RCs Which RC-Cathinones can be an alternatives of 4MMC?

[AlisaKirireshkina]

I live in the Netherlands. Have a lot of RC markets here, but my favorite substances like 3MMC, 4CMC is illegal now. I can find only 2MMC and 2CMC. Other cats more simular to Alpha-pvp. Is it possible to find alternative of pre-ban 4MMC?

Which substance did you tried?

 

[Coffeeshroom]

I don't do rc and the only cathinone done here is methcathinone but a quick search showed the following rc's available

• Mephedrone (4-MMC), M-CAT)
• Methylone
• Methcathinone
• Buphedrone
• Bupropion
• Pyrovalerone
• Alpha-Pyrrolidinovalerophenone (alpha-PVP) · MDPV.

Where ro get them I'm not sure but maybe have a look out for these if you haven't already lol

 

[AlisaKirireshkina]

I don't do rc and the only cathinone done here is methcathinone but a quick search showed the following rc's available

• Mephedrone (4-MMC), M-CAT)
• Methylone
• Methcathinone
• Buphedrone
• Bupropion
• Pyrovalerone
• Alpha-Pyrrolidinovalerophenone (alpha-PVP) · MDPV.

Where ro get them I'm not sure but maybe have a look out for these if you haven't already lol

I can buy 4MMC in darknet market, but I'm looking for legal variants. All of that is illegal in Netherlands. And Alpha-PVP, Pyrovalerones feels not like 4MMC. It's more like psychotronic weapons

 

[Dextro .45]

4-Chloromethcathinone (also known as 4-CMC and clephedrone)

I’ve seen listed online a lot ……has a chlorine instead of methyl at 4 position on phenyl ring and nearly identical properties on paper but in-vivo effects on human subjects could be very noticeable

4-Methyl-Methcathinone I’ve tried and was very pleasurable first batch …..other batches were sub par

Even RC chems …..if not synthesized properly and the desirable isomer ie dextro-Methylamphetamine (Desoxyn) its crap …..if you managed to procure 100% pharmaceutical grade 4-MMC it would blow your socks off

Each batch is different even from same Vendor….as they probably order from different labs in China. Some get seized other arrive….whats the end user receives, who the #*$& knows lol ….without professional lab analysis

Just see your family doc and explore options of ADHD medications as you were diagnosed as a child, but parent never wanted you medicated. As an adult you see it negatively effecting your life, work performance, personal relationships etc…..you’re wanting to explore the option of a Low Therapeutic dose of Methylphenidate (Ritalin) and a long acting formula so it lasts through the work day…..all positive things doctor will hear you say….has less abuse potential …..doc might even suggest something else, like Vyvanse which metabolizes into active d-Amphetamine

Even if doc gives you a non-stimulant I’d say sure doctor, if you think it will help I’ll try anything you recommend…..next appointment ya doc, sorry but it made me feel a little weird, slight headache and didn’t notice any improvements …..they will be more likely to then say ok, we can try you out on a low to moderate dose of X ….a real pharmaceutical amphetamine or Ritalin which both have robust mood-boosting/euphoric properties and increased vigilance, focus, etc….instead of some sketchy RC chem made in freaking China lol…..you’ll get a clean dopaminergic stimulant made in a clean pharmaceutical laboratory lol

 

[benson7]

I would be grateful to hear any first hand reports of using Clephedrone.

 

[dopamimetic]

• Bupropion

Ugh, they do now sell bupropion as an RC? That's a call for seizures.

 

[Chaurus]

From using 3-MMC I moved to smoking NEP for fap/chemsex after the ban here in The Netherlands.

Be warned, however it is a highly addicting ROA and NEP isn't anywhere near as good as 3-MMC.

 

[Esperighanto]

I don't do rc and the only cathinone done here is methcathinone but a quick search showed the following rc's available

• Mephedrone (4-MMC), M-CAT)
• Methylone
• Methcathinone
• Buphedrone
• Bupropion
• Pyrovalerone
• Alpha-Pyrrolidinovalerophenone (alpha-PVP) · MDPV.

Where ro get them I'm not sure but maybe have a look out for these if you haven't already lol

I know this post is a bit old, but I just want to mention that Bupropion is a common antidepressant in the USA. It could also be called N-tert-butyl-3-Chloromethcathinone. Afaik, there's no way to convert it back into 3-CMC without doing some seriously dangerous chemistry. Also, insufflating it (or even just eating too much) is almost guaranteed to kill by seizure, so please, people reading this in the future, be careful with specifically bupropion out of this list.

 

[Dextro .45]

Mephedrone / 4-MMC is the best substituted Cathinone (Khat) Beta-Ketone-Amphetamine….amazing how this natural alkaloid exists in a shrub native to the Horn of Africa

Or Papavier Somniferum (Opium Poppy) with its natural alkaloid, Morphine, Codiene, theBaine
Or the Coca shrubs in Columbia, Peru, Bolivia
Cannabis, Psilocybin, DMT

Ephedrine…….simple reduction Japan 1919 …..remove a single Hydroxy entity from its Phenylethylamine skeletal structure and what do you have?

Desoxyephedrine HCL (Desoxyn) - Methedrine 20 & 30mg glass ampoules for injection
Methylamphetamine- Ice, glass, shards, Tina, bikers coffee, go-go juice, Pervitin, Philipon ……most potent & pleasurable dopaminergic stimulant on earth

Benzedrine - Dexedrine - Methedrine
Ritalin (Methylphenidate)
Preludin (Phenmetrazine)
Cocaine (illicit)
Dexamyl & Desbutal

…..with the stimulant compounds however, you MUST have a euphoric Opioid, Oxycodone, Dilaudid or Diamorphine….PLUS a benzodiazepine like Valium + Xanax…..and Pregabalin

In an hour when you’re euphoric Superman…..you enjoy Gin cocktails and fresh Belmont cigarettes while totally LIT / SPUN / Fckn Faded ….but fully functional happy social outgoing and shinning like the Sun

 

[Syntherize]

Mephedrone / 4-MMC is the best substituted Cathinone (Khat) Beta-Ketone-Amphetamine….amazing how this natural alkaloid exists in a shrub native to the Horn of Africa

Or Papavier Somniferum (Opium Poppy) with its natural alkaloid, Morphine, Codiene, theBaine
Or the Coca shrubs in Columbia, Peru, Bolivia
Cannabis, Psilocybin, DMT

Ephedrine…….simple reduction Japan 1919 …..remove a single Hydroxy entity from its Phenylethylamine skeletal structure and what do you have?

Desoxyephedrine HCL (Desoxyn) - Methedrine 20 & 30mg glass ampoules for injection
Methylamphetamine- Ice, glass, shards, Tina, bikers coffee, go-go juice, Pervitin, Philipon ……most potent & pleasurable dopaminergic stimulant on earth

Benzedrine - Dexedrine - Methedrine
Ritalin (Methylphenidate)
Preludin (Phenmetrazine)
Cocaine (illicit)
Dexamyl & Desbutal

…..with the stimulant compounds however, you MUST have a euphoric Opioid, Oxycodone, Dilaudid or Diamorphine….PLUS a benzodiazepine like Valium + Xanax…..and Pregabalin

In an hour when you’re euphoric Superman…..you enjoy Gin cocktails and fresh Belmont cigarettes while totally LIT / SPUN / Fckn Faded ….but fully functional happy social outgoing and shinning like the Sun

Telling people to combine stims with opioids and benzos is a recipe for disaster, especially when they are this naive.

 

[xdrc]

Mephedrone / 4-MMC is the best substituted Cathinone (Khat) Beta-Ketone-Amphetamine….amazing how this natural alkaloid exists in a shrub native to the Horn of Africa

4-MMC is not natural. Khat contains cathinone, which neither has a methyl group on the phenyl ring nor on the nitrogen.

 

[Dextro .45]

Natural alkaloid is found in Khat (beta ketone amphetamine)…..and YES…..Cathinone is a natural amphetamine found in Khat shrub near the Horn of Africa

 

[Dextro .45]

Not telling anyone…..that’s just MY personal cocktail

And yes……an oral Speedball / Brompton Cocktail ROCKS …..my last meal requested with a cigarette & drink

Oxycodone IR 5-10mg
Ritalin (Methylphenidate) 10-20mg
Alprazolam (Xanax) 0.5mg
Diazepam (Valium) 10mg
Pregabalin (Lyrica) 150mg

…a 200lbs healthy adult male could safety tolerate this cocktail …..with Ritalin MPH 20mg IR providing the cardio safe CNS stimulation needed, with non-sedating, moderately stimulating opioid Oxycodone IR, while anxiolytic & antidepressant Xanax + anxiolytic & muscle relaxant Valium + anticonvulsant Lyrica provide a euphoric outgoing sociable feeling

All low therapeutic doses of each compound, each balancing out others, dopaminergic stimulant MPH + euphoric non-sedating opioid Oxycodone + low dose Benzo & Gabapentinoid = Euphoric anxiolytic Bliss

My weekly cocktail for 20+ years ….sometimes daily after work ….although higher doses after 20+ years of tolerance

Not for some 16 year old high school kid…..a tolerant adult male prescribed these compounds….Pffft….low therapeutic doses with different MOA’s perfectly safe and have been doing it for 20+ years