White House lashes Canada's pot laws

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An annual White House report on countries with drug problems says Canada's relatively lax penalties for marijuana producers and moves toward decriminalizing pot could be an ``invitation" to organized crime that hinders police and prosecutors.

Canada isn't on the president's list of 22 major illicit drug-producing and transit countries, which includes Mexico and some South American countries that supply the vast majority of drugs to the United States.

But the report cited Canada's "lack of significant judicial sanctions against marijuana producers" and marijuana reform legislation as troublesome.

"We are now working intensively with Canadian authorities to address the increase in the smuggling of Canadian-produced marijuana into the United States," said a White House release.

The report noted the Canada, in turn, has expressed concern about the flow of cocaine and other illegal substances from the U.S..

"The two governments will continue to work closely in the year ahead to confront these shared threats," said the release.

Officials in President George W. Bush's administration have long complained that Canadian regulations, which allow marijuana use for medical purposes, are increasing the pot problem.

Under the federal marijuana medical access regulation, Canadians can be authorized to grow, possess and use marijuana.

A recent federal initiative to decriminalize marijuana died on the order paper prior to the June 28 federal election. Police say more pot plants are seized in Quebec and British Columbia than any other province. They cite increased production because demand has risen.
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White House lashes Canada's pot laws
Annual report criticises what it calls lax treatment of marijuana growers
CANADIAN PRESS
Sunday, September 19, 2004

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See what i dont get is thier bitching and complaining about our lax weed laws, but US citizens can walk around with machien guns... and we havent bitched about them being smuggled to canada.
 
They already push us around economicaly and have tried to illegaly tax our lumber..

They tried to force us into joining there war TWICE.

And they try to force the way we live our lives.

Then they blame Canadians for bad country relations.

I wish those fucking pigs would realize Canada isn't their political skape goat.


They tried to screw over England with there steel imports too. Who the fuck do they think they are?

I hope Martin has the balls to stick up to the american gov't, unlike that pussy cretien.
 
Shut up. Regardless of what you think, banning guns only increases crime. You know why? Because criminals don't follow laws, just like the drug trade. There will always be black market firearms available no matter what laws are put in place. Owning a submachine requires a lot of money, a class III firearms liscense that is extremely hard to get,and the guns themselves cost as much as a car(an MP5 is $2000 for the police department, a civilian with a Class III permit will pay over $10,000 for the same gun) and a huge paper trail comes along with it. Killing somebody with a legally purchased firearm is about the dumbest thing anyone could do. And outlawing firearms will make people slaves to the government. What's to stop an armed police officer (or criminal with an illegal gun) from coming into your house and putting a gun to your head while his friends rape your wife, mother or sisters? Nothing, if citizens are not allowed to protect themselves. Are you going to use a baseball bat? That's funny...people who have permits to carry firearms still have restrictions as to where they may be carried, used, etc...Some piece of shit with a $35 pistol from the street without any firearms training and knowledge whatsoever can take a pistol wherever they want. Don't give me that whole "Canada has a lower murder rate because of our gun laws" line...Canada can't be compared to the US. Anyone who is for legalizing drugs (almost everyone here), yet says guns should be outlawed is a hypocrite...plain and simple. By the way...I've never met anyone who owns a "machine gun" (fully-automatic weapon is what you meant). I really do hate to say it, and the world hates to hear it and hates us for it...but the US is the most powerful country since the Roman empire, so don't complain about lumber taxes. Our countrymen spilled blood alongside eachother in the trenches of France during WWI and on the beaches of Normandy 25 years later. Petty shit like marijuana shouldn't divide us. Yes, I know our politicians are stupid when it comes to drugs. I like the fact that I can walk down a dark back alley at night without fear of being attacked by some bum. If he does, I will kill him without remorse. People who try to take my rights will pay.
 
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"I like the fact that I can walk down a dark back alley at night without fear of being attacked by some bum. If he does, I will kill him without remorse. People who try to take my rights will pay."

Comments like that destroy the credibility of your argument, yet I'm sure you don't care. Its good to know you will kill a homeless person at the drop of a pin.
 
the US is the most powerful country since the Roman empire, so don't complain about lumber taxes

JTMarlin,

Every empire in history , when it reached levels of outmost ignorance and disragard for it's opponents (read: anyone who currently diagrees with any US policy) simply fell to pieces.

Your argument does little to contribute to the original topic, which is, that US blames everyone for their own problems, while in fact they should check their own back yard, and realise why they are still the highest illegal drug consumers in the world per capita while spending billions of "fighting the drug war" which includes oppressive policies on many smaller countries which are struggling to survive.

Canada has always been blamed for many Ills of the US, including the "Crack of MJ from BC", banning imports of beef (even though original mad cow came from a US bred farm), the lumber taxes (because mighty powerful US cannot compete with little canadian forest industry) and the list goes on and on.

Fact of the matter is, American government will always blame someone else for their problems, which they created in the first place by trying to extend their military-economic hegemony worldwide for years.

And just so that you know, Americans didn't get involved in WWII until it became apparent that Hitler could be a threat to them if he took over Europe, as well as , it gave them a nice ecnomic opportunity to make billions on weapons and "rebuilding of europe" much like what is taking place in the middle east right now.

/ends rant.


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actually, the americans didn't get involved in wwII until the japanese bombed pearl harbor (harbour, to us cdns) in 1941, two years after hitler's armies started rolling into belgium. i suppose roosevelt's lend-lease program provides some mitigation for this overdue entry.
as for wwI, they were even lazier during that conflict, only getting involved in 1917, after the russians pulled out and it was clear the germans couldn't win.
 
JTMarlin said:
Shut up. Regardless of what you think, banning guns only increases crime. You know why? Because criminals don't follow laws, just like the drug trade. There will always be black market firearms available no matter what laws are put in place. Owning a submachine requires a lot of money, a class III firearms liscense that is extremely hard to get,and the guns themselves cost as much as a car(an MP5 is $2000 for the police department, a civilian with a Class III permit will pay over $10,000 for the same gun) and a huge paper trail comes along with it. Killing somebody with a legally purchased firearm is about the dumbest thing anyone could do. And outlawing firearms will make people slaves to the government. What's to stop an armed police officer (or criminal with an illegal gun) from coming into your house and putting a gun to your head while his friends rape your wife, mother or sisters? Nothing, if citizens are not allowed to protect themselves. Are you going to use a baseball bat? That's funny...people who have permits to carry firearms still have restrictions as to where they may be carried, used, etc...Some piece of shit with a $35 pistol from the street without any firearms training and knowledge whatsoever can take a pistol wherever they want. Don't give me that whole "Canada has a lower murder rate because of our gun laws" line...Canada can't be compared to the US. Anyone who is for legalizing drugs (almost everyone here), yet says guns should be outlawed is a hypocrite...plain and simple. By the way...I've never met anyone who owns a "machine gun" (fully-automatic weapon is what you meant). I really do hate to say it, and the world hates to hear it and hates us for it...but the US is the most powerful country since the Roman empire, so don't complain about lumber taxes. Our countrymen spilled blood alongside eachother in the trenches of France during WWI and on the beaches of Normandy 25 years later. Petty shit like marijuana shouldn't divide us. Yes, I know our politicians are stupid when it comes to drugs. I like the fact that I can walk down a dark back alley at night without fear of being attacked by some bum. If he does, I will kill him without remorse. People who try to take my rights will pay.
See, sayin shit like that is what makes you americans look bad.
 
blowupking said:
Comments like that destroy the credibility of your argument, yet I'm sure you don't care. Its good to know you will kill a homeless person at the drop of a pin.

He never said he would kill a homeless person at the drop of a pin. He said if he was attacked, he would fight back. That is simply how the world works, if someone makes an attempt on my life, I will make an attempt on theirs. If nobody defended themselves, everyone who enjoys attacking people will pretty much have all the power. Thats why people defend themselves. You have to stand up for yourself - some motherfucker puts a gun to my head and tells me to give him my money, then ill throw my wallet on the ground, and as he picks it up ill put a hole into his head.

This makes us look bad? I really dont see how this makes us look bad. People have a right to survive and defend themselves when neccesary. And it is true - around 1/2 of total crimes related to guns are with illegal firearms. And I bet most of that other half with legally purchased guns, were purchased by people who would be able to get an illegal gun if they wanted to. So making them illegal wouldnt do shit, other than keep them in the hands of criminals, and out of the hands of innocent people.
 
Deroxor started it. I love his one-liners by the way. I am not ignorant and don't even get into WWII. Before the Great War and until WWII we were an isolationist country. If the pussy French would learn to fight those wars would have been done with in a year or two. We declared war on Japan, so Germany declared war on us. I am not being arrogant as far as the United States' power...just stating the fact that we are the only World Superpower since the collapse of the USSR. I don't like Woodrow Wilson, nor FDR...he caused many problems in this country long-term. As far as Marijuana goes, I'll be sitting in a Vancouver Coffee shop as soon as I can. I have no problem with Canada whatsoever, I like Canada, but you have to accept the fact that we had a Revolution and freed ourselves from England. You did not and that is the reason why our governments differ so much.

BTW: Clinton put many new gun laws on in place, yet did not prosecute offenders in order to make guns look bad. Prosecutions for gun-related crimes has increased dramatically in the last 4 years. Just like drugs, make people pay for the misuse of objects that are not dangerous by themselves.
 
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Wow, I didn't know there actually were any people here running with arguments such as JTMarlins. They sound almost trollish...

It goes to reason that the more guns there are in society, the more they will be used. And while killing someone with a legally purchased gun is indeed idiotic (and yet something JTMarlin says he would not hesitate to do), it happens all the time. And those weapons get stolen, and people get killed with them.

Getting rid of at least a portion of the weapons in the homes would definitely reduce the number of people getting killed by guns. But for some people it seems more important to pay heed to a rather stupid 200-year old document.
 
JTMarlin ..

Did you know australia has gun control laws .. and let me fuckn tell you .. its fucken hard to get a gun in australia without pursuing legal avenues to get one.

Guns on the street for sale is very minimal.. But then again we dont have crazy aussies importing weapons to sell to our minors/friends/gansta's ..
lol.. Need a gun to protect yourself in your own town, but a canadian or australians dont need guns .. hmm .. i think you better stop with the gun bullshit and get back to the point. That being America trying to opress their political ideas on to other countries.

I really do hate to say it, and the world hates to hear it and hates us for it...but the US is the most powerful country since the Roman empire

You do know what happened to the empire... dont you ?
US maybe a economic power due to your out of control birth rate, but they are losing ground fast on the political front.
 
Australia is not America, we're just a unique country. Let me rephrase myself...murdering somebody with a legally purchased handgun is stupid. I have no remorse killing somebody who is attempting to hurt me. Guns are meant to be used when someone is assaulting you, not to just shoot people because you're fucked up in the head. Enough about guns, and stop bitching at me when that dumbass deroxor started it in the first place. And that 200 year old document is what allows free speech. Let me say it again GUNS and DRUGS and the ARGUMENTS ABOUT THEIR LEGALITY are the SAME.
 
I don't know why WWII got involved here, but I was referring to Iraq and Aghanistan. luckily we stated that we will not go to Iraq, and sure as shit the US of Arrogance went and pouted, then mysteriously enough they started trying to punish us economically. Just read the international headlines dealing with WTO. I think the WTO is just getting sick of the states, always having to rule against their bullshit again and again.

How about you Americans close your borders to our oil and natural gas?

Back on topic, what do you guys have to say about the the issue at hand? IMHO it's just fear. American Political leaders have probably bin sucking back as many dexies as there trigger happy pilots.
 
JTMarlin said:
Let me say it again GUNS and DRUGS and the ARGUMENTS ABOUT THEIR LEGALITY are the SAME.

I do not agree. Drugs can harm the person who uses them, and any harm that is done to other people is secondary, and a result (in my opinion) of the harm done to the user (eg an addict stealing to get enough money to buy more). Guns, by contrast, harm other people, and any harm done to the user is secondary (eg getting put in prison for shooting someone). If you believe, as i do, that people have the right to do what they want to themselves but not to other people, then that drugs should be legal but guns illegal is a very reasonable position.

I would also point out that, statistically, countries which have legal guns have higher rates of gun crime than those which don't (which i don't think should suprise anybody), so arguments that "the criminals would get guns anyway" seem a little contrived.
 
Oh, so we're onto the UN now...who has allowed Genocide to occur in the Sudan for months (it still is today, if anyone has the urge to go kill a few thousand people, here's your chance) without saying or doing anything about it because they were getting kick-backs from friends who happen to be leaders allowing the killing. Or the the UN that embezzled millions through an "Oil for Food" program. Or the UN that allowed Saddam Hussein to gas 300,000 Kurds. Again, if you harm others you should be PUNISHED HARSHLY, I don't care if it is with Chlorine gas or a hammer. If you enjoy target practice, skeet shooting, hunting, or self-protection you should be allowed to own a gun. If you harm others while under the influence of a drug or with a gun you should be punished.

Deroxor: You can't even spell the words fucking, three-year-old, and didn't...let alone use proper punctuation, yet I'm three-years-old. Okay, yeah sure.

Now, quit talking about guns because this is going to get the post shut down and do no good whatsoever. I like personal security, you like personal security. Our views of what that is exactly differ. Plain and simple. Now...on to the topic. Not many people import marijuana from Canada in the first place, the DEA is full of shit (as usual), even though you guys have killer bud...almost all the imports into the US is schwag from Mexico, the good stuff here is grown here. The government simply doesn't want to admit it.
 
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I have a solution to their 'problem'.
1. Legalize Marijuana in USA
2. Legalize Marijuana in Canada
3. Legalize it all over the world
4. Legalize all drugs.
 
"I would also point out that, statistically, countries which have legal guns have higher rates of gun crime than those which don't (which i don't think should suprise anybody), so arguments that "the criminals would get guns anyway" seem a little contrived."

Good point bemused.
Jt I'm sure you've seen Bowling fo... and remember when they displayed the murder by firearms satistics, the u.s.a had an extremely, EXTREMELY higher % than any other country. Canada being the lowest. I'm sure its a combinations of reasons why that is. I'm just saying maybe you should give that some thought.
 
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