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white vs. brown smack
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PhreeX
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White heroin is most often, well, these days it's always synthetic - that is, one fentanyl analog or another .. it's not derived from the opium poppy but rather made from chemicals in a lab by skilled chemists... of course there actually is a HIGHLY REFINED form of heroin that is *almost* pure white - sadly you *DON'T* see this - if you got white smack you got the synthetic stuff ..
Brown/Tan heroin is your typical heropin, derived from the opium poppy, the starting material is good ole BLACK OPIUM .. color *CAN* be an indication of quality but generally this isn't the case in the least ..
Brown/Tan heroin is your typical heropin, derived from the opium poppy, the starting material is good ole BLACK OPIUM .. color *CAN* be an indication of quality but generally this isn't the case in the least ..
Roachsucker
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^yep^
the organic white heroin tends to come from the golden triangle (burma, laos & camodgia) rather than from the middle east (Afghanistan, pakistan, iran) where most of the brown comes from...
...i'll just add the from personal experience brown gives you a better high and also seems to be somewhat purer since its more common to find it in rocks rather than in powder (although this probably depends more on your source than the actually quality)...
the organic white heroin tends to come from the golden triangle (burma, laos & camodgia) rather than from the middle east (Afghanistan, pakistan, iran) where most of the brown comes from...
...i'll just add the from personal experience brown gives you a better high and also seems to be somewhat purer since its more common to find it in rocks rather than in powder (although this probably depends more on your source than the actually quality)...
zorn
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Phreex, why do you think that most white heroin these days is a fentnayl analogue? I've always had the impression that except for a periods in the 70's and 80's, fentanyl (or analogues) sold as heroin was almost NEVER found on large scale in the US.
The NDIC's latest report on heroin production/distrubition/consumption in the US makes no mention of fentanyl. An earlier report mentions that it was prevalent in the late 80's LA, but seems to imply that it's not currently around.
I'm really curious about this... around the Chicago region, I have obtained both white and brown heroin; I've noticed no difference in subjective effects between the two, and I can usually distinguish the diff opioids I've tried. In general, the white stuff seems to be slightly purer: white/brown bags are usually more or less the same strength, but the brown ones (usually) have slightly more powder, and definitely leave a larger mass of undissolved stuff. (though this last could just be due to the whites' impurities dissolving.)
Also a large amount of the white stuff going around has little red flecks (clearly deliberately) scattered throughout it. Anyone else noticed these? I wonder if this an attempt of some high-level distributor to mark it's stuff.
The NDIC's latest report on heroin production/distrubition/consumption in the US makes no mention of fentanyl. An earlier report mentions that it was prevalent in the late 80's LA, but seems to imply that it's not currently around.
I'm really curious about this... around the Chicago region, I have obtained both white and brown heroin; I've noticed no difference in subjective effects between the two, and I can usually distinguish the diff opioids I've tried. In general, the white stuff seems to be slightly purer: white/brown bags are usually more or less the same strength, but the brown ones (usually) have slightly more powder, and definitely leave a larger mass of undissolved stuff. (though this last could just be due to the whites' impurities dissolving.)
Also a large amount of the white stuff going around has little red flecks (clearly deliberately) scattered throughout it. Anyone else noticed these? I wonder if this an attempt of some high-level distributor to mark it's stuff.
zorn
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akshEn74
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If its white it's fentanyl or some analog?!?!
BULLSHIT
Nearly all heroin in Australia is pure white rocks,so going on what PhreeX said we only get fentanyl!!
Somehow i dont think this is true,oh and the ocasional biege rocks we get are far superior IMO
It sounds like americans get nothing but garbage
BULLSHIT
Nearly all heroin in Australia is pure white rocks,so going on what PhreeX said we only get fentanyl!!
Somehow i dont think this is true,oh and the ocasional biege rocks we get are far superior IMO
It sounds like americans get nothing but garbage
fairnymph
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I agree with zorn and the aussies. I find it highly unlikely that the so-called white heroin on the streets these days is not actually heroin.
SovietContin
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I tend to believe most "white" heroin is colored so as a result of the cuts.
In DC you can pretty much only get white heroin. It's a slightly off white color. DC heroin is almost all quinine mixed with finely crushed light tan rocks.
In Baltimore I've experience white heroin a few times. However it was not powdered, it was in the form of rock chunks. From the look and texture and the way the rocks broke apart, I'm inclined to believe that the color was due to the cut used and that the stuff was rerocked some way or another. And these batches were also slightly off-white.
There was one time I did get white rocks of heroin in Baltimore that I truly believe to have been the real deal highly refined dope. It was white as snow and the rocks were exactly the same consistency as the brown/tan stuff. The strength was unbelievably high. But it felt like any other good dope I've had so I'm doubtful it was fentanyl.
But anyways, back to the original point of this thread.
All of the stuff I encounter in Baltimore is in the form of chunky rocks. It varies anywhere from dark brown to light tan to grey to white. The dark rocks are consistently extremely potent. The lighter colored stuff varies in strength more and is generally not as strong.. but it definantly can be.
All in all, I wouldn't use the color of heroin to judge the strength of heroin. I'd want to go for bags with solid rocks and as little powder as possible. Any powder that isn't obviously from the rocks being broken while being stuffed in the vials (in Baltimore it all comes in tiny vials) is almost always cut.
In DC you can pretty much only get white heroin. It's a slightly off white color. DC heroin is almost all quinine mixed with finely crushed light tan rocks.
In Baltimore I've experience white heroin a few times. However it was not powdered, it was in the form of rock chunks. From the look and texture and the way the rocks broke apart, I'm inclined to believe that the color was due to the cut used and that the stuff was rerocked some way or another. And these batches were also slightly off-white.
There was one time I did get white rocks of heroin in Baltimore that I truly believe to have been the real deal highly refined dope. It was white as snow and the rocks were exactly the same consistency as the brown/tan stuff. The strength was unbelievably high. But it felt like any other good dope I've had so I'm doubtful it was fentanyl.
But anyways, back to the original point of this thread.
All of the stuff I encounter in Baltimore is in the form of chunky rocks. It varies anywhere from dark brown to light tan to grey to white. The dark rocks are consistently extremely potent. The lighter colored stuff varies in strength more and is generally not as strong.. but it definantly can be.
All in all, I wouldn't use the color of heroin to judge the strength of heroin. I'd want to go for bags with solid rocks and as little powder as possible. Any powder that isn't obviously from the rocks being broken while being stuffed in the vials (in Baltimore it all comes in tiny vials) is almost always cut.
^^ i agree with soviet. As far as getting shit on the streets , white usually means cut. When you buy it uncut , its usually brown/tan to gray chunks with specs. Then when you cut it , it looks white. I think most of the purist dope in the country is in the chunk form . I think the chunk form is whats brought in to the country. We really don't get the asian stuff.
I really don't think we see much of the pure white powder some speak of , synthetic or not.
[ 06 May 2002: Message edited by: *KANE* ]
I really don't think we see much of the pure white powder some speak of , synthetic or not.
[ 06 May 2002: Message edited by: *KANE* ]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you only have tar and brown powder in the US? Here in Sweden it seems like it's mostly brown and white powder or rocks, depending if you're lucky. I've gotten hold of both white and brown rocks now and then and the white heroin is definitely stronger. I prefer the brown kind though, since I prefer smoking rather than snorting or IV. Ok, you can mix white powder with some agent to make it burn longer, but I'm a lazy person. People who IV consider the white stuff to be MUCH more effective than the brown, therefore I think that white heroin isn't white due to cutting.
Kind of wierd, you want the white smack and we want the brown.
Kind of wierd, you want the white smack and we want the brown.
Isnt the difference somewhat to do with where it has been grown too?
I always thought (perhaps wrongly) that the white stuff came from Thailand/Burma and the brown came from the Afgan area.
Although Columbia is growing more now a days so I'm not sure about this.
I always thought (perhaps wrongly) that the white stuff came from Thailand/Burma and the brown came from the Afgan area.
Although Columbia is growing more now a days so I'm not sure about this.
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PhreeX
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Enough of this arguement....
There really isnt enough conclusive evidcne to argue either way as to weather white heroin is heroin or fentanyl...
I look at it like this - it takes a LOT of work to refine your normal heroin to pure white in color... you can get a really, light tan, but pure white requires several extra (and involved) steps, durring the refining processs you lose a fair amount of your stuff - I don't think these cartels are such sticklers for quality they are willing to lose a good chunk of their product just so they can have a more pure product ..
Now, with fentanyl, one person could produce enough for the world working for only a week or so, and we KNOW it's out there - like LSD there have been fentanyl labs that have produced non-stop for years and years ..
So we will leave it at this:
White heroin may or may not be heroin, and it may or may not be fentanyl.. there isn't a lot of SOLID evidence to back either side, as for every report that says "white heroin is refined heroin", there is another report saying that it's fentanyl ... all that matters is that it fucks you up, and regardless, BE CAREFULL because no matter what it is, you can be it's MORE POTENT THEN NORMAL SMACK!
Say fentanyl isn't being made? Read the link about the lab in Big Bear Cali - that was some newbiews first attempt and he was successfull in making pounds of the shit (after cut it would be hundreds of pounds if not tons) .. so I am SURE we have other established labs cranking out the stuff on a regular basis...
NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE so all you can do is give your opinion and speculate...
There really isnt enough conclusive evidcne to argue either way as to weather white heroin is heroin or fentanyl...
I look at it like this - it takes a LOT of work to refine your normal heroin to pure white in color... you can get a really, light tan, but pure white requires several extra (and involved) steps, durring the refining processs you lose a fair amount of your stuff - I don't think these cartels are such sticklers for quality they are willing to lose a good chunk of their product just so they can have a more pure product ..
Now, with fentanyl, one person could produce enough for the world working for only a week or so, and we KNOW it's out there - like LSD there have been fentanyl labs that have produced non-stop for years and years ..
So we will leave it at this:
White heroin may or may not be heroin, and it may or may not be fentanyl.. there isn't a lot of SOLID evidence to back either side, as for every report that says "white heroin is refined heroin", there is another report saying that it's fentanyl ... all that matters is that it fucks you up, and regardless, BE CAREFULL because no matter what it is, you can be it's MORE POTENT THEN NORMAL SMACK!
Say fentanyl isn't being made? Read the link about the lab in Big Bear Cali - that was some newbiews first attempt and he was successfull in making pounds of the shit (after cut it would be hundreds of pounds if not tons) .. so I am SURE we have other established labs cranking out the stuff on a regular basis...
NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE so all you can do is give your opinion and speculate...