Oh ROXIanne! said:
Generally I don't find psychedelics disorentating. There are a few exceptions such as a nearly lethal dose of 25B or mega-dosing LSD. The most recent instance occured on 40mgs/40mgs of 4-HO-MET/MiPT(a fairly reasonable dose given my tolerance at the time). My S/O and I where about 3 miles down a trail that wraps around a lake. We were having a great time when out of nowhere she stops dead in her tracks and whispers TURN AROUND NOW!!! This girl loves to hike but has an extreme phobia of wild animals. I guess she spotted two rather large wild dogs/coyotes feasting on the hill. Anyways, we start power walking towards the car all the while she was crying, looking over her shoulder thinking that they were following us. I assure her that they were gone and even if they did follow us our .357 magnum would at least scare them off(keep in mind that she carries the gun when I am tripping).
About half way back I noticed that she was on the verge of a full blown asthma attack and remembered that her inhaler was in the car. This is what did me in, I thought I was going to have to carry this girl who weighed about 160 pounds(10 pounds heavier than I at the time) 1.5 miles up hill in 90° weather. Finally I get her to take a break long enough to catch her breath. I was slowly heading toward a full blown freakout yet was able to keep my composition until we got to the car. There was a rather large family in the parking lot who I was convinced were there to save this poor, hyperventilating girl who was crying her eyes out from the mad man out of his mind on obscure chemicals. Upon reaching the car I basically became catatonic. I did not know who I was nor was I able to mutter more than a few random words, thank god it wore off in a couple hours. All of this goes to show how important your setting is during a trip. I would have been fine on the same dose at home but those random events left me absolutely shell shocked, producing one of the worst trips of my life.
I apologize for the long post. I've always wanted to write a proper TR for this one but really want to improve my punctuation/grammar beforehand.
Mmm, nearly lethal doses.... I think that's a kind of disorientation I can do without lol.
That is quite fascinating how big of an impact that situation had on your trip, but it makes perfect sense. I don't think I've ever really had any stresses to deal with that were that strong while also tripping, but I can imagine how they would be blown up to critical proportions if I did, and then things could get a bit haywire. I'm glad you didn't have to carry her or anything.... The whole situation sounds quite anxious, lucky it was fine in the end.
Hm, so what you're saying is, I need to seek out super stressful situations while tripping hard if I want to really push myself out there, yesss....
No need to apologize either, I enjoyed your post.
LSD and shrooms combined can be quite mind bending
Agreed.
I refer you back to my previous post on this subject in this thread lol.
It's hard to say since my one successful attempt at IMing it was in combination with MXE, but I'm pretty sure IMing it made a big difference versus insufflation or plugging (as others in that thread attest). I highly recommend 4-AcO-DPT regardless, but for your interests and ROA predilections I think DPT should definitely be your next target. One can get pretty out their snorting DPT from what I've read, but damn it's a lot of powder -- and DPT is meant for IMing if anything is.
MXP differs from MXE fairly dramatically. MXE is far more ketamine-like, with distinctive anesthetic qualities, whereas MXP is more spacey, with a buzz more centered in the head, and all sorts of oddness. Read the big and dandy threads before jumping in to the phenidines. They're interesting as options but I wouldn't go heavy into them.
Well snorting DPT is next in line for me, so that works out just fine.
It's not that I'm entirely against needles.... I have IMed DMT before. It's just not really something I'd like to do regularly, and I've also never done it by myself. I have heard that about DPT as well though. One of these days I'll have to try it that way... and 4-AcO-DPT as well.
It sounds to me like I would probably like MXE a lot more, as I found ketamine to be just lovely and I would definitely be looking for something similar in another dissociative, particularly if I were to use it with psychedelics. The name MXP is quite deceiving, I had assumed it might be more similar, heh. I'll definitely look into those threads, thanks for the heads up!
Definitely. Taken a high dose of shrooms and a moderate dose of acid and I was confused as hell. Staring at my reflection in the mirror and thinkin why is my brother lookin at me through the mirror. And on the comedown a trillion rushin thoughts all too confusing.
Hahaha, I've definitely been out there enough to mistake my own reflection for someone else! I really need to give this combination some more tries. X) Currently the ratios I've used are more LSD than mushrooms and about equal doses, so maybe next time I'll try more mushrooms than LSD like you did....
pretty much all psychedelics can be mentally disorienting given the chance but the ones to do it most reliably for me seem to be certain members of the 4-substututed tryptamines. 4-ho-mipt, 4-aco-dmt, and of course psilocin seem particularily apt at making me say "what the fuck?" Strangely enough I've had stronger trips on substances such as DPT which I wouldn't really classify as disorienting. I guess since we're talking about psychedelics disorienting is a relative term.
That's really interesting, because I found 4-HO-MiPT to be one of the most lucid, though it was hinting at becoming very out-of-body or hyperspatial the last time I took it, so I definitely think I need to try it again at a higher dose.... How would you classify DPT exactly? So far the consensus seems to be from what I've heard that it can be pretty mind-boggling. I feel you on how any psychedelic can potentially get you there too... but there are definitely some that do it better than others. But honestly I had one of my most mental trips ever TFMPP, though it was in no way enjoyable. It felt like the visuals of maybe 1/8th of a hit of LSD but the ego dissociation of like 6 or 7. Very nasty though, just cold and alien and quite physically unpleasant....
my HBWR experiences were a long time ago so i don't remember for sure, but i think that night i had eaten 8 or 9 seeds. i never scraped the outside either btw, i would just chew them up whole -- that may have added to the psychosis.
btw i found the boot on my walk back home. it was a child's boot. there was only a single boot wedged into a snow bank. it seemed significant enough that i tmust have been the trick to opening the door i guess. *shrugs*
HBWR has also given me more ++++'s than any other substance. but its not worth the risk of legitimate insanity for me. did it a few times, had fun, probably won't do it again (at least not at the doses i was taking).
now, if i could find a good source for Rivea Corymbosa seeds again, though..... those were amazing. a few times i ordered them shortly after they were harvested and they were divine.
Hmm, well I may give them another shot, that sounds a lot more pleasant than eating all those morning glory seeds anyway.... Do you really feel that they could drive you *that* crazy? I mean don't get me wrong... I have heard of someone being sent into a weeks-long psychosis from them, so I'm not doubting you lol. I'm just not used to hearing people describe them as that powerful from those kinds of doses, I've definitely heard of higher (though pushing into physical worry). I would love to try the Rivea, I've always wanted to but just never seen them in stock anywhere.... Would you be willing to provide some compare and contrast versus the other LSA plants? I've always been curious about them but it's so rare that I see anything written about them.
That's hilarious about the boot too, hahaha. I can definitely get how it would seem important though, too many times I've been in those situations on psychedelics where things just seem a little TOO perfect, even if they're total nonsense. xD
have you even taken too much DXM and lost your mind to the point where you just lay there not knowing what's going on or who you are? 3-MeO-PCP can take me to that point, but its got enough dopaminergic action too that rather than just laying there i end up feeling stimulated and i get up and walk around and do crazy shit.
low doses of 3-MeO-PCP are amazing and vivid, but there is a very fine line that once i cross it i just go bat shit crazy heh. if i ever do order it again i'm going to stick to doses under 15mg.
If you count mixing DXM with a small amount of LSD, then yes I have lol. I once had a trip where I spent the whole peak convinced that I was locked in an insane asylum cell floating through a spirit dimension.... I wasn't even hallucinating that much at all, just incredibly mind-warped. That actually makes the 3-MeO-PCP sound pretty fantastic to me, but I'll definitely have to get a sitter for it.... Have you ever tried mixing it with psychedelics as well?
It was a very disjointed experience for lack of better words. During the entire peak when I turned my head, I couldn't even connect what I was seeing to what was in my field of vision before I turned my head just a second ago. For me this was too much mindfuck, but maybe the OP will appreciate the experience.
Literally this exact same thing happened to me when I took equal amounts of LSD and mushrooms!! And yes, I loved every second of it hehe. I was also mumbling to myself the entire time, but I was hearing my voice coming through the wall, interpreted as people talking in the room next to me. My vision was also triangular (top-heavy), with the very edges of it showing fractals cascading off into oblivion.... It was wonderful, the whole experience was really....
When I first started tripping, I got more more disorienting trips than now. You learn to navigate these states of mind better and better with experience. For me this lead to much more useful, lucid and pleasant trips where I took more out of it, and I definitely prefer them nowadays. But some of those early mindfuck trips were epic, so I get why you would want to revisit that place.
I get that too, but sometimes it almost feels like my psychedelics have followed a boomerang path, and the person who threw it failed to catch it when it came back. My first trips were fairly disorienting, and then they became lucid for a while, and now they're actually becoming more mental AND more hallucinogenic than ever before; I feel like I have some kind of severe reverse tolerance with psychedelics sometimes. I can take a dose of LSD that previously I could've taken three times as much and been very lucid, and now be out of my mind to the point of even blacking out and having my ego pulverized into oblivion. It definitely depends on the setting though too, and I think if I tripped more often again like I did back then it might switch back into being more lucid....
In the interest of harm reduction it should be mentioned that everything in this thread is aimed at experienced trippers who take the necessary precautions for these kind of trips. Apart from set & setting a sitter is recommended. I personally had PTSD like symptoms for years after a strong mind bending trip went south. When I would tell someone about it in detail, my body would start to tremble involuntarily.
Good call on this, thanks for this post.
That sounds really rough too.... I need to make sure I never let myself forget the importance of perfect set and setting.
