Opioids Who uses opioids as anti-depressants?

[Empty8787]

This may sound weird but my Suboxone actually is helping my depression.

 

[verso]

you guys might be talking about the phyllomedusa bicolor. I know its used as a religious sacrament of some sort in certain ethnic groups societies. It's been known to help with depression and other problems of the sort. Sorry this post is off topic but i thought i'd put it up just in case anyone was curious. As to the OP, i think your gonna hear a ton of different answers and opinions on this board. If your seriously thinking about self medicating depression with opiates then start with the lowest dose of the the weakest opiate and keep it that way, if possible.

Be smart and safe with your body, as always.



Big fan of your avatar by the way verso. I like your style

So that's its name! The phyllomedusa bicolor, eh? Interesting...

Oh, and thank you for the compliment. It's probably my favorite Magritte, but all of Magritte's work is pretty cool.

 

[albastrux]

Ive done it, but i think its more of an excuse to use.

Agreed.

 

[HYDRO_CHRONIC]

i can see this with doctor prescibed opiates ,but using opiates off the street would be insane considering money ,and availability....

 

[cire113]

the only opiates good for depression are long acting ones like buprenorphine: the short acting ones will make you crazy long term too many ups and downs...

Personally i take ssri and opiates and still feel like shit; maybe its the drugs lol?

I just smoked a joint and feel a little better; but my recent oxy binge has left me feeling terrible; horrific comedown even with suboxone...

 

[Z Y G G Y]

Dope, for the first few months of use was the best AD ever, the rest is just not too pretty

Suboxone was a depressant for me if anything

 

[ATLL765]

My depression and anxiety becomes nonexistent when I'm using and it def helps me sleep better, so it basically solves all my problems, yet causes them all as well.....A great man named Homer Simpson once said that, "Beer is the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems." Replace that with Heroin and you have my philosophy on the matter lol.

 

[What was it?]

Arent you masking the problem by using SSRI's as well? Of course, no way are anti-depressants any better than opiates for depression.

I know of several people that use hydrocodone for over 5 years for depression & use it successfully. Some how they get it from their doctors for other reasons obviously. Will they have withdrawals if they try to quit? Absolutely, just like have huge side effects with quitting SSRI's.

Also, these people havent raised there in take much past several years. They dont do it to get high, just to take away their depression.

We've had this kind of thread before on here & its always turned into some good discussions. There will always be people that cant control their opiates & are complete addicts that will think it cant be used for that reason because of what opiates have done to them.

Opiates are not for everyone, bottom line!

I agree with this. I belong to those people who find it hard going 2 weeks without opioids, but at the same time find it quite hard to take them 2 days in a row!!!! I put it down to opioids having some kind of antidepressive/alleviating mechanism for me - even if not taken daily.

 

[thesoundofmotion]

I really wish that a doctor would just prescribe me about 2 15mg Oxycodone tables per day.

Oxycodone is the only thing that relieves my depression. I don't even like taking in a large amount since I am fairly underweight to begin with for a male.

I also have a klonopin addiction which I have been trying to taper off for the last year or so. I've been taking them everyday for many years. It's the worst thing to ever happen to me so far. I take about 1mg now when I used to take 4mg per day so I have cut my dose but it's still a daily thing.

At this point I don't know what to do. I am certainly an addict as I've been using drugs for so many years now but at this point I really just want to be off the klonopin. I do love the feelings opiates give me though. I've loved the feeling since I tried them 8 years ago at the age of 16. There is nothing that relieves my anxiety and depression like a small dose of oxycodone. I'm not even talking about a dose that will make you nod or anything. Just about 20mg or so.

 

[YellowNikes]

nvrmind... is there any truly effective anti-depressant(like a cure rather than a treatment)? I believe in therapy... i guess

 

[Coolwhip]

Sekio, I think I will see it in my lifetime. They have discovered several routes to negate tolerance. PKA, PCC, PKC inhibition. mGlu1 and mGlu5 antagonism. ORL-1 antagonism. Deliver it along side a peripheral antagonist to deal with some side effects, or alongside a small dose of naltrexone, very small, that would build in the system alongside the opiate and overtime, or if the patient takes too many pills, the naltrexone will begin to attenuate effects. I'd say if we don't see at least some improvement on this front, it will be because of lack of interest.

And now they are working on ways to raise your own endorphins and enkephalins, maybe that will be the miracle drug.

 

[guitarwiz]

I think that's why I started using and liking opioids, because I was inherently unhappy and introverted/shy, and when I did opioids I felt pretty good about myself, more talkative, all the good effects that opioids offer with the feeling of well-being that cancelled out the unhappiness I always felt.

 

[Treefa]

Man there have been days when i was just so tired of the same shit id have to take SOMETHING to get through the day till my next joint.
And of course when i found a bottle of tramadol, it was like christmas morning, so i popped 4 X50mg and felt great ALL day. THe next day i took 5, the next day 6, the day after that 7(this is where i drew the line). I took the shit for a week straight, but let me tell you, i didnt think id have withdrawls from this weaker than codeine synth shit after 1 week. Boy was i wrong, i may have thought i was sad before but when i ran out of them not even WEED(my doc, and healing herb) could keep me from bawling. This was the first time i experienced MILD wd and i never plan to again, now if im lucky enough to get free opiates(i dont pay for pills, just what the doc give me) i space out the dose by a couple of days.

If you need an anti-d just use weed, no wd's, easy to get, cheap, fun, and it was put here by god(you could argue the same for opiates but ill save taht for another day ha)
Anyway peace, and dont get yourself into something that its not gonna be easy to get outo f

 

[Jackie Chan]

If opiates were mass produced, cheap and readily available like alcohol and cigs then I'd probably take them daily to help with anxiety and depression. But I've never taken them daily for more than around 2 weeks and only first tried them around a year ago so I don't have much experience with them. The 'after a while you just use to feel normal', is this because you build a tolerance and the cost is too high to get enough to get high and feel great?

Are opiates like weed, even if you take it daily for years you can still get high but just have to keep taking more cause you're tolerance is increasing? Or are they like cigs, you get a buzz in the beginning but after a while you smoke a lot and barely feel anything? I've seen some episodes of intervention where people claim to have been using strong opiates for a long time and they still look really happy when they're on them.

In this documentary I saw from the history channel they talk about the period before ww1 when opiates were legal, and they said something like, "the scary part was you didn't know who was an addicted, it could be a respected lawyer, trusted teacher, doctor etc. Why is that thought so scary? maybe some of those people wouldn't have succesful careers and be well respected without the opiates. So I think it is possible to live a respectable life and have a good career and be using opiates daily. But if it is illegal and you have to deal with a black market where the cost is high I think it would be pretty much impossible unless you're rich.

They also talked about about young men who fought in the civil war who became addicted to morphine and stayed life long morphine addicts. I wonder how that affected their health and life expectancy compared to other people from that time who never used opiates. Not having to deal with black markets, and having it so easily available and cheap, did the addiction wear those people down and possibly ruin their life like it does to people now when it's illegal and has such a high cost?

If you started taking opiates at 18, and continued using until you die, let's say when you're 75, almost 6 decades, will they always work as long as you increase the amount you take to compensate for increased tolerance? How bad will the side effects be on your health over such a long amount of time?

I think about these things ever since i started taking oxycodone pretty frequently around 4 months ago. During the around 3 months before I stopped my parents were saying you're improving so much, keep it up, this is how you should be all the time. And I looked so much better, except when I got jaundice but can't really blame the opiates for that. They say opiates reduce your apetite, but I found the oxycodone made me slightly more hungry and eat healthier, tastier meals throughout the day. For some reason it made me appreciate my food and enjoy it more, Before I'd just be barely eating throughout the day, maybe something in the afternoon or evening but it wasn't that healthy.

I also have bad social anxiety, it's to the point where people think I'm crazy or up to no good or on drugs or basically something negative about me because of it. Sometimes people say stuff like, "drugs, yeah must be drugs, he's got drugs on him", and I'm totally sober. Opiates totally cover up that social anxiety and make me normal, well I'd say better than normal, feeling awesome! Yeah, it's funny how the only time people think I'm normal or not on drugs is when I'm on drugs. This is the main reason I keep thinking about if there'll ever be a period in my lifetime when opiates will be cheap and legal like before ww1.

 

[Bojangles69]

Arent you masking the problem by using SSRI's as well? Of course, no way are anti-depressants any better than opiates for depression.

I think just about the entire APA would disagree with you as well as myself. Maybe ssris aren't as effective in terms of making people nod out in happiness till their hearts nearly stop.
But when you come off an ssri you're very unlikely to go rob an 80 year old eldery woman or sell your own kidney just to get another dose. The simple fact is opiates cause just as much if not more bs coming off them then ssris ever could. And ssris are actually pretty damn effective for some people. In terms of my own case I couldn't really tell you sub is better for depression than lexapro, and I'm on sub right now. This discussion is about anti-depressants not what drug is capable of making you the happiest. But which one is more likely to bring a person back to normal w/out ruining their life when its time to come off.

And any antidepressant has the potential to fend off depression with minimal risk associated with long term use. I can think of dozens of risks associated with long term opiate use. Using opiates for this job is like using a nuclear bomb to kill a village of 9 terrorists. Is it going to work? Hell fucking yeh. Are you going to kill 10,000 other people in the process? Hell fucking yeh.

Then how are you so sure that ssris aren't better? Obviously 1000times safer right? And isn't safety always the first concern here? I think so. So I sure as hell couldn't tell you opiates were better at anything unless it was turning normal people into mindless drug addicts.

 

[BrainstormWithJace]

ssri dont address the problems at all and i regret getting on this one. although opiates most likely tramadol or hydrocodone wouldnt solve the problem either i would rather deal with the side effects from them rather then mirtazapine. opiates at least solve my problem of anxiety while the wellbutrin and mirtzapine (only thing it does is calm my mind down and prepare me for sleep) dont do much. however with that said it would be unlikely for doctors to treat depression/anxiety with opiates so we would be forced to lie and risk future possible w/d symptoms that wouldnt occur under doctor supervision

 

[Nimrod4154]

Absolutely. If i blow a 30 I dont even get that high, but suddenly a feeling of "ease" or comfort washes over me. It's like heroin without the rush and without being super fucked up nodding(god i miss it). Sometimes its a tease, sometimes its the perfect anti depressant.

 

[suessmayr]

The problem is one of practice, not of principle: we could all take opiates sustainably for depression or anxiety if they were available and acceptable. As it is, however, they are usually illicit and always difficult to obtain and expensive. And neither society nor the medical profession accepts that opiates can or should be used to treat depression/anxiety.

So the issue is that although they work great as anti-depressants, their use just is not sustainable in the same way.

 

[80mg]

I use it as a anti depresent. I cant picture my life without opiates.

Suboxone, heorin, oxycodone. But its subs 90% of the time.

 

[King Hop Head]

The problem is one of practice, not of principle: we could all take opiates sustainably for depression or anxiety if they were available and acceptable. As it is, however, they are usually illicit and always difficult to obtain and expensive. And neither society nor the medical profession accepts that opiates can or should be used to treat depression/anxiety.

So the issue is that although they work great as anti-depressants, their use just is not sustainable in the same way.

Opiates used to be used widely as antidepressants until the mid 20th century.

I take opiates (Poppy Tea) and an SSRI (Citalopram) and my mood is generally good. This is definately not the case though if my opiate dose is delayed and withdrawals are coming on.