Who is your "god"?

[L2R]

namaste, mdoa.

 

[trees_please]

Who is your god?

nobody. nothing. i dont live my life in hopes of being rewarded or punished for my existence. the notion of some being that controls our thoughts and actions is the stupidest fairy tale shit ive ever heard. i think subjective consciousness is the closest thing to what youre referring. and im in control of that.

 

[ShaggyFin]

i dont live my life in hopes of being rewarded or punished for my existence. the notion of some being that controls our thoughts and actions is the stupidest fairy tale shit ive ever heard.

This is FAR from what most gods are.

Most gods are simply nature and society given human faces. Wilderness, Love, War, Cannabis, Lightning, The Sun, Fire , The Ocean. These gods are just things that happen that we can EXPECT to happen, and we can expect them to react with other aspect of nature and we can expect them to interact in our lives. They are not gods because we worship them, they are gods because they happen whether we want them to or not, and are heavily intertwined in the existence of our species.

 

[trees_please]

thats great you believe in god dude. like i said, its a concept. you listed off a bunch of shit and then claim theyre gods. by that logic, my couch, shoes, and cell phone are all gods. and like ive said three times now, i dont believe in that shit. the material world presents itself to the observer. it is up to the observer how he observes.

 

[ShaggyFin]

like i said, its a concept. you listed off a bunch of shit and then claim theyre gods.

The Sun is not a concept. The Ocean is Not a concept. Cannabis is not a concept. Fire is not a concept. The rest could be considered concepts (love, war etc).

But these ARE all gods and I can list them. You just view them with a human face, when in reality that human face just describes something you see in nature everyday.

Wilderness: Pan
Ocean: Poseidon
Sun: Ra
Love: Aphodite
War: Ares
Lightning: Zues
Fire: Agni
Cannabis: Shiva

These are "Gods" but they do not sit in the sky granting wishes and telling us if we are worthy or not. They are simply things that we ALL experience in our lives.
The stories of "The Gods" are just stories of how these natural phenomenon react with one another and how they react with nature and how they react with human civilization.

And weather or not you like it, as long as you live on Earth, you are part of what happens in the Pagan world. Which is what I am talking about if you "have" to have a category for it. It's just the belief in things we can see and experience everyday.

 

[trees_please]

youre not even paying attention to responses because youre too busy clogging up the forums with useless threads. i DID NOT claim that the sun or the ocean are concepts dude. i said god is a concept. several times. i dont believe in the traditional idea of god (i.e. heavan/hell and predestination). youre the one that has to categorize shit. i was merely voicing my opinion in accordance with your thread. understandable?

 

[ShaggyFin]

i DID NOT claim that the sun or the ocean are concepts dude.

yes you did. You said I "Listed a bunch of concepts and called them gods". And my list included the Sun and Ocean.

 

[trees_please]

like i said, its a concept.

this is the last time ill say it. god is the concept. i did not state or imply that your examples were concepts. that would be stupid. they are all part of the material world. physical, tangible and capable of producing energy. i define them as matter. you define them however you want, socrates.

 

[ShaggyFin]

this is the last time ill say it. god is the concept.

No, read again.

This is FAR from what most gods are.

Most gods are simply nature and society given human faces. Wilderness, Love, War, Cannabis, Lightning, The Sun, Fire , The Ocean. These gods are just things that happen that we can EXPECT to happen, and we can expect them to react with other aspect of nature and we can expect them to interact in our lives. They are not gods because we worship them, they are gods because they happen whether we want them to or not, and are heavily intertwined in the existence of our species.

thats great you believe in god dude. like i said, its a concept. you listed off a bunch of shit and then claim theyre gods. by that logic, my couch, shoes, and cell phone are all gods. and like ive said three times now, i dont believe in that shit. the material world presents itself to the observer. it is up to the observer how he observes.

The Sun is not a concept. The Ocean is Not a concept. Cannabis is not a concept. Fire is not a concept. The rest could be considered concepts (love, war etc).

But these ARE all gods and I can list them. You just view them with a human face, when in reality that human face just describes something you see in nature everyday.

Wilderness: Pan
Ocean: Poseidon
Sun: Ra
Love: Aphodite
War: Ares
Lightning: Zues
Fire: Agni
Cannabis: Shiva

These are "Gods" but they do not sit in the sky granting wishes and telling us if we are worthy or not. They are simply things that we ALL experience in our lives.
The stories of "The Gods" are just stories of how these natural phenomenon react with one another and how they react with nature and how they react with human civilization.

And weather or not you like it, as long as you live on Earth, you are part of what happens in the Pagan world. Which is what I am talking about if you "have" to have a category for it. It's just the belief in things we can see and experience everyday.

 

[trees_please]

youve been a member for less than a week and you already have nearly 300 posts. stop making stupid threads and then arguing when people (i.e. myself) express their views

 

[ShaggyFin]

youve been a member for less than a week and you already have nearly 300 posts. stop making stupid threads and then arguing when people (i.e. myself) express their views

I never argued your views, you are arguing mine. You are trying to say I believe in "god". Your point is that gods don't exist and mine is that I am not worshipping a god. That does not go against what you are saying, you just continue to argue whenever I say anything.

 

[Tromps]

god is a concept. therefore a manifestation of human thought. nothing real at all.

Human experience & existence is a concept. A manifestation of God's thought - imagination.

Opposite beliefs, which of us is right? There is no way to know either way what is real. They are simply beliefs. It is exceedingly real, for people who know where to look can tap into and feel God's presence all around us. Prove me wrong. I admit your disbelief is real, although on what authority do you have debunk others as false?

A stomach is no less chaotic than a star. A person is no less chaotic than a universe. That is what I see when I look at everything.

I don't even slightly get what your saying there. "My stomach" or my person, is immensely far less chaotic then a star such as the sun for example. I am not burning up at degree of 5,778 K over a 6.0877×10^12 km area. I can physically look at things and know what I am greater than or less than. "That is what I see when I look at everything," If you are looking out at what is happening in the universe, and when you look yourself in the mirror you see the same thing, I nicely suggest you go back to school or lay off the drugs.

the notion of some being that controls our thoughts and actions is the stupidest fairy tale shit ive ever heard.

Who's notion is that? What made you believe that for this being to exist it must be controlling our every thought and action? We are in complete control of our will. You determine your karma. You have the ability to decide the foundation you want to build your life on. At the end of your life that foundation will be tested. If you lived your life showing love toward others, that positive force and spirit energy will carry on, you are apart of a blissful eternal spirit. If you lived your life built on hate, greed, selfishness, those will diminish in the presence of God (God being a spirit of virtuous love), and you will be left with nothing to stand on. Those negative energies you output in the universe, they will also carry on and repeat throughout existence, you will of willingly been apart of that negative energy and your spirit self-tormented forever - hell.

God doesn't necessary decide anything for you. In my eyes God is pure spirit. God is love. The very essence of Heaven resides in love. Hate cannot overthrow love, only love conquers hate.

Just my experience & opinion. I believe when people really see what hell is, most will reject it and repent. God forgives us and always will, even for what we do not know or understand, when we forgive others we are forgiven. As a collective conscious, seek not so much to be understood, as to understand; to be loved, as to love. For it is in giving that we receive - it is in pardoning that we are pardoned, and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

 

[ShaggyFin]

I don't even slightly get what your saying there. "My stomach" or my person, is immensely far less chaotic then a star such as the sun for example. I am not burning up at degree of 5,778 K over a 6.0877×10^12 km area. I can physically look at things and know what I am greater than or less than. "That is what I see when I look at everything," If you are looking out at what is happening in the universe, and when you look yourself in the mirror you see the same thing, I nicely suggest you go back to school or lay off the drugs.

Oh. So your idea of chaos is simply higher temperature. Now I get what you're saying. lol. That's a strange belief.

 

[Tromps]

No that's not all it was an example. What is chaos to you?

 

[panic in paradise]

I don't even slightly get what your saying there. "My stomach" or my person, is immensely far less chaotic then a star such as the sun for example. I am not burning up at degree of 5,778 K over a 6.0877×10^12 km area. I can physically look at things and know what I am greater than or less than. "That is what I see when I look at everything," If you are looking out at what is happening in the universe, and when you look yourself in the mirror you see the same thing, I nicely suggest you go back to school or lay off the drugs.

his proposition is entirely relative, you are seeing the forest and not the trees.


a star is mostly made of Hydrogen and Helium, our stomachs are in a constant process of creating enzymes, balancing PH and acid/base levels and hormones, and constantly moving to digest what has been consumed; there is much more to it that, though, the digestive system is very complicated in comparison to a star. and in the grand scheme of things, a star pails in comparison to some nebulas and the radioactive plasma exchange goings on.

but none of that really is chaotic, for it all serves a purpose just the way it is. we only deem chaotic what we dont understand.

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so a star is more like a fart that the stomach, which is the universe, lets off.

 

[Tromps]

Though there is "more" going on in the sun, then there is in my stomach it seems. Or am I wrong?

 

[ShaggyFin]

What is chaos to you?

I already went over this, but I'll do it again.

The fact that we function via destruction of other creatures, I consider that chaos. The fact that our stomachs take those materials and basically "burn" them into sustenance, I call that chaos. The fact that a species would destroy the natural planet to survive in "luxury, I call that chaos. The fact that when you zoom out and look from a distance, this planet is NOTHING but things eating each other, and humans slaughtering huge factories full of animals, I call that chaos. The fact that when you zoom in you can see animals loving each other or even fighting, but a human will pretend to love you, then kill you without a fight, I call that chaos. The fact that this planet is flying through space thousands of miles per hour, I call that chaos. The fact that only a few miles of atmosphere allow an entire PLANET to LIVE while everything around it seems or is dead, I call that chaos. The fact that we destroy materials from millions of years ago to make our engines work, I call that chaos. And I could go on forever.

We are a chaotic planet.

 

[casualuser]

By this logic the universe is not a functioning system (if a galaxy isn't the universe isn't), so all argument is now mute.

Can we now talk about gods?

Indeed, that was my original point, that there is no higher purpose or function(at least that we would ever be able to know) to the universe beyond what an individual creates for themselves thus I am my own god, you are your own god, ect.

 

[ShaggyFin]

Indeed, that was my original point, that there is no higher purpose or function(at least that we would ever be able to know) to the universe beyond what an individual creates for themselves thus I am my own god, you are your own god, ect.

Agreed. We are all our own gods. What I am suggesting with Paganism is simply that you can study culture and nature (and finding your pagan "god" is just finding your niche in nature and society) via studying those religions.

 

[panic in paradise]

Though there is "more" going on in the sun, then there is in my stomach it seems. Or am I wrong?

space dot com says besides hydrogen and helium the sun has been cataloged by astronomers as creating 67 elements. it is fascinating, our bodies are in a constant finely tuned process, the sun is massive and violent but rather simple in comparison, but sustaining the delicate balance of our health and environment.