real pain in the balls when you have to visit about three pharmacys a week, sometimes a day, & they know your face cos you've been in there soooo many times that some are on the verge of refusing to sell any more to you.

 

[TheLostBoys]

^Lol about the bud! & 24 mg of suboxone? That's a fuckload right?

Anyway, I occasionaly use opiates for depression & anxiety. In fact i've found that opiates, poppy tea mostly, to be better for my anxiety than the diazepam i'm scripted & the poppy T gives me the best mood lift out of any opiate i've ever tried as it lasts for like 12 to 24 hours.

However when taking dihydrocodeine lately i've wound up getting the WORST comedown i've ever had from any opiate. Actually, i think it's the only opiate to ever give me a noticeabe comedown. I've been taking it once or twice a week lately as it last longer than codeine & has better pain relief as i have some issues with chronic moderate pain in more than one part of my body.

I live in what people in some areas of the planet may consider the 'ideal world', England. Rubbish place to live mostly, but where i'm at there's about 8 pharmacys within a 5 to 15 minute walk where you can buy, over the counter, codeine 8/500 mg tabs for extraction in one place codeine cough syrup -600 mg per bottle, dihydrocodeine with apap also. Then there's a rather expensive (£6 ) bottle of morphine you can buy for 'coughs & upset stomach' & finally a rare but fine treat opium tincture cough syrup called Gees linctus, which can be very pleasant indeed when you have a low tolerance or have a cold or something.

However let me tell you it's far from ideal as you can easily wind up with a fairly serious habbit which becomes a real pain in the balls when you have to visit about three pharmacys a week, sometimes a day, & they know your face cos you've been in there soooo many times that some are on the verge of refusing to sell any more to you.

I had a bottle of dihydrocodeine, 120mgs XR & imo, its one of the worst opiates ive ever taken "but" it does take away my back pain for a few hours. When I say the worst, I mean, I get no euphoria from it & it just gives me a weird feeling in my head, like something isnt right. Codeine is way better but its not as strong for back pain.

 

[suessmayr]

I think dihydrocodeine metabolises to codeine or morphine, i.e., in exactly the same was as codeine. It's just 1.5x stronger apparently.

The fact that opiates were 'used as antidepressants until the 20th century' (which is not something I've ever heard) doesn't change what I wrote. I think it's not possible to use opiates in this way today because the medical profession has a monopoly on these questions and they say that opiates are not to be used for depression/anxiety. Personally, I think that they absolutely could be used in this way, theoretically. But the way things are set up just makes it impossible in my view. As I said, the issue is not one of physiology but of politics.

 

[Bojangles69]

Dude, you're so way off base, its funny......also, I dont care what the APA says, im not gonna listen to a bunch of clowns that "think" they know whats best for me. Thats whats wrong with todays society. we walk around like robots & listen to the lies of these organizations, not me man.

"The lies of these organizations"?

Haha. These organizations are first a lot smarter than you will ever be if you're actually dismissing an entire body of research and empirical evidence based on a stupid fucking conspiracy that you don't have an ounce of proof of. I mean really you don't think that sounds incredibly dumb & ignorant? Oh wait, thats why they call it ignorance.

So you're the enlightened one because you choose not to read or do anything real important other than open your mouth and voice opinions with no grounds or evidence? And you are calling the APA "clowns"? What the hell does that make you?

 

[TheLostBoys]

"The lies of these organizations"?

Haha. These organizations are first a lot smarter than you will ever be if you're actually dismissing an entire body of research and empirical evidence based on a stupid fucking conspiracy that you don't have an ounce of proof of. I mean really you don't think that sounds incredibly dumb & ignorant? Oh wait, thats why they call it ignorance.

So you're the enlightened one because you choose not to read or do anything real important other than open your mouth and voice opinions with no grounds or evidence? And you are calling the APA "clowns"? What the hell does that make you?

Someone with balls that is willing to stand up for what he knows is the truth & not being brainwashed like yourself by these corporations. I bet you are the guy 1st in line believing that the government will take care of you when the shit hits the fan. Corporations like these falsify their information to get their way.

Ignorance is someone that doesnt stand up for what he believes...........I suppose you have your opinions & I have mine.

 

[pfn_247]

^Lol about the bud! & 24 mg of suboxone? That's a fuckload right?

What do you mean by that?

 

[change-jug]

This may sound weird but my Suboxone actually is helping my depression.

I don`t think it sounds weird at all. I`ve suffered from depression for the past 10 years(at least) and I find a low daily dose of sub REALLY helps me stay positive. I`m not just talking about being high and feeling good and forgetting whatever problem may be bothering me either.
I may feel some mood enhancement when I first take it but through out the day after the "high" fades I`m still able to thinks things over without spiraling into a deep depression.
So for me it helps.

 

[25mgh]

yes have tyred all the SSRIs and they made me feel really bad like sick in the head actually, they really made me more depress!! i would not recommend opioid meds even tho they probably are the most cleanest meds you will encounter but you have to pay a prize for that which is a raging roaring habit which now one will understand -than the people who have been there- and society will just fuck you over when they find out,even tho it is not you fault,for you just wont to work out what the fuck is wrong...but i really just wont to say fuck SSRis have a think about why they are so over prescribed,i reckon they are a pharmaceutical scam....quick and easy to prescribe too which doctors love....

 

[doppelganga196]

^Lol about the bud! & 24 mg of suboxone? That's a fuckload right?

What do you mean by that?

Whoops, was getting the reply about bud mixed up with another thread i was reading (read so many last night) but i was also asking is 24 mg of sub not a very high amount to be taking daily??? Usually i read of people taking 2/8 mg per day. Not making a harsh critisism, just suprised to hear of such a dose.

 

[ThePharmacist25]

In my P1 year of Pharmacy school the teacher, for amusement, linked us to a physician (I forget their name/locale) that was doing trials with opiates (primarily Oxycodone/Hydrocodone/Morphine. I believe nothing of vast importance was discovered.. don't a

I'd like to hear stories from people who use opioids as anti-depressants. Essentially people who formerly used other meds like tricyclics, SSRIs, Antipsychotics, etc just to find out for themselves that the only meds that work with few side effects other than addiction, are opioids.

What were your experiences?

Personally, I find them to be the most superior antidepressants for the short-term....like 2-4 weeks. WDs after that are not too bad-far better than any side effect from all teh other meds after 2-4 weeks.

 

[pfn_247]

I was with the same Doc. for 7 1/2 Years.I was doing a bundle or 2 a day , Oxys , Fentenyl patches...Anything to maintain.He started me at 3 8 mil. a day & i stayed on that dose until he got shut down.Believe it or not their are some very good strains of nugs for deppression.I really like the strains that are Sativa heavy but everyone is different.

After i got off the Subs i started going to a Methadone Clinic...Huge mistake!!I was there for about a year & got thrown out for fighting.Some asshole was on a 5 day Blizzard (Bath Salts) binge & he just attacked me.So i did what i had to do & that got me a 10 day taper from 120 mil.So 12 millagrams a day.That was like 28 days ago ; something like that.So 18 days of Hell so far & its just getting worse!I cant find another Sub Doc so besides the occasional 8 mil tab or strip or straight Pharmacutical Opiates ive been going through it!First time in like 15-16 years ive been off Opiats.So i got a ways to go before i feel "normal" again.

Unfortunatly i havent found any nugs that dont just make it worse & i definatly dont want to go back to bangin' Dope...I dont have another run in me.My point is with the Subs & nugs i atleast felt decent half the time.So hopefully i can get back on Subs soon!Theres plenty of Docters but they all have atleast a 6 Month waiting list.

Anyhow , i just didnt know what you meant or how to take it.Since its all good i figured id give you a little backround on what my situation was like.Around here 24 Mil. is pretty much the norm.Everyone i know that were or are on them were on 24.36 is the max from what i understand anything more than that doesnt do anything more.Its like a cut off or something where your body just wont use anymore than 36 Mil. at a time.Id be happy with 8 Mil. a day at this point!

Im glad we straightened that out.Im not looking to make enemys on here!!Hopefully we can learn from each other & maybe ill fly over their & hit some of those Pharmacies up!Shit , i wish it was like that here!!!Be cool & be safe!

 

[Genuissa]

I want to know where you can get Poppy Tea in UK? I read somewhere on this thread that somebody in London gets it. Is that over the counter?

I've been on DF's now since December 2010. I was only supposed to be prescribed them as an opiate substitute for a month reduction plan via drug agency. I'm still on them, 9 months later! Hopefully, I'll be off them in a month or so, for good. They are a shxt drug to take. I wake up every morning feeling like crap. And, you can only imagine what the constipation is like with them! I had to take these as I am allergic to both buprenorphine and methadone.

 

[Bojangles69]

Someone with balls that is willing to stand up for what he knows is the truth & not being brainwashed like yourself by these corporations. I bet you are the guy 1st in line believing that the government will take care of you when the shit hits the fan. Corporations like these falsify their information to get their way.

Ignorance is someone that doesnt stand up for what he believes...........I suppose you have your opinions & I have mine.

Yeh because I said "the government will take care of me" right? You're not even addressing me here your addressing your own projection of me.

And one quick word as I can spend the next 20 hours posting positive things the APA has done for society but its a waste of my time if you don't actually know anything about them. The APA is NOT = to Big Pharma in any way shape or form. These are 2 institutions independent from each other and the majority of research the APA conducts isn't even centered on drugs in the first place. The only one manipulating anything here is Big Pharma.

But you can not actually steer research no matter how much money you have. Not with the APA as there is something called the internation review board which prevents exploitation of research. APA is limited ethically to what they can do. Big Pharma however can still pay nongovernment programs to engage in research and steer dependent paid for research programs which they can and do.

So if you're talking about Big Pharma I agree, but APA is nothing like you think it is. They are potentially one of the most noble organizations I can think of. All they do is research on how to improve the mental health of human beings. Corruption gets into everything sure, but definitely not to the extent you are trying to claim. Not by any means.

 

[pfn_247]

Iv'e seen plenty of people that are on SSRI's and/or other Antideppresants walking around like Zombies.I was on Effexor & when i stopped taking it i went through some wicked withdrawls.Effexor targets seratonin receptors & norenep...something.I know its like an Opiate receptor.They are even using Effexor for pain management in some cases.

The way i see it is if you have to take any pill or whatever everyday to feel "normal" then its addiction.If you could just walk into a Pharmacy and buy Opiats at a reasonable price , they would do more good than harm.The War on Drugs is a f*cking scam!Anytime you make something illegal it just pushes the price up.Case in point.When they started ridding Jails & Prisons of Tobacco products a pack of Cadilacs went from $5-6 Dollars to up a $100 Dollars a pack!

Two percent of the Population control the majority of wealth & they make the rules!They do what is profitable.Thats why the World is going to shit!They Profit from Addiction , War , & Corp. control.We have a puppet Government that does the bidding of the Elite.Otherwise people could afford medicine , healthcare , food & the World wouldnt be the cruel place it currently is.Kids are starving while other people spend $5000 on bottles of Crystal...Its not a consperiacy its reality!They give some of us enough to buy what the TV tells us to & to produce their goods & do their bidding.They use the Media as a means of control , a way to keep the sheep distracted while the Wolves raid the Hen House!To bad its all falling apart though.

Your smart , right?So you should know its always been like this.The few control the masses by controling the Currency , by propaganda & with the threat of punishment..They take & take until everything collapses & then they do it all over again!Rome , Brittain , The Pursian Empire , The ancient Egyptions....All collapsed because of a greedy minority!Controlling drugs & medications also work well to keep the heard in line!All you have to do is watch the news to see how bad things are getting.Its History repeating itself.So i wouldnt be so quick to dismiss TheLostBoys & what he is saying.

Most people are walking around like fucking Zombies , competly clueless sheep!!!Just the fact that Alcohol is legal & Mariujana isnt should be proof enough of how stupid people are!The Perfect plant , that has medicinal uses as well as countless other Enviromentally friendly uses is illegal while alcohol , that causes countless social , economic & health issues , is not only legal but socially accepted.Keeping Marijuana illegal is more profitable for the Elite though.Im sure you seen those retarded videos they made to make it illegal to begin with & even though those videos are complete disinformation that has been disproven & are just plain rediculous but Bud is still illegal though.Thats just one example.

Ive been up for two days & i got 16 mil. of Bup in me so im done with this...im crashing while i still can.Im not trying to flame you im just saying , i read alot , im into History & i keep up on current World events.So i know what im talking about.History repeats itself & that...Well , thats just deppressing!Collapse of Society , dark ages , a short time of prosperity , Music , Art etc...& then the Parasites dig in & enslave people in one way or another &....Rewind...We are not free , not by a long shot.Most people do as they are told.Work & pay taxes while the World crumbles around them!No wonder so many people are depressed in the first place!Im out!Just try to be open minded...

 

[Bojangles69]

Most people are walking around like fucking Zombies , competly clueless sheep!!!...

"Sheep"? You are the only zombie I see in here. Most people actually have somewhat of a brain about them enough of a brain to know they're not zombies or sheep.

You sound like you just took your first highschool western civ class and needed to get uppity for a bit. Good for you. But people are not fucking sheep. If you think that, then you are the real zombie, and prob live out in the boonies, by sheep, which is why you like to talk about them.

You would love a little book called "Pale White Horse" and would likely agree that there are aliens too. All raping us in the butts while we sleep and ejaculating bright green neon goo all over our faces. But trust me you are the only one getting goo in your eyes at night.

 

[NCUK]

your an addict... join da club and deal... ps. wheres my alien bukakki?

 

[King Hop Head]

I want to know where you can get Poppy Tea in UK? I read somewhere on this thread that somebody in London gets it. Is that over the counter?

I've been on DF's now since December 2010. I was only supposed to be prescribed them as an opiate substitute for a month reduction plan via drug agency. I'm still on them, 9 months later! Hopefully, I'll be off them in a month or so, for good. They are a shxt drug to take. I wake up every morning feeling like crap. And, you can only imagine what the constipation is like with them! I had to take these as I am allergic to both buprenorphine and methadone.

Poppy pods are cheap and easily available in the UK at the moment. It only costs me £125 per month, and I have pods every day and get high 3-4 days a week.

Just google poppy pods uk! Hope I'm not falling foul of the sourcing rules.