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which of these two different highs best describe your cocaine buzz?

In Canada - *A* until 2002. *B* since then. It's why I stopped doing it.

Cuba - *A* All the fucking time. [EDITED-Keep it to the price thread please] a gram (and I'm sure that was a "shitty" deal for me.. cheaper is possible I'm sure)

Costa Rica - *A* as recent as 2004.



What's fun about staring at the walls for 8 hours? (if you're a tweaker, don't answer ;) )
 
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Junk, I love your ideas and info. Wish you could come and purify my stuff.

I will agree with Thursday on one thing (although I think the presence of meth or ephedra will alter the experience big time) that its simply not either A or B. Its never one or the other

This is from MD.

euphoric: somewhat not always
talkative: Y
feeling of clarity: Y
feeling of impowerment Y
strong sexual desire YYYYY!
warm body rush Y
openess Y
no "crash" NO! Horrible. Cannot sleep without xanex
no feinding depends
nothing really negative very negative on comedown


Type B cocaine after more than 2 hours of use:

untalkative N
ampy Y
edgy Y
uncomfortable Sometimes
geeky what do you mean?
heart racing Y
paranoid Sometimes
lack of sexual desire N
feinding depends
wish you'd never have done the first line sometimes
 
B ... some A , Well , ive had some boom coke, that makes my whole face numb in a few seconds and then theres the bad coke.. more B then A up here in Canada ontario
 
Le Junk said:
Now, when I was getting type A on a regualar basis, I would tend to party for a two to three day period straight, so that would be in direct contradiction of th statement.

I think it only applies to two lines and then quiting.

So, so true. For a while back many years ago Melbourne was getting some darn good A coke (no where near as good as you lucky bastards stateside, but good none-the-less.

I'd think nothing of going 3-4 days on it, and felt great afterwards.

Then there was a massive supply shortage, prices when sky-high and quality hit rock-bottom. For a while there a lot of coke heads in Melbourne started smoking meth. What was around made you feel shit straight away (like I do if I touch speed)

Thankfully it now seems now the quality has come right back up, but the price is still over-inflated.
 
sonicnature said:
Melbourne, Australia.

A - every single time.

That's what you think. aussies and euro's get type "C" for crap coke. type A belongs to south america and parts of the US like Socal, Arizona, Texas, and Florida. type "A" in aussie is bullshit. you guys don't have the connections.
 
I've had both. Good Cocaine is hard to find, but you'll never forget it when you do, and everytime after that when you get type "B," you'll regret ever buying it.
 
Ohio, B for sure. I mean I blew a half gram in about 30 mins to 1hour and i was like i totally fucking regret wasting my money on this :D
 
In Atlanta you have to know the right people. If you don't have a good source you will most often get B, but A is around. I'm not really into uppers anymore but I could get A pretty consistently.
 
type "A" in aussie is bullshit. you guys don't have the connections.
Most of the cocaine in Australia is manufactured in South east Asia so I suspect it would reach Australia mostly uncut. As for the quality of synthesis used in places like Indonesia vs. South America, I can't comment. But I don't think it's reasonable to say the stuff we're getting is always crap. As a point of reference I've had great coke in Perth, Australia (world's most isolated city) and shitty coke in Florida. I think it depends on your connections, as you say.
 
I've had spectacular coke in Australia...and I've had shit coke in the UK, but I've also had coke that makes Aussie good stuff seem like whiz fizz in the UK...I've had great US stuff and shit US gear...so it is all about connections.
 
aunty establishment said:
Most of the cocaine in Australia is manufactured in South east Asia so I suspect it would reach Australia mostly uncut. .

That's news to me. SE asia producing coca plants, huh? i think you've got your poppy and coca plants mixed up.
 
Cocaine is an integral part of the world economy. Its street price reflects the competitive pressures of today's global marketplace. In the past few decades, cocaine has become a significant export-earner for many poor South American countries, notably Peru, Bolivia and Colombia. South America currently exports some 1000 tons of refined cocaine per year. Smugglers can be quite ingenious. In recent years, US federal narcotics officials have seized $450,000 worth of cocaine moulded into dog kennels; and detained a consignment of sickly boa constrictors stuffed with cocaine-filled condoms.

Cocaine is now a leading export earner for Jamaica. Phil Sinkinson, Britain's deputy high commissioner to the island, was asked (2nd Jan 2002) on BBC Radio 4 Today programme to comment on newspaper claims that one in every ten air passengers travelling from Jamaica to the UK was a cocaine carrier or "drug mule". He replied: "Probably an estimate on the low side."

In the twentieth century, coca was grown commercially in Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Indonesia, Nigeria, Malaysia and Japan. The first cocaine cartel was formed, not in Colombia, but in Amsterdam. Founded in 1910, the Cocaine Manufacturers Syndicate included pharmaceutical giants Merck, Sandoz and Hoffman-LaRoche. At present, however, most production occurs in clandestine laboratories in South America.
<http://cocaine.org/cokebrik.htm>
 
I believe that the cocaine experience is strongly influenced by your mood and expectations.

It is possible to buy a two gram rock of cocaine, crush and split it, take the first gram one weekend and have a good euphoric experience (Le Junk's "A" category) and take the second gram the following weekend and have a tense and edgy experience (Le Junk's "B" category).

My experience is that the high is better the less you are bothered about it. The more you care, the worse it is. The best highs ever have been from lines taken within minutes of waking up.

As it is possible for good cocaine to cause both "A" and "B" experiences at different times, Le Junk's idea loses much of its credibility.

clop
 
Nice article thursday, but i say bullshit to your article and that link. It's got zero sources. just words and speculation.

you show me real studies through legit public, private, or government organizations that coke is being produced in SE asia. i'm asian and i have a ton of asian friends traveling and living throughout asia and coke is never on the drug menu.
 
i'm asian as well. and when i was in taiwan last winter coke seemed to be in abundant supply, and the quality wasn't too shabby either. coke, along with ecstasy, are amongst the most popular drugs in taiwan atleast, and when i was back we were doing on average an 8-ball every night between 4-5 people, and it was always free.

in any case, 80% of the cocaine produced today comes from central america, but there's still a 20% that comes from other areas.

The Netherlands first experimented with coca in Java in the mid-1880s, but like others these colonial efforts went dormant. Yet suddenly after 1905, officially encouraged, the island sprouted dozens of modern hyper-productive coca plantations, and by 1912 more than 1,000 tons of Javan high-alkaloid leaf a year effectively wiped Andean coca from European ports. Amsterdam’s central state-sponsored “NCF” cocaine works (the Nederlandsche Cocainefabriek, which formed as German patents ran out on advanced cocaine-extraction methods) became the world’s dominant producer of the drug. After World War I, and a telling crisis of over-production, the NCF became a leg of now League-sanctioned European cocaine supply and pricing syndicates. Yet, with poor prospects, and the pioneering Dutch commitment to ideals of international institutional cooperation (as in The Hague), the Netherlands voluntarily dismantled their cocaine empire in the late 1920s. Java still raised coca in the 1930s–even Merck N.J., wary of Peruvian leaf quality, invested in its own plantation there.
As the Dutch role faded, the imperial sun of industrializing Japan took off–this time, in an Asian response to League and American norms. Japan planted its first colonial coca on Taiwan in 1916 and by the late 1920s, with leading national chemists like Jokichi Takamine at the helm, was making upwards of three tons of cocaine a year–i.e., half of official world medicinal needs. In 1917, in a fascinating jump across global commodity chains, Hoshi Pharmaceuticals purchased a massive tract in Peru’s Huallaga valley, near Tingo María, where it found raw material, and perhaps know-how, until they got expropriated in 1937. Some of Japan’s largest drug firms, exploiting military ties, forged this cocaine (and even weightier heroin) network, which peaked during the 1930s, supported by faked official drug statistics and retail markets across Asia, some involving evidently shadowy or coerced sales. From the start, Japanese cocaine raised alarm bells in the U.S. and League offices (and Narcotics sales later raised serious questions at the Tokyo War-Crimes Trials).
[...]
Overall, many legacies and paradoxes emerged from this transitional period, 1910-1940. The biggest and lasting change was the American transformation from a world coca promoter to a would-be global crusader against cocaine. Yet, for a country that vaunted from the start supply or externally based anti-drug strategies, the U.S. achieved greatest success in drying up cocaine use within its borders. On the outside, anti-cocaine ideas were spreading (mainly as a conflated lesser kin of Narcotics) but were never taken too seriously by allies, the League, much less by actual producer countries. Paradoxically, these paper international sanctions coincided with the swift diversification of world cocaine networks to Java and Japan–though, such supply “ballooning” now seems the norm of drug repression.
<http://wwics.si.edu/topics/docs/gootenberg-wp251.pdf>

Rather than vanish, cocaine divided into a trio of more politically-constructed and geographically-defined global commodity chains. The first was an unexpected Dutch colonial-mercantilist Java-European chain, which by 1915 swiftly displaced Peruvian producers. The second was Japan’s state-promoted and shadowy pan-Asian circuit, launched in the 1920s-30s in response to League and industrial imperatives.
[...]
The speed of the Dutch rise to predominance in world coca and cocaine trades took the world by surprise, especially the Peruvians, who in 1900 still felt they enjoyed a natural (Incan) birthright to the global coca market. In 1904 Dutch Java (now of Indonesia) exported only 26 tons of coca leaf; this soared to 800 in 1912 and a mass industrial supply of 1,700 tons in 1920, to a glutted world market. The Dutch built an especially productive and integrated industrial cocaine regime, yet it was also dismantled by decree almost as quickly as it arose.
[...]
Dutch scientific-commercial interest in coca dates to the 1850s, but plantings began in the mid-1880s when such botanical experiments spread among the European colonial powers. One advantage was accidental: the abnormally high-alkaloid coca-bush Javan planters got from the colonial botanical gardens at Buitenzorg descended from one strand of Peruvian Erythroxylon novogranatense, originally from Kew. It contained twice (up to 1.5%) the cocaine content of quality Huánuco leaf but in a tricky to refine ecgonine crystallized form, practically useless for herbal coca products. Given Peru’s rapid move into crude cocaine in the 1885-1900 era, not much interest was evinced in Javan coca, though small lots reached European markets.
After 1900, several factors suddenly focused Dutch interest in coca/cocaine, spurred on by national botanical specialists like de Jong and Reens. One was establishment in 1900 of Amsterdam’s large state-bank subsidized “Nederlandsch Cocainefabrieck (NCF), based on copying advanced German patents for ecgonine-cocaine extraction. The second were steady investments in plantation productivity and quality. Cheap Chinese field labor, four-crops yearly, economies of scale and technical rationalization, inter-cropping with colonial rubber and tea projects, all made Javan plantation efficiency dwarf the haphazard peasant-style coca culture of the Andes. By 1911 they captured a quarter of the world market, filtered through Amsterdam into a high-margin fully-integrated cocaine industry World War I spurred further European reliance on this coca corridor. Dutch industrial-grade coca also made it to Japan, Belgium, France and even to the United States; in the 1920s, impressed by its reliable quality, New Jersey Merck acquired its own Javan plantation, which performed well into the 1930s. Three world “cores”of cocaine now existed: Darmstadt, northern New Jersey and Amsterdam, with an enlarged NCF the biggest single producer. Together, they dramatically reduced prospects for Peruvian coca (wiped off of European markets from 1908-15) and crude cocaine (confined to a now struggling German sector). Peruvian coca/cocaine export values dropped by some 95% by the 1920s. Peruvians watched these developments helplessly, without the time, capital or technical expertise to respond.
[...]
By 1920, Japan itself produced more than 4,000 lbs. of cocaine, which then doubled to 8,000 by 1922. Officials figures for the 1930s shrunk to just under 2,000 lbs., if considered by some historians and contemporary League officials as doctored for international consumption. (This is a hard charge to prove, though Karch has tried by putative estimates of coca-alkaloid capacity.) Exports across Asia officially dropped to negligible levels, though complaints registered about Japanese firms and reporting, as well as cases of deliberate smuggling (such as the “Fujitsuru” and “Taiwan Governor” brand vials in India). Other specialists have noted growing diplomatic cooperation between Japan and international drug officials, at least until the invasions of Manchuria and China, when opiates became a major issue. The firms making cocaine and morphine were among Japan’s largest: Hoshi, Sankyo, Koto and Shiongo Pharmaceuticals, and enjoyed growing links to major trading trusts (such as Mitsui and Mitsubishi) and to interlocking governmental, colonial and military officials. In 1934, we know that Taiwan’s Kagi district kept 694 acres under intensive coca cultivation (by Taiwan Shoyaku and Hoshi); earlier plots on Iowa Jima and Okinawa fall off the record. About 300,000 pounds of Formosan leaf were harvested annually in the late 1930s. Peruvian imports were officially discontinued in 1938 (in fact, Peru nationalized Tulumayo, which had a colorful subsequent history of its own).
<http://www.stanford.edu/group/sshi/Conferences/2001-2002/GlobalTrade2001/gootenberg.pdf>

there's no doubt that most of the coke production today is in central america, but clearly there are other regions with the right kind of climate and political environment where coke can be produced.

and i think it's very unlikely that good coke is only available in the americas considering that thousands of kilos turn up in government seizures each year all over the world. it really all depends on how much money you have and who you know. if you're rich enough you can find high potency cocaine in pretty much any continent.
 
thursday said:
i'm asian as well. and when i was in taiwan last winter coke seemed to be in abundant supply, and the quality wasn't too shabby either. coke, along with ecstasy, are amongst the most popular drugs in taiwan atleast, and when i was back we were doing on average an 8-ball every night between 4-5 people, and it was always free.

in any case, 80% of the cocaine produced today comes from central america, but there's still a 20% that comes from other areas.


20% of all coke is from Asia? i don't think so. Are you sure it was coke? Was it type A, B, or C? I know E is popular in certain asian countries now, but not nearly as popular or available as europe or north america.

I have a ton of friends all over asia including taiwan and no one has ever found or done coke there. i still don't believe the 20% figure, but we can agree to disagree, k? good coke in taipei? lol!
 
AznRaver said:
20% of all coke is from Asia? i don't think so. Are you sure it was coke? Was it type A, B, or C? I know E is popular in certain asian countries now, but not nearly as popular or available as europe or north america.

I have a ton of friends all over asia including taiwan and no one has ever found or done coke there. i still don't believe the 20% figure, but we can agree to disagree, k? good coke in taipei? lol!
i didn't say 20% of all coke comes from asia, although that's definitely a possibility. all i said is that if 80% of today's cocaine is produced in central america, then the other 20% has to be from other regions. it's simple math.

and i'm not sure i'm familiar with your classification system. i am sure what i had in taiwan was cocaine though and that there is in fact good coke in many asian countries if you can find the connections. but hey, if your friends can't find coke where they live then it must not exist in those countries...
 
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