White Speakers?

[Butterwood]

From what I have read online this seems to be the case.

Hopefuly a GC/MS will appear soon.



I only see a single break line at about 11 oclock. Also it looks like an out press break line to me this is indicative of the defqon press.

hmm i suppose the more i look at it it looks like it is cut like
l_
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which would be silly.regardless ill know for sure when i have them in my hands

 

[redeyesmj]

My red question mark has two score marks and they look like you desrcibed above, or in the pick of the triforce

 

[Butterwood]

yeah thats how the picture of them looked..as im sure we are talking about the same source so yeah
im pretty sure im getting what you got..just white(and a little more potent)

 

[redeyesmj]

Awsomeness...except that yours are stronger

Jk...im just glad I found someone with good beans,powder and 2c-b presses so I be ready for bassnector comming up next month:D

 

[snowboarder7791]

FYI the score on the back of mine are double score (+)..

 

[futura2012]

Yeah sorry butterwood seems your right my friend.

Sounds like there is a defqon lab and also a speaker lab version.

Maybe this is a stand off? Who can produce the strongest one.

Either choice by all accounts sounds pretty kick ass.

 

[Butterwood]

no probs futura
i just want to know why the 'speaker' is stamped with a '?'
cause the actual speakers that have the speaker stamp are still rated as really strong pills haha
ffawwwwk..i just cant wait for mine xD

and if they are going for the strongest pill then that orange 250 bomb has got them beat
thats almost overkill >.> even though it could just be split in half

 

[futura2012]

i just want to know why the 'speaker' is stamped with a '?'
cause the actual speakers that have the speaker stamp are still rated as really strong pills haha

All the labs seem to vary the stamp (dye)

There will likely be several reasons for this. My guesses would be:

For interests sake

To ID certain strengths ie red / blue defqons

To make the supply source less easy to trace

To prevent fakes

What a pill dye looks like
(edit what a bunk pill dye looks like :D )

 

[Butterwood]

haha yeah i read a report on those horrid trannys
gross

 

[mdm]

Hi butterwood .... i know your source if i am right They tend to change from batch to batch. When they first came out , some people even got some of theses pills tested at 220mg ! This is mad crazy. If you never tried mdma , i would invite you to take 3/4 of the pill since when i done mdma for the first time , i would of love to take 150mg instead of 100 ! My friend took 150mg and he looked way more high than me. Feel free to msg me butterwood if you have any others information. But yeah you talked about importation , so im pretty much 100% we got the same source Have a nice day and stay safe.

 

[pokepoke420]

So these pills do in fact circulate in the states? It seems like a lot of you have tried them. Why can I not find these!

 

[blah blah]

So these pills do in fact circulate in the states? It seems like a lot of you have tried them. Why can I not find these!

In certain groups with the know how, yeah they are around.

Easy on the source talk gents.

 

[Butterwood]

you just gotta know what youre doing poke

 

[IloveM]

^^ Triforce AKA Speaker, Squirrel etc. Look how badly the pill
is mixed in this press. You can actually see the white Crystals.
many report these pills to be more mellow than the defqon stuff.

You are right about this line-up but the Qdance-DF is another lab then Lacoste.
Same for Canada Flag and Questionmarks.
Both are from another presser mate

 

[futura2012]

You are right about this line-up but the Qdance-DF is another lab then Lacoste. Same for Canada Flag and Questionmarks. Both are from another presser mate.

I dont agree.

http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2578
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2594
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2596

The dimensions are all very similiar also they all have the break line out press with rounded semi circles which is classic of that labs signature.

Of course there is always a chance it could be from another lab but very unlikely.

 

[blah blah]

Haha futura you mayyyyy just want to take IloveM's word on this one.

I'm with ya weet, different pressers.

 

[futura2012]

Okay look at this

The out press on the rear is the give away.

Defqons and Qs have identical presses. All the weights and dimensons add in on edata and streetworx as well.

Also look at the speckle density its the same on all of them.

My moneys on all from the same press.

 

[IloveM]

lol

Hi

I understand what you say, and maybe you're right or not
We both can not exclude anything. That is important to know imho
But at the end you never know the true story. Make no mistake mate!

If you look closely you can see in this example that the Q and the arrows are not the same.
That's true what I know from practice. These are other makers.
The difference is that you have info from the internet, and I have all the pills in my hands.
In fact, I have almost all of them.

It is too complex, the source can be traced through the pills.
You see, in foreign countries, not half of which is made.
Logos and master stamps, to go from presser presser, and has nothing to do with the production of M.
Anyone can make pills, but it comes to MDMA.
It is only in a handful of labs synthesized.

Pressing happened everywhere and you only need a good press.
These often have standard dimensions, and more likely to be used in the pharmaceutical industry before.
You can modify it as you want. It's just what template you used to create a single, double or no score.

There are 20 groups (pressers! No M-labs!) with their own logo, and those groups are competitive, so unlikely that only 1 or 2 pressers made the market.

A little example

2 Croq's on the same moment,

but I tell you: Totally different pressers so you understand what I mean?

Mercedes!

They look the same right? but believe me please Not the same pressers!!!

And these:

Again ... not the same presser but come on my way the same as the squirels, triforce and speakers..
..so how you explain that?

I have much much more exaples but no more time homie hahahahah

PLUR

 

[futura2012]

I understand what you say, and maybe you're right or not
We both can not exclude anything. That is important to know imho
But at the end you never know the true story. Make no mistake mate!

Of course we never know for sure. Any assumption you always stand a chance you will make a mistake.

If you look closely you can see in this example that the Q and the arrows are not the same.
That's true what I know from practice. These are other makers.
The difference is that you have info from the internet, and I have all the pills in my hands.
In fact, I have almost all of them.

Do you mean arrows in my pics or yours?

In your pics the lacoste, canada flag and q all look like they are from the same press. All the other pills look totally different.

In terms of streetworx they all have the same dimension, all contain pure MDMA and are all approx from 150mG - 200mG.

Im not saying im right im just saying they share many simlarities.

What makes you think they are NOT from a different lab?

The difference is that you have info from the internet, and I have all the pills in my hands. In fact, I have almost all of them.

I can see the advantage of having them all in your hand. So can you tell us your observations on how you are able to establish a difference?

I only see links and similarities I dont see what gives the game away?

It is too complex, the source can be traced through the pills.

To trace the source this is a task for forensics. They look at many factors. It is very easy to trace the source of MDMA using forensics ie synth impurities. It is also very easy to trace a presser using forensics synth impurities and binder/fleur/filler analysis.

You see, in foreign countries, not half of which is made.
Logos and master stamps, to go from presser presser, and has nothing to do with the production of M.

So far we have yet to see a fake defqon or Q. There is a fake green lacoste on edata. I cannot see why a presser would bother swapping a press or dyes with other people.

A totally unnecessary process that would only increase risk. Why swap the dye or press with another crew whats the point? This makes no sense to me. Just an invitation to HEAt. A dye costs $80 why swap it? They are making millions whats the point?

Anyone can make pills, but it comes to MDMA. It is only in a handful of labs synthesized.

MDMA is fairly easy to make. The only real challenge is obtaining precursors. As to how many labs there are. To meet the USA and Europe demand and based on the deforestation of cambodia I would say more than a handful worldwide. Certain countries will have more than others. Aussie and USA I would say have the highest demand vs the lowest number of labs.

Pressing happened everywhere and you only need a good press.
These often have standard dimensions, and more likely to be used in the pharmaceutical industry before.

From all the news reports I have read the majority of presses in use now are from China sourced direct.

Obtaining such a device via pharma channels would be very risky. All the pics I see indicate Ebay esk type setups and purchases.

You can modify it as you want. It's just what template you used to create a single, double or no score.

Sure you can its all in the dye.

There are 20 groups (pressers! No M-labs!) with their own logo, and those groups are competitive, so unlikely that only 1 or 2 pressers made the market.

Do you mean in NL? Where do you get this info? Whats the source? For what country?

Again ... not the same presser but come on my way the same as the squirels, triforce and speakers....so how you explain that?

The mercedes and the Key looking script look like very different presses. I am not quite sure of your point with this?

 

[heerutosen]

I've gotten my hands on a blue defqon.. Last time i rolled i took a whole pink squirrel wich are tested lower and was rolling hard :D
Anybody know if these break easy? Im guessing 3/4 would be best?