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Which is your favourite empathogen, not counting MDMA?

Docus

Docus

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Discuss which empathogen/entactogen you like most. Pros and cons, how "damaging" do they feel, how europhoric do they feel, which gives you the most empathy.

Note that the question DOES NOT imply 'which comes closest to MDMA'.

To help you along your way, here is a list with the most prominent empathogens.

MMAI
MDAI
MDMAI
AET
MBDB
bk-MDMA
4-MTA
4-MMC
MMA
bk-PMMA
MDAT
MDMAT
6-CAT
MDA
MDEA
 
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I like the goal of this thread. :)

We need a good discussion on the varied effects of all of these drugs. Unfortunately, having not tried any of these yet, I don't have anything to contribute. I am very interested in following this though.

Some of you BL'ers must have tried a bunch of these!
 
This dose sound very intresting, since all i have really hurd of , experiance wise,(over the last 3 months i have been resurching) in any real length IS MDMA.
Are any of the others leagal? or come in a leagal form?
Are they All "verations" of MDMA?
How do they work compaired to MDMA?
Thankyou so much for putting this up. I am curious about this!

XOXOX
 
I noticed that MDA and MDEA are not in your list or title. Would you group them with MDMA or are they runners as well?
 
rocker97x said:
I noticed that MDA and MDEA are not in your list or title. Would you group them with MDMA or are they runners as well?
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Sure, they can be runners. I'll edit my original post to include, thanks for pointing that out.

I'll begin by sharing my methylone experiences.

I took them in pill form (the infamous london underground doves, which purportedly contain methylone).
The come-up was gradual, not the usual "anxious burst of euphoria" more commonly attributed to other Mdxx-like drugs. The general feeling was one of empathy, easy-goingness, feeling like every stranger in the room is a friend you haven't met yet. There was a platform on the dance floor, and I'm not usually the person to go out and dance on the platforms, but under the influence of methylone I just couldn't resist going up there. Instead of dancing however, I looked at the crowd below me, smiling and probably looking like an idiot, but it felt very emancipating at the same time. Someone noticed my eyes and shouted up "YO, ROLLING BALLS EH?" and I smiled and nodded. I stepped down from the stage and offered him my cigarettes, and he gave me a hug. So, apparently, people thought I was on MDMA.

Throughout the eve I chatted with lots of random strangers, who weren't rolling themselves but probably had done so in the past, and they welcomed me with open arms, or at least that was the impression I got.

The duration of the experience doesn't last very long however. The plateau must've been scarcely 2 hours, quickly fading away from relaxed-yet-stimulated euphoria to a feeling of emptiness and a strong desire to redose. I didn't, and went home earlier than planned.

The following 2 days I felt very depressed and tried 5-HTP to soothe the feeling. I was back to normal on the third day, anxious to do it again next weekend. I did exactly that, and again I had pretty much the same experience. Hoping to preserve the magic, I refrained from using it the next couple of months.

Pros: empathy, relaxed state of mind, openness, zero chance of having a bad trip
cons: short duration, no afterglow whatsoever, somewhat addictive, immediate crash even though it was my first time using
other: no psychedelia whatsoever

Report for MDAI due in a few weeks.
MDAI is reported to be non-neurotoxic, a strong serotonin releaser, with zero peripheral effects on dopamine and norepinephrine.
 
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So amazed said:
This dose sound very intresting, since all i have really hurd of , experiance wise,(over the last 3 months i have been resurching) in any real length IS MDMA.
Are any of the others leagal? or come in a leagal form?
Are they All "verations" of MDMA?
How do they work compaired to MDMA?
Thankyou so much for putting this up. I am curious about this!

XOXOX
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Most of these are legal in some way or form. Some, like mephedrone and other methcathinone relatives (AKA the 'drones') have become illegal in the UK after becoming too popular and attracting too much media attention, but they are still available from many online vendors.

Some of them, like MDAI and MDMAI, were developed with the specific purpose of finding an MDMA 'replacement' by teams of scientists, intended to be used for testing on lab rats. Some of these turned out to be less neurotoxic than MDMA, or not neurotoxic at all. That doesn't mean they're safe however, any serotonin releaser can cause serotonin burnout when used excessively.

As for how they work, most empathogens have a common mechanism: they are serotonin releasers.

None of them act as real 'replacements' for MDMA. They are all different drugs that may feel similar to MDMA itself, but it's best to treat them as seperate drugs 'on their own', because, as any MDMA user can tell you, no empathogen feels exactly the same (or better) than good old MDMA. That's why I wanted people to refrain from comparing the empathogens I listed with MDMA.
 
Unfortunately I've never tried any of the other classical MDMA like substances. Although I would love to try MDAI and methylone. I would also consider combining them together once I become more accustomed to using them. =D

I will however, add another substance to the list; LSA. Specifically Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds. I've done them with a wide variety of people and almost everyone agreed that they definitely provide a feeling of empathy, acceptance and entactogensis (does a word like that even exist? If not, it should). While the effects are definitely not as in your face as with MDMA, they can definitely be felt. When I am on LSA, I am usually very accepting and able to overcome normal conditioned evolutionary social responses (I am normally very accepting - but you get the idea :)). Let me give you an example, me and my friends D and A were cruising with an acquaintance and his friend V trying to get some bud. Me and A where both on around 7 pretty strong HBWR seeds. V was supposed to explain how to get to the dealer's place, but he was acting really incompetent - pretending to know which way to go even though it was obvious he didn't know where we were. My friend D started bitching about what a big fuckup V was (in English - the others only spoke Russian) and so on. At first I wanted to agree with him, but then I considered that if I had know V for 10 years I would easily ignore this negative aspect of his character and something as trivial as not knowing how to give directions shouldn't make me judge him with such ease.

I felt a feeling of acceptance and understanding towards V even though I had just met him and he was jeopardizing our quest to get some bud. While the feelings of acceptance/empathy aren't as intense as with MDMA they are definitely there.

I also get pretty powerful entactogensis on LSA/HBWR. I am able to think about the negative aspects of my personality with calm ease and in a constructive manner.

While LSA/HBWR's empathy has a slight psychedelic edge to it, I wouldn't say the the feelings of empathy are primarily psychedelic in nature. For instance, with LSD I also get feelings of empathy - but I would describe those feelings as stemming from a kind of a universal consciousness. You understand that we are part of the same thing and that it's pointless to get into an extremely egoistical mode of being. On the other hand, LSA's empathy seems to be a lot more personal and almost has a subtly tender edge to it.

I'll agree with Docus that it's highly unlikely (at least in the short/medium term) that we will discover a better MDMA than MDMA. While I really enjoy LSA and a variety of psychedelics, sometimes it's just nice to experience the clear awesomeness of MDMA love. =)
 
The only one I've tried is mephedrone, which I found very similar to MDMA. In fact I'd go so far as to say that if you weren't looking for the difference and ignored the difference in duration, most people would easily mistake 250mg of 4-mmc (consumed orally, since nasally it tends to be somewhat speedier) for MDMA, perhaps with a little amphetamine mixed in.

250mg bombed, followed by another 250mg 2 or 3 hours later, provided a solid 5 - 6 hours of a very strong, empathic, euphoric MDMA-esque high. The crash seemed much milder (although the fact that I'd mostly abstained from similar drugs in the previous 12 months probably helped), and I didn't notice any significant fiending. If you 'were' looking for differences, I'd say there were slight differences in the high, as noted the duration is shorter by an hour or so, the comeup is more gradual (instead of the sudden rush of 'hooooooly shit here we go!' from MDMA), and the slightly psychadelic aspect of MDMA (the enhancement of light/color/sound/touch) was less noticeable. It's also slightly speedier, although without the twitchy, shaking body high that combinations of MDMA and amphetamine can induce.
 
MDA is awesome. Unfortunately, its the only one on the list that I've tried, but its like a slightly speedier version of MDMA with some good visuals.
 
trainwreckmolly said:
MDA is awesome. Unfortunately, its the only one on the list that I've tried, but its like a slightly speedier version of MDMA with some good visuals.
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For me MDA is more than just "good visuals". Ive had full blown hallucinations on MDA from seeing a flowing river rapids in the neighbors yard to a giant cloud of never ending birds in the sky.
 
I saw my reply in this thread and i was like, i must have been fucked up because i have no recolection of that. then i noticed the date :|

At the time i responded to that, i hadn't tried any of these, but now ive tried mephedrone and mdpv (if you consider that empathogenic) each once. The mephedrone was phenominal, probably as good as mdma imo
 
The only one Ive had in large enough doses to count as consuming is MDMA.
I had a pill that contained some MDA I believe, but that's just based on the what I was told that by bluelighters. They came to the conclusion based on me having some peripheral visuals in the form of colors.
 
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