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Who actively practices harm reduction when using drugs?

HR is a pretty new thing to me, since being on here and checking out other sites like erowid etc, I've become a lot more informed about ways in which to be 'safer' with my drug use and I've also acquired a lot of information about things I was doing wrong. I guess there's no 'safe' drug taking as one bad hit can end it all but I guess minimising the chances of said bad hit is where I'm coming from..

When trying a new substance I do it with friends, in the comfort of my own home where I feel safe and secure and I now document new experiences to see what works for me and what doesn't..

I've never tested a pill before, but I don't take them anymore, I used to be one of those 'I trust my dealer' idiots, but I can definately see that testing kits are a good thing!
 
mav3rick said:
I've never tested a pill before, but I don't take them anymore, I used to be one of those 'I trust my dealer' idiots, but I can definately see that testing kits are a good thing!
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Well... you're only an idiot if your dealer isn't trustworthy!
 
Morissey said:
-Take Deprenyl (low dose) to reduce neurotoxicity
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Morissey, not a bad regimen
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I know you've stated a low dose of Deprenyl (selegiline) but for the sake of those who may not know, I thought I'd better mention the importance of not taking larger doses in the mistaken belief that a little is good so a lot must be better.

At low doses (<~10mg) deprenyl acts as a fairly selective MAOB inhibitor and has been shown to be neuroprotective against MDMA, but at higher doses MAOA is inhibited. When a larger dose is combined with MDMA, it has potential to cause serotonin syndrome which is a life threatening condition. It's important to realise that nothing completely negates the toxicity associated with MDMA, but even a few mgs of deprenyl provides some protection, so use cautiously.

Hey mona, great to see you back, and with your crew badge :) Hope you can stick around....
 
Harm reduction to me just means using drugs responsibly, it's that simple. The best example I can give is combining pot with alcohol so that you drink less - that is harm reduction.

By the way, how is it even possible to "flip out" on MDMA unless it is cut with speed? Seriously, these kinds of people shouldn't even drink coffee because that is also psychoactive.
 
I practice HR by having researched what damage the drugs i take can do etc. I always check PR before i buy anything, but often find the pills are not on there.

I try and not drink as much grog when im rollin too.
 
Harm reduction to me just means using drugs responsibly, it's that simple. The best example I can give is combining pot with alcohol so that you drink less - that is harm reduction.
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Never reduced my alcohol consumption. If anything, it increased it ;) but hey, if it works for you then great.

By the way, how is it even possible to "flip out" on MDMA unless it is cut with speed?
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If you saw RaveSafe intervention figures for incidents involving MDMA, you'd realise that it's very for easy for some people to flip out on MDMA. Factors such as inexperience with the drug, high dosages, medical contraindications, predispositions etc, nutrition, sleep, can all affect the experience. Even set and setting can make a difference. We also see older people who've lost it on MDMA, so I'm afraid I'd have to say that assumption is not correct.
 
^ ignorant? unless your original comment was sarcasm - hardly.

The realistic factor is drug dealers are seldom very trustworthy people, preying on whatever will make them the most money in the fastest possible way. The only way around these problems is;

a) being close friends with a drug dealer
b) being a drug dealer yourself
c) being related to a drug dealer
d) all of the above

Unless you have first hand knowledge of where your drugs come from - it's blind faith, much like religion. hardly harm reduction.
 
Look I don't doubt that there are a fuckload of dodgy dealers in the world, but I don't necessarily think this is the rule. I've known quite a few from different areas of life and I would say they were all essentially good and trustworthy people. Maybe I've been lucky, maybe I've just been selective?! A dodgy dealer is only going to be successful with a desperate customer base.
 
I am extraordinarily pedantic with IV. I have my little routine, my crazy/compulsive sanitary methods, won't let anyone else do anything for me (ever) these days... I need to have total and utter control for peace of mind. end of story.

as for the rest, I'm guilty of mixing pills, but only to optimise their effects :p

very responsible with alcohol, etc. Know my limits with downers and know when not to drive on uppers... :)
 
mona said:
Look I don't doubt that there are a fuckload of dodgy dealers in the world, but I don't necessarily think this is the rule. I've known quite a few from different areas of life and I would say they were all essentially good and trustworthy people. Maybe I've been lucky, maybe I've just been selective?! A dodgy dealer is only going to be successful with a desperate customer base.
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True. Plus, a person who knows the telltale signs of quality drugs can rarely get stooged. Knowledge is power, as a few earlier posts were getting at.
 
^hmm from the way you speak of 'junkies', i figured you didn't IV...

Mind sharing you HR routine so the rest of us may compare how we do things to keep us safe.

Also, what kind of filters you use?

i havnt IV'd in a while, but generally as of late i use Sterifilts, as i've got alot of them free of charge
 
ah.... lately I've switched back to smoking stims, but usually it's a combination of the two. I won't IV more than twice in one week, defeats the purpose from where I stand & also I like to be able to wear short sleeves when I go out without paranoia :p
I will say though that the smaller gauge needles are a saviour when it comes to leaving no trace! I couldn't sustain a daily IV habit, maybe that's where me and most traditional 'junkies' differ...who knows (then again maybe if meth prices and quality were better - lol). Yet I have always stuck by the mantra that less is more.

I'm sure there are plenty of equally good, HR-centric routines available on the boards, nothing that would really set me apart except I sterilise *everything* - and I've been using some sterile cotton stuff I swiped from hospital when I had to have wound dressings applied last year... I guess the point being that even to cut them apart, I'll use sterilised scissors, and store them in zip-locked bags each time.
I've seen some alarming practices in my time, and it just bamboozle me as to how people can knowingly put unsanitary things beneath their skin :\
 
I put chemicals into my body to improve my life.

The things I do that some people would call "rec drug use" I do for the same reasons I do the things some people would call "harm reduction".
 
A very interesting point raised there.

Obviously we all believe that using these chemicals benefits us in some way other wise we wouldn't use.
 
Exactly. I Use marijuana to get to sleep. It doesn't really have any bad side effects and I get a guaranteed good sleep.

When I don't smoke at night I only have half a sleep and wake yp feeling tired and grumpy.

Sure, I get some recreational value out of it, but it stil helps me more than any prescribed drugs do and has very little negative side effects.
 
^ I did that daily for years mate and if you can keep it to JUST at night its probably not going to have too many negative effects but personally I always found it hard to not just end up smoking all, or atleast most the day. After a while heavy marijuana use tends to make you a pretty paranoid person who is prone to anxiety. Not trying to preach but I think you may find that the negative side effects increase over time.

Also, because I relied on the sedative effects of cannabis to sleep for years after I quit I remained dependant on CNS depression to get to sleep. I need to use some form of CNS depressant every day, usually I use alcohol but I often use benzo's and sometimes opiates. The point is, there may come a time when because of other reasons you have to quit the old ganj, and when you do you may find yourself unable to sleep without drugs, as I have.
 
Sameria said:
Exactly. I Use marijuana to get to sleep. It doesn't really have any bad side effects and I get a guaranteed good sleep.

When I don't smoke at night I only have half a sleep and wake yp feeling tired and grumpy.

Sure, I get some recreational value out of it, but it stil helps me more than any prescribed drugs do and has very little negative side effects.
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I have all sorts of trouble sleeping. I have to wake up at 5am to go to work and I still find it very difficult to get to sleep before 12-2am.

As for actively practicing harm reduction, I do as much as I can to keep myself and others around me safe without it taking over my night :). My doc at the moment is LSD so I just tend to make sure everyone is happy and feeling good, including myself.
 
drug_mentor said:
^ I did that daily for years mate and if you can keep it to JUST at night its probably not going to have too many negative effects but personally I always found it hard to not just end up smoking all, or atleast most the day. After a while heavy marijuana use tends to make you a pretty paranoid person who is prone to anxiety. Not trying to preach but I think you may find that the negative side effects increase over time.

Also, because I relied on the sedative effects of cannabis to sleep for years after I quit I remained dependant on CNS depression to get to sleep. I need to use some form of CNS depressant every day, usually I use alcohol but I often use benzo's and sometimes opiates. The point is, there may come a time when because of other reasons you have to quit the old ganj, and when you do you may find yourself unable to sleep without drugs, as I have.
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I can vouch for this too.

I used it for sleep, worked well for a few years. Then you end up getting distracted and being high before actually smoking just before bed.

The negative effects will get worse and when you quit, the sleeping problems will return.
 
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