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which is the best pill testing site?

CuriousCub

CuriousCub

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the ones i know of:
pillreports
dancesafe
ecstasydata
Are there anymore out there??
i didn't even know ecstasydata.org was in existence till a friend linked me a day ago -is this a new one?
I don't want to comb through site after site for the best testing info -which is considered the best of the 3?
 
ok, so i just read
"About EcstasyData.org
Launched out of Dancesafe's laboratory pill testing program in July 2001, EcstasyData.org is an independent project, co-sponsored by Erowid, Dancesafe, MAPS, & the Promind Foundation. "
So this site derives from dancesafe--for what purpose tho? they both handle the same things....
 
I think he was just offering an alternative, I certainly don't think it's the best. Pillreports does the same thing and does it better, or more comprehensive at least, though that might be because it's better known. As far as testing results really I think there's one and one only, and that's the dancesafe/ecstasydata thing. Pillreports is more the subjective experience.
 
Originally posted by masheadatronic:
LOL im a moderator on pillreports....... thats the best one of course!
Err...please explain why tho. interested in your perspective...
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Pillreports is the most comprehensive site on the quality of pills. So if you can't find a pill anywhere else it's a good chance that you'll find it there. Unfortunately it's all subjective + a smattering of EZ tests. It's always nice to look on the others to see if you can find it there and have a much better idea about what you're taking.
 
Pill reports is what I would call a fairly comprehensive data base and it has 18000 members? I think or somewhere around that many, I first found the testing at ecstasy.org ages ago and I thought that was good but a lot of the reports it was hard to tell stuff about and people have to pick set options rather than putting in their own information.
Then I found pillreports and was impressed with the fact that it is used by many people regularly and that it has a good ratings system that if people follow correctly it can be beneficial to those who try and find out information, it is also searchable in a few different ways which I think is a big plus, the fact that the information is split up regionally rather than all together makes it easier for the user and I would say that it is a user friendly website and that by giving people the chance to comment on other peoples reports it is more open to people.
There is a big difference between pillreports and dancesafe so it is very hard to compare them to each other as they are very different sites, ecstasy data gets the same information as dancesafe but puts it on their website sooner, the only two sites I can think of that actually let the user make reports are pillreports and ecstasy.org, ecstasy.org has seemed to get much less reports in recent months and I think more people will be using pillreports now instead and the fact that pillreports can now have pictures to it gives it a large advantage.
Also because pillreports is a members website people who make reports will be seen again and again and from this you can build up a profile of how reliable certain people are, if some people make very strange reports that seem to hype up a pill and do this regularly then it could be that they are involved with the sale of these pills and are just trying to boost sales.
I know that it is difficult to believe what is right and wrong on a site where people can put up their own personal information, but if the same pill appears a few times with similar descriptions around the same time then this can help someone to build up an idea of what the pill is like, although again manufacturers can sometimes make two batches of identical looking pills one much stronger or weaker though this could even be seen if some people are giving very varied reports.
I think that if people read the guidelines on pillreports and then post a report this will be very beneficial to the other users as different people have different tolerances or even expectations of what they are taking, overall I think pillreports is a good website and its here for a good reason, as with everything there is down sides with things such as reliability but its up to the users of the website to be trusted when making reports, remember these reports will help others so giving the best possible information is important.
[ 09 March 2002: Message edited by: masheadatronic ]
 
pillreports.com is not reliable - it's based on subjective experiences, as has been said, and occasional qualitative test results (probably almost all Marquis reagent). in my opinion, a Marquis test result is worth slightly more than a subjective opinion, but still isn't enough to definitely confirm what the pill contains.
the only reliable sources are those that use GC/MS testing, and from what I saw, ecstacydata.org looks to have wider coverage and better result reporting than dancesafe, although dancesafe is quite reliable, provided that you know you have EXACTLY THE SAME PILL as the one shown.
so you need to get a micrometer, and measure each pill and compare that data with the sizes listed on the site. if the pill appears to be identical and is the same size, it's probably the same -- although, even then, it could be another batch.
ecstacydata.org is nice enough to give ratios for the compounds they find. this is useful for the cases where a pill contains "caffeine 30, MDMA 1", which other sites would report as "caffeine, MDMA".
two other things:
the 3d representation of an MDMA molecule in the title image looks like it's the (R) isomer (it's actually kind of hard to tell; i'm assuming the hydrogen is coming out of the plane of the screen). the R isomer is far less potent than the S isomer. also, the little graph the right is a GC, showing maybe 17 peaks. GC separates compounds by volatility and melting point, so that more volatile substances with a low melting point come through first. the large peak second from the right is probably MDMA hydrochloride -- and it's not that large relative to the others, suggesting that pills now contain only about 50 mg of MDMA (that's a wild estimate, but still...)
 
Originally posted by Roches:
pillreports.com is not reliable - it's based on subjective experiences, as has been said, and occasional qualitative test results (probably almost all Marquis reagent). in my opinion, a Marquis test result is worth slightly more than a subjective opinion, but still isn't enough to definitely confirm what the pill contains.
the only reliable sources are those that use GC/MS testing, and from what I saw, ecstacydata.org looks to have wider coverage and better result reporting than dancesafe, although dancesafe is quite reliable, provided that you know you have EXACTLY THE SAME PILL as the one shown.
so you need to get a micrometer, and measure each pill and compare that data with the sizes listed on the site. if the pill appears to be identical and is the same size, it's probably the same -- although, even then, it could be another batch.
ecstacydata.org is nice enough to give ratios for the compounds they find. this is useful for the cases where a pill contains "caffeine 30, MDMA 1", which other sites would report as "caffeine, MDMA".
two other things:
the 3d representation of an MDMA molecule in the title image looks like it's the (R) isomer (it's actually kind of hard to tell; i'm assuming the hydrogen is coming out of the plane of the screen). the R isomer is far less potent than the S isomer. also, the little graph the right is a GC, showing maybe 17 peaks. GC separates compounds by volatility and melting point, so that more volatile substances with a low melting point come through first. the large peak second from the right is probably MDMA hydrochloride -- and it's not that large relative to the others, suggesting that pills now contain only about 50 mg of MDMA (that's a wild estimate, but still...)
now that's a thorough response :D
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admittedly there is no substitute for lab testing.
pillreports is for the other 170 countries in the world that don't have any access to lab test results.
in a perfect world this would be academic. unfortunately we have to make do with what we've got.
 
well, most E users here have never heard of testing kits, let alone GC/MS lab testing. testing kits are some mythical object your dealer has, that is remarkably like a GC/MS in that it is capable of revealing the contents of a given pill to be MDMA, MDEA, MDA, PCP, K, coke, LSD, heroin and a bit of mescaline. heh.
even so, these people seem to do fine on just rumors from their friends... these pills are good, these pills are bad... pillreports is fine for that kind of thing.
 
So you are saying that North American's have access to lab testing and still put more faith in rumours? hardly a newsflash.
Well here in Australia there is exactly nowhere for us to get pills properly tested, and the police and media are happy to circulate rumours of "heroin and ground glass in pills". And strangtely enuf if yu go to the Australian section of pillreports you will see very little in the way of wild rumours and unsubstantiated claims. This is probably because we know it's our only resource.
The peer review system of pillreports is far from perfect but it's better than nothing. Anyone who wants to bitch about it could actually pitch in and help you know? we need more moderators and consistent posters...
 
I am very impressed with the quality of this discussion, masheadatronic, great and informative answer and I agree the more you use the site and understand the subtleties and read behind the replies the safer your drug taking will become.
Johnboy as ever a knowledgeable answer.
Nothing surpasses the life of the mind. And so, if eating Ecstasy be chiefly a sensual, and so a mindless pleasure, and if I have indulged in it to excess, no less true is that I have struggled to understand my habit, if not yet with the religious zeal required properly to get shed of it. But then, perhaps I do not wish to get shed of it.
 
Here's a German test site - it gives the exact mg content. Does anyone have any other european lab test sites? Their scene seems to be a hell of a lot more interesting than AUZ and USA!
German Pills
They get some funky stuff over there:
2-cb, DOB, MTA,
For pill types where they've tested more than one they give the range of MDMA found (i.e. 35-70mg). That shows you how much difference there can be in a batch!
If you guys need anything translated just post it and I'll do it. Here's some starters
spuren = traces
enthält = contains
Das Logo ist auf beiden Seiten abgebildet = double stamped
Die Form ist uns nicht bekannt.= we haven't seen this pill form before
dunklen Sprenkeln= dark specks
unbekannte Menge = unknown amount
This is a list of all the compounds found in the ~850 pills tested on Ecstasydata.org since 1996. This list shows trends only in the American scene.
Ecstasy: MDA, MDMA, MDEA (no MBDB!)
Amphetamines: PMA (only twice), Amphetamine, Methamphetamine
Phenethylamines: DOB (once and there was no 2-cb, 2-ct-7, 2-ct-2) I was disappointed to see the phenethylamines so under-represented.
Stimulants: Cocaine (only twice), TFMPP (3-Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine), BZP (Benzylpiperazine), caffeine (found in a lot of pills, probably the most common drug (and cheapest) of all)
Dissociatives/Anaesthetics: PCP, Ketamine, DXM
Tryptamines: (5-MeO-DiPT) 5-methoxy-di-isopropyl-tryptamine (no DMT,DET) once again the tryptamines were hardly touched.
Sedatives/Relaxants/Barbiturates: Diazepam (valium), Butabarbital
Analgesics: Codeine (weak opiate, you wouldn't notice it orally), (Absolutely No heroin or morphine)
Anti-histamines: Chlorpheniramine, Diphenhydramine (both are sedating I think? why bother?)
Anti-inflammatories: Paracetamol, Aspirin, methylsalicylate (why bother?)
OTC Medicines: Guaifenesin, Pseudoephedrine(Sudafed), Phenylpropanolamine (similar to Sudafed & used in weightloss), DXM
Anti-depressants: Amitryptaline (why did they bother with this?)
WTF's: metadienone and carisoprodol - no idea what these are but I think they are pharmaceutical. Carisoprodol sounds like an antihypertensive.
Repeated Pill Combinations:
BZP (Benzylpiperazine)+ TFMPP (3-Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine)
K + meth,
k+E,
k+meth+e,
caffeine+e,
pseudoephedrine+e,
PCP+meth
Caffeine with anything they can get their hands on.
There were a lot of "unidentified" compounds.
These could have been:
1) The phenethylamines and tryptamines.
2) Really obscure pharmaceuticals that the testers weren't looking for.
3) Reaction impurities/by-products
The summary shows a sad picture of the depths the pill makers go to. They put absolutely anything they can get their hands on in a pill.
Having said that there were a lot of pills that contained MDXX only, but you are almost guaranteed to get something dodgey in your pilling life.
[ 20 March 2002: Message edited by: chupa chopped ]
 
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