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Which is more damaging; Cannabis or Heroin? [split from DC]

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Originally posted by WNB
Soft drug users bash shit like heroin and meth because we correctly understand how much the stuff can mess you up, and are disgusted by users who can't see the damage they're doing to themselves.


As opposed to what? You're incorrect in assuming "soft drugs" aren't damaging to your body. THC is definitely neurotoxic to neurons grown in culture.
 
THC is definitely neurotoxic to neurons grown in culture.

Anything can be "neurotoxic to neurons grown in culture", all you have to do is dose with enough of it. How about citing some conclusive data showing it might be neurotoxic in humans. If want to say pot isn't a 'soft drug', or that its dangerous, I agree, but no need for the hype. Instead at least give real examples of people who have been harmed by pot.
 
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Why is this statement below perfectly acceptable to you; yet you only step in when I dispute it with fact? Why do you label my post "hype" and say nothing about this complete generalization?


Soft drug users bash shit like heroin and meth because we correctly understand how much the stuff can mess you up, and are disgusted by users who can't see the damage they're doing to themselves.


Anyway, here are your sources:

Several laboratories have reported that chronic exposure to delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or marijuana extracts persistently altered the structure and function of the rat hippocampus, a paleocortical brain region involved with learning and memory processes in both rats and humans. Certain choices must be made in designing experiments to evaluate cannabis neurotoxicity, such as dose, route of administration, duration of exposure, age at onset of exposure, species of subjects, whether or how long to allow withdrawal, and which endpoints or biomarkers of neurotoxicity to measure. A review of the literature suggests that both age during exposure and duration of exposure may be critical determinants of neurotoxicity. Cannabinoid administration for at least three months (8-10% of a rat's lifespan) was required to produce neurotoxic effects in peripubertal rodents, which would be comparable to about three years exposure in rhesus monkeys and seven to ten years in humans. Studies of monkeys after up to 12 months of daily exposure have not consistently reported neurotoxicity, and the results of longer
exposures have not yet been studied.


Scallet AC. Neurotoxicology of cannabis and THC: a review of chronic exposure studies in animals. Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1991 Nov;40(3):671-6. Review.

delta 9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), one of the active compounds of marijuana, is known to induce drug dependence and tolerance, and its action is weaker than those of other abused drugs in humans and animals. Acute effects of THC, "high", "irritable" and "cognitive deficits" are more important than the drug dependence and tolerance. For this reason, we examined characteristics of abnormal behavior such as catalepsy-like immobilization, aggressive behavior including irritable aggression and muricide, and spatial cognition impairment induced by acute and chronic treatments of THC in rats. The catalepsy-like immobilization is related to a decrease in catecholaminergic and serotonergic neurons in the nucleus accumbens and amygdaloid nucleus and thus serves as a useful model for amotivational syndrome, one of cannabis psychoses. In aggressive behavior, muricide was determined by the housing condition. Muricide was induced if the rat was placed under an isolated housing condition within the period of the effect of single injection of THC. The behavioral change resembles exacerbation and flashback in humans. Spatial cognition is impaired by the interaction between cannabinoid (CB1) and 5-HT2 receptor in the dorsal raphe-hippocampal serotonergic neurons. Thus the abnormal behavior induced by THC can be a useful model for investigating mental function in humans and new drugs for the treatment of mental disorders.
Fujiwara M.


Characteristics of abnormal behavior induced by delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol in rats. Nippon Yakurigaku Zasshi. 2001 Jan;117(1):35-41. Review. Japanese.

The effects were assessed of delta'THC (the psychoactive component of cannabis) and CBD and DMHP-CBD (the non-psychomimetic components of marijuana derivatives) on 14C labelled serotonin release from normal platelets, when incubated with patient's plasma obtained during migraine attack. A statistically significant inhibitory effect (p greater than 0.005) of 14C serotonin release was found at 10(-5)M, 10(-6)M, 10(-7)M delta'THC concentrations. Plasma of migraine patients obtained in attack-free periods revealed no significant inhibitory effect on 14C serotonin release from normal platelets using the same delta'THC concentration. CBD and DMHP-CBD had no significant inhibitory effect on 14C serotonin release from normal platelets when tested either at migraine-free period plasma or plasma obtained during migraine attack.


Volfe Z, Dvilansky A, Nathan I. Cannabinoids block release of serotonin from platelets induced by plasma from migraine patients. Int J Clin Pharmacol Res. 1985;5(4):243-6.

The noradrenaline, dopamine and serotonin metabolites methoxyhydroxyphenylglycol (MHPG), homovanillic acid (HVA), and 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA), as well as the cyclic nucleotides c-AMP and c-GMP were estimated in urine samples of five normal volunteers. Ten control samples and two samples after cannabis use were analyzed for each volunteer. Cannabis use caused significant decreases in MHPG and c-AMP, and increases in HVA, while 5-HIAA and c-GMP excretion remained unchanged. The results indicate that cannabis use interferes with catecholaminergic mechanisms in man, decreasing the noradrenaline and increasing dopamine turnover, probably through action on presynaptic receptors.


Markianos M, Vakis A. Effects of acute cannabis use on urinary neurotransmitter metabolites and cyclic nucleotides in man. Drug Alcohol Depend. 1984 Oct;14(2):175-8.


Long-term abuse of marijuana by humans can induce profound behavioral deficits characterized by cognitive and memory impairments. In particular, deficits on tasks dependent on frontal lobe function have been reported in cannabis abusers. In the current study, we examined whether long-term exposure to delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the active ingredient in marijuana, altered the neurochemistry of the frontal cortex in rats. Two weeks administration of delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol reduced dopamine transmission in the medial prefrontal cortex, while dopamine metabolism in striatal regions was unaffected. These data are consistent with earlier findings of dopaminergic regulation of frontal cortical cognition. Thus, cognitive deficits in heavy abusers of cannabis may be subserved by drug-induced alterations in frontal cortical dopamine transmission.


Jentsch JD, Verrico CD, Le D, Roth RH.Repeated exposure to delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol reduces prefrontal cortical dopamine metabolism in the rat. Neurosci Lett. 1998 May 1;246(3):169-72.

There are several studies which show that THC kills cultured neurons, the first one being:

Chan GC, Hinds TR, Impey S, Storm DR. Hippocampal neurotoxicity of Delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol.
J Neurosci. 1998 Jul 15; 18 (14): 5322-32.

The studies which look at the cellular changes that THC induces are review in:

Scallet AC.
Neurotoxicology of cannabis and THC: a review of chronic exposure studies in animals.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1991 Nov; 40(3): 671-6
 
Characteristics of abnormal behavior induced by delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol in rats. Nippon Yakurigaku Zasshi. 2001 Jan;117(1):35-41. Review. Japanese.

Volfe Z, Dvilansky A, Nathan I. Cannabinoids block release of serotonin from platelets induced by plasma from migraine patients. Int J Clin Pharmacol Res. 1985;5(4):243-6.

Markianos M, Vakis A. Effects of acute cannabis use on urinary neurotransmitter metabolites and cyclic nucleotides in man. Drug Alcohol Depend. 1984 Oct;14(2):175-8.

These three studies are just studying the acute effects. They aren't showing any long term nuerotoxicity.

Cannabinoid administration for at least three months (8-10% of a rat's lifespan) was required to produce neurotoxic effects in peripubertal rodents, which would be comparable to about three years exposure in rhesus monkeys and seven to ten years in humans. Studies of monkeys after up to 12 months of daily exposure have not consistently reported neurotoxicity,

There is no information about dosage in this abstract, and the studies failed to show neurotoxicity in primates, as did the other study.

Here is another study:

Cannabidiol prevents infarction via the non-CB1 cannabinoid receptor mechanism.

Hayakawa K, Mishima K, Abe K, Hasebe N, Takamatsu F, Yasuda H, Ikeda T, Inui K, Egashira N, Iwasaki K, Fujiwara M.

Department of Neuropharmacology, Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences, Fukuoka University, Nanakuma 8-19-1, Fukuoka City, Fukuoka, 814-0180, Japan.

Cannabidiol, a non-psychoactive constituent of cannabis, has been reported as a neuroprotectant. Cannabidiol and Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol, the primary psychoactive constituent of cannabis, significantly decreased the infarct volume at 4 h in the mouse middle cerebral artery occlusion model. The neuroprotective effects of Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol but not cannabidiol were inhibited by SR141716, a cannabinoid CB1 receptor antagonist, and were abolished by warming of the animals to the levels observed in the controls. Delta(9)-Tetrahydrocannabinol significantly decreased the rectal temperature, and the hypothermic effect was inhibited by SR141716. These results surely show that the neuroprotective effect of Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol are via a CB1 receptor and temperature-dependent mechanisms whereas the neuroprotective effects of cannabidiol are independent of CB1 blockade and of hypothermia.

So tit for tat, THC and cannabidiol are nueroprotective too.

Why is this statement below perfectly acceptable to you; yet you only step in when I dispute it with fact? Why do you label my post "hype" and say nothing about this complete generalization?

The statement is not acceptable to me. Its bullshit. I took it for troll bait and wasn't going to touch it. But the case for cannabis neurotoxicity is weak as hell and is not fact, so I had to step in for that. Its just me, paradoxcycle. I will step in for what I percieve to be 'hype' but not for what I percieve to be 'troll bait'. Sorry. :\
 
forgive the sketchy start to this thread, but it was getting a little too in-depth for DC.

I searched too, but i couldnt find anything for you to merge it with, BM :)
 
As long as I keep getting A's in school and living a good life, I will smoke every day.
 
I aggree with gloggawogga. You can't just cut and paste results from random cell culture studies and claim that THC is neurotoxic. Paradoxcycle, you didn't even give any references to studies that show actual neuron damage.
The more realistic primate studies show absolutely no neurotoxicity to chronic THC exposure.
As for the cognitive studies, of course THC will effect memory, mood, cognition, learning and neurotransmission. That's what it's supposed to do. It is a drug afterall. Those effects are reversable after the drug wears off.
Another study you cite mentions some hippocampal structural changes. What kind of changes? Changes are not the same thing as neurotoxic damage. The hippocampus is involved in learning and memory. Everytime you form a new memory, your hippocampus undergoes stuctural changes. New synapses form, old ones go away.
And finally, Volfe et al (1985)finds that THC alters the amount of serotonin metabolites and c-AMP excreted in urine. So what!Q?!#@??! It's not the same thing as neurotoxic damage. I wouldn't be surprised if a cup of coffee does the same thing.
The studies paradoxcycle mentions don't give dosage information for another thing.
Reading back over the earlier posts, nobody has cited even 1 cell culture study that showed any neuron damage due to THC. Cell culture studies often use dosages far far higher than what a pot would ever expose himself to. So, even if there are any cell cultrue studies that show THC-induced neurotoxicity, the results wouldn't realisticly apply to potsmokers.
The studies cited here just don't support paradoxcycle's claim that THC is neurotoxic.
 
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gloggawogga said:
So tit for tat, THC and cannabidiol are nueroprotective too.

Most of what I've read supports this conclusion.

The rate of lung cancer for tobacco-only smokers is much higher than weed+tobacco smokers, for example.

Go look it up if you care, I'm too lazy.
 
gloggawogga said:
How about citing some conclusive data showing it might be neurotoxic in humans.

That's kind of a misnomer. There's evidence there "might" be lasting effects from excessive use, but there's no conclusive evidence that it "does" cause lasting effects.

Anyways, I've dug up a few similar threads on the neurotoxic part:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?postid=2476493#post2476493
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1739684#post1739684
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?postid=1564192#post1564192

If it causes cancer is a whole nother thing, which I believe we had a thread on just recently, I'll see if I can find it.

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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?postid=3369607#post3369607
 
Originally posted by gloggawogga
These three studies are just studying the acute effects. They aren't showing any long term nuerotoxicity.


Chronic cannabinoid exposure produces lasting memory impairment and increased anxiety in adolescent but not adult rats

Although many studies have examined the acute behavioral effects of cannabinoids in rodents, few have examined the lasting effects of cannabinoids at different developmental ages. This study compared lasting effects of cannabinoid exposure occurring in adolescence to that occurring in early adulthood. Forty, 30-day old (adolescent) and 18, 56-day old (adult) female albino Wistar rats were injected with vehicle or incremental doses of the cannabinoid receptor agonist (-)-cis-3-[2-hydroxy-4-(1,1-dimethylheptyl)phenyl]-trans-4-(3-hydroxypropyl) cyclohexanol (CP 55,940) once per day for 21 consecutive days (150, 200 and 300 µg/kg i.p. for 3, 8 and 10 days, respectively). Following a 21-day drug-free period, working memory was assessed using an object recognition task. Locomotor activity was also measured in the object recognition apparatus via a ceiling-mounted passive infrared sensor. Three days later, anxiety was assessed using a social interaction test. In the object recognition task, significantly poorer working memory was observed in the adolescent but not adult CP 55,940-treated rats. Adolescent, but not adult CP 55,940-treated rats, also exhibited a significant decrease in social interaction with a novel conspecific. These results suggest that chronic exposure to a cannabinoid receptor agonist well after the immediate postnatal period, but before reaching sexual maturity, can lead to increased anxiety and a lasting impairment of working memory.


Journal of Psychopharmacology, Vol. 18, No. 4, 502-508 (2004)
DOI: 10.1177/0269881104047277
© 2004 British Association for Psychopharmacology

Dose-related neurocognitive effects of marijuana use

Objective: To determine if neurocognitive deficits persist in 28-day abstinent heavy marijuana users and if these deficits are dose-related to the number of marijuana joints smoked per week. Results: As joints smoked per week increased, performance decreased on tests measuring memory, executive functioning, psychomotor speed, and manual dexterity. When dividing the group into light, middle, and heavy user groups, the heavy group performed significantly below the light group on 5 of 35 measures and the size of the effect ranged from 3.00 to 4.20 SD units. Duration of use had little effect on neurocognitive performance. Conclusions: Very heavy use of marijuana is associated with persistent decrements in neurocognitive performance even after 28 days of abstinence.


From the Department of Neurology (Dr. Bolla and D. Eldreth), Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Hopkins Bayview Research Campus; and Molecular Neuropsychiatry Section (K. Brown, K. Tate, and Dr. Cadet), NIH/NIDA-IRP, Baltimore, MD.

Hippocampal Neurotoxicity of 9-Tetrahydrocannabinol

Marijuana consumption elicits diverse physiological and psychological effects in humans, including memory loss. Here we report that 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the major psychoactive component of marijuana, is toxic for hippocampal neurons. Treatment of cultured neurons or hippocampal slices with THC caused shrinkage of neuronal cell bodies and nuclei as well as genomic DNA strand breaks, hallmarks of neuronal apoptosis. Neuron death induced by THC was inhibited by nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, including indomethacin and aspirin, as well as vitamin E and other antioxidants. Furthermore, treatment of neurons with THC stimulated a significant increase in the release of arachidonic acid. We hypothesize that THC neurotoxicity is attributable to activation of the prostanoid synthesis pathway and generation of free radicals by cyclooxygenase. These data suggest that some of the memory deficits caused by cannabinoids may be caused by THC neurotoxicity.


Guy Chiu-Kai Chan, Thomas R. Hinds, Soren Impey, and Daniel R. Storm
Department of Pharmacology, University of Washington, Seattle, Washington 98195

Long-Term exposure to THC

Using similar paradigms and procedures, long-term studies on the effects of chronic treatment with THC were undertaken, based on extensive quantatative light and electron microscope (EM) studies. As mentioned in the first study (Landfield, et al. 1988), chronic THC decreased hippocampal neuronal density. The similarity of the THC-dependant pattern of neurotoxicity to the aging/CORT-associated neuropathology pattern suggested an interaction of THC with steroid systems in the induction of the pathological effects. In addition, during acute restraint stress, plasma levels of both ACTH and CORT were significantly elevated in rats treated chronically (4 months) with THC, compared with those given pluronic vehicle alone or saline (Landfield et al. 1988) which confirmed numerous reports, discussed above (Dewey 1986; Martin 1986), that THC stimulated CORT release.




fig1-thayer.jpg


Cannabinoids inhibit the induction of new synapses between hippocampal neurons in culture. Images show functional synaptic boutons (red) superimposed on a differential interference contrast image of hippocampal neurons in culture. Functional synaptic sites were labeled with FM1-43 as described in Kim and Thayer (2001). Functional synaptic sites before and 2 hours after increasing cellular cAMP levels are shown. A 15-minute increase in cAMP increased the number of synaptic sites by 37 %. Interfering with synaptic plasticity may account for the memory impairment produced by cannabinoids.




Its just me, paradoxcycle. I will step in for what I percieve to be 'hype' but not for what I percieve to be 'troll bait'. Sorry.


No, glogga, you will only step in because you just can't seem to help yourself- it's almost obsessive the extent you will go to split hairs and argue semantics just as you did in OD. I refuse to accept that cannabis is a benign drug and the culture associated with it is embarrassing.
 
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For all of the studies suggesting neurotoxicitiy there are as many showing the opposite or inconclusive results. Here's a summary of a few:

Ali et al., (1989) also investigated what neurochemical effects chronic THC administration produced in the rat after a significant washout phase. Rats were dosed orally for 90 days, 5 days a week, with 0, 10 or 20mg/kg THC, then sacrificed, either directly after the last dose, or after a 2-week washout phase. It was reported that when rats were sacrificed directly after the last dosing, neither the high or low dose groups had any significant alteration in the Bmax of GABA, muscarinic acetylcholine, dopaminergic, or mu, kappa and delta opioid receptors in the hippocampus in comparison to the controls or in dihydroxyphenylacetic acid (DOPAC), 5-HT or 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA) concentration in the hypothalamus, septum or caudate nucleus. In rats sacrificed after a 2-week washout phase there was found to be a significant decrease in the Bmax of GABA receptors in the high dose group, though no other changes were found. In order to repeat these results and to see whether chronic THC treatment had any effect on the properties of sigma opioid receptors or various allosteric GABAA receptor sites, a second experiment was designed. In this experiment, rats were treated in the same fashion as the first experiment with the addition of a fourth dosage group that received 20mg/kg Mondays-Thursday and 60mg/kg on Friday. In this experiment, binding was only investigated after a 2-week washout phase. It was reported that there was no significant alteration in the Bmax of sigma receptors, GABA receptors, or any of the GABAA allosteric sites at any dosage level, in disagreement with their earlier results. In the end, these results are inconclusive, and no other study has looked into the effect of chronic cannabinoid treatment of the GABA receptor since.

Ali et al., (1991) examined the effects of chronic THC or cannabinoid treatment in rats and the rhesus monkey respectively. Rats were dosed with orally with 10 or 20mg/kg of THC 5 days a week, for 90 days and sacrificed 2 hours or 2 months after the last dose. It was reported that at either 2 hours or 2 months, neither of the doses produced a significant effect on the Bmax of muscarinic acetylcholine receptors in comparison to vehicle treated controls. Rhesus monkeys were treated for either 2 or 7 days a week for 1 year with the smoke of 1 2.6% cannabis cigarette, the smoke of an ethanol extracted cannabis cigarette, or no smoke and then sacrificed 7 months after the last treatment. It was reported that there were no statistically significant dose-related changes in dopamine, DOPAC, serotonin or 5-HIAA concentration in either the caudate nucleus or the hypothalamus.


Westlake et al., (1991) investigated whether chronic treatment with THC altered the Bmax or Ki of the cannabinoid receptor in either rats or rhesus monkeys. Rats were dosed with 0, 10 or 20mg/kg , 5 days a week or 20mg/kg Monday to Thursday and 60mg/kg Friday for 90 days and sacrificed 60 days after the last dose. It was reported that there were no significant changes induced by any dose in either the Bmax or the Ki of the cannabinoid receptor in the cortex, striatum, cerebellum, hippocampus or brainstem in comparison to the control. Rhesus monkeys were exposed to the smoke of either ethanol extract cannabis or 2.6% THC cannabis, 7 days a week for a year and then sacrificed 7 months after the last exposure. It was reported that there were no significant changes in the Bmax or the Ki of the cannabinoid receptor in the cortex, caudate nucleus or the cerebellum in comparison to the control.


The first study into the effect that cannabinoids have on neuronal morphology was Harper et al., (1977). This study reported that rhesus monkeys exposed to the smoke of 1 to 3 2.6% THC cannabis cigarettes a day or 0.7mg/kg THC a day for 6 months showed widening of the synaptic cleft, material in the synaptic cleft and nuclear inclusion bodies after an 8-month washout phase. Unfortunately there were many methodological problems with this study. There was no statistical analysis, the sample sizes were extremely small, consisting of one active cannabis smoke treated animal, one IV treated animal and the controls, two completely untreated monkeys and one monkey who smoked alcohol extracted cannabis leaf, which was presumed to be THC free. Indeed, the apparatus in which the animals were placed in order to administer the cannabis smoke, a procedure that most of the control animals were free of, seemed to be so constrictive and unnatural, that it could be a serious source of bias. Scallet et al., (1990) repeated this experiment, with larger sample numbers and showed that after a wash out phase of 7 months, rhesus monkeys who were exposed to the smoke of a single cannabis cigarette containing 2.6% THC, every day for 12 months, showed no statistically significant changes in synaptic characteristics, neuronal size, the number of apical or basilar dendrites or the number or length of dendritic branches, in comparison to monkeys who were either non-exposed or smoked ethanol-extracted cannabis. Andrews et al., (1989, as cited by Scallet et al., 1991) also found no neurohistological changes after dosing moneys IV with either 0.1 or 1mg/kg of THC for 90 days.

Pope et al., (2001) investigated the cognitive function of chronic cannabis users over a 28-day abstinence period. There were 3 groups: subjects who had used cannabis at least 5000 times and were smoking daily at the start of the study, subjects who had used cannabis at least 5000 times but had used cannabis 12 times or less in the last three months, and the control group, who had used cannabis no more than 50 times. The subjects were tested on a battery of tests on day 0, 1, 7 and 28 of abstinence. The former users showed no significant difference in any of the tests. The current users showed significant differences in many of the tests on day 0, 1 and 7, but by day 28 there was only one test where they performed significantly worse. When the test was controlled for verbal IQ, this difference was no longer significant. The experiment shows that washout phases of 19-72 hours, as used in other experiments, are probably not long enough to remove the residual effects of cannabinoids. Interestingly, the mean time of use for the cannabis using group was 13 years. When compared to the results of Fletcher et al., (1996) this time length is far closer to the young group (9 years) who showed no negative cognitive impact from cannabis use. Perhaps this indicates that cannabis use needs to continue for more than 13 years to be damaging.

Pope and Yurgelun-Todd (1996) compared the cognitive function in heavy and light cannabis using college students. The rational behind the study was that if heavy users were compared to light users, the difficulty of matching controls would be avoided, as it was presumed that light and heavy cannabis users would come from the same socio-economic background. Light users were defined as subjects who had smoked cannabis a maximum of 9 times in the last month, and had no urinary traces of cannabinoids. Heavy users were defined as subjects who had smoked cannabis a minimum of 22 times in the last month and had traces of cannabinoids in their urine. Subjects had 19 hours of supervised abstinence before they received a battery of cognitive tests. It was reported that the heavy users did not performed significantly worse than the light users in any test apart from the Wisconsin card sorting test and the California verbal learning test. However, these results did not reach significance if the genders were compared individually. Because of the short abstinence period, this difference could be attributed to both residual cannabinoid action (because if there were cannabinoids in the urine, there could be cannabinoids in the blood) or withdrawal effects.

Block et al., (2000a) were the first to investigate the possibility of brain atrophy induced by chronic cannabis use using magnetic resonance imaging. The cannabis using subjects had used cannabis for at least 2 years, on average every day. It was found that the cannabis users had no significant differences in gross brain, frontal lobe, temporal lobe, parietal lobe, occipital lobe, cerebellar and hippocampal volume in comparison to the controls.

Co et al., (1977) and Kuehnle et al., (1977) used CAT scans to look for any gross cerebral atrophy in groups of 12 and 19 chronic cannabis users, respectively. Despite a lack of control for any factor apart from sex, there were found to be no significant changes in cerebral volume in comparison to controls.

Nakamura et al., (1991) investigated the effects that chronic THC administration had on performance in a variation of the 8-arm radial maze in the rat. Rats were dosed with 5mg/kg THC I.P. 6 days a week for 90 days. During administration the rats were trained in an 8-arm radial maze where, after entering 4 arms, the rats were removed from the maze for 5 seconds or 1 hour, and then placed back in the center. During treatment, THC treated animals made significantly more errors in both the 5-second and 1-hour delay than the vehicle treated controls. 15 days after discontinuation of THC treatment the THC treated animals still made significantly more errors than the controls, but after 30 days the difference was no longer significant. Because the behavioural deficit corrected after such a short time, it could be possible that it was just due to residual THC. Unfortunately, plasma THC was not recorded, so this possibility can not be addressed.

Stiglick and Kalant (1982) examined the effects of chronic cannabinoid administration on the performance in an 8 or 12-arm radial maze. Rats were dosed orally with an ethanolic cannabis extract so that they received 20mg/kg daily for 3 or 6 months. After a 1-month washout phase, the animals that were dosed for 3-month were tested with an 8 or 12-arm radial maze, and the animals that were dosed for 6-months were tested with an 8-arm radial maze. It was reported that after the 1-month washout phase, all cannabinoid treated animals learned the radial arm maze significantly slower than the vehicle treated controls. It was reported that the control and cannabinoid treated animals did not eat significantly different amounts and hence this result is unlikely to be because of a lowered motivation to eat food caused by cannabinoid treatment. Stiglick and Kalant (1983) conducted a similar experiment, although this time pure THC was used and the behaviour of rats chronically treated with THC in a two-way shuttle box avoidance test and a 12-arm radial maze was also investigated. Rats were treated orally with 20mg/kg THC daily for 3 months. Testing in the 12-arm radial maze began after a 34-day washout phase. Rats were then tested in an open field test after a 77-day washout phase, then a differential reinforcement of low rate responding-20 (DRL-20) test after a 92-day washout and finally the shuttle box avoidance test after a 132-day washout. It was reported treatment with THC had no effect on open field test exploratory behaviour in comparison to control. It was shown that THC treatment affected the animal's ability to learn the 12-arm radial maze in comparison to the vehicle treated control, but that this effect was restricted to the first 11 days of performance. It was reported that THC treated animals received significantly less food rewards during the DRL-20 test in comparison to controls, but that this effect only lasted for the first 13 days of testing. It was shown that THC treatment had no significant effect on the performance in the shuttle box avoidance task.


And for all of these conflicting studies on cannabis' alleged neurotoxic properties, there are many more looking into the medical potential of cannabis' neuroprotective properties:



Cannabinoids inhibit neurodegeneration in models of multiple sclerosis.

Pryce G, Ahmed Z, Hankey DJ, Jackson SJ, Croxford JL, Pocock JM, Ledent C, Petzold A, Thompson AJ, Giovannoni G, Cuzner ML, Baker D.

Department of Neuroinflammation, Institute of Neurology, University College London, London, UK.

Multiple sclerosis is increasingly being recognized as a neurodegenerative disease that is triggered by inflammatory attack of the CNS. As yet there is no satisfactory treatment. Using experimental allergic encephalo myelitis (EAE), an animal model of multiple sclerosis, we demonstrate that the cannabinoid system is neuroprotective during EAE. Mice deficient in the cannabinoid receptor CB1 tolerate inflammatory and excitotoxic insults poorly and develop substantial neurodegeneration following immune attack in EAE. In addition, exogenous CB1 agonists can provide significant neuroprotection from the consequences of inflammatory CNS disease in an experimental allergic uveitis model. Therefore, in addition to symptom management, cannabis may also slow the neurodegenerative processes that ultimately lead to chronic disability in multiple sclerosis and probably other diseases.



The therapeutic potential of the cannabinoids in neuroprotection.

Grundy RI.

Neurology CEDD, GlaxoSmithKline, New Frontiers Science Park (North), Coldharbour Road, Harlow, Essex, CM19 5AW, UK.

After thousands of years of interest the last few decades have seen a huge increase in our knowledge of the cannabinoids and their mode of action. Their potential as medical therapeutics has long been known. However, very real concerns over their safety and efficacy have lead to caution and suspicion when applying the legislature of modern medicine to these compounds. The ability of this diverse family of compounds to modulate neurotransmission and act as anti-inflammatory and antioxidative agents has prompted researchers to investigate their potential as neuroprotective agents. Indeed, various cannabinoids rescue dying neurones in experimental forms of acute neuronal injury, such as cerebral ischaemia and traumatic brain injury. Cannabinoids also provide symptomatic relief in experimental models of chronic neurodegenerative diseases, such as multiple sclerosis and Huntington's disease. This preclinical evidence has provided the impetus for the launch of a number of clinical trials in various conditions of neurodegeneration and neuronal injury using compounds derived from the cannabis plant. Our understanding of cannabinoid neurobiology, however, must improve if we are to effectively exploit this system and take advantage of the numerous characteristics that make this group of compounds potential neuroprotective agents.



Therapeutic potential of cannabinoids in CNS disease.

Croxford JL.

Department of Microbiology-Immunology, Northwestern University Medical School, Chicago, Illinois 60610, USA.

The major psychoactive constituent of Cannabis sativa, delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta(9)-THC), and endogenous cannabinoid ligands, such as anandamide, signal through G-protein-coupled cannabinoid receptors localised to regions of the brain associated with important neurological processes. Signalling is mostly inhibitory and suggests a role for cannabinoids as therapeutic agents in CNS disease where inhibition of neurotransmitter release would be beneficial. Anecdotal evidence suggests that patients with disorders such as multiple sclerosis smoke cannabis to relieve disease-related symptoms. Cannabinoids can alleviate tremor and spasticity in animal models of multiple sclerosis, and clinical trials of the use of these compounds for these symptoms are in progress. The cannabinoid nabilone is currently licensed for use as an antiemetic agent in chemotherapy-induced emesis. Evidence suggests that cannabinoids may prove useful in Parkinson's disease by inhibiting the excitotoxic neurotransmitter glutamate and counteracting oxidative damage to dopaminergic neurons. The inhibitory effect of cannabinoids on reactive oxygen species, glutamate and tumour necrosis factor suggests that they may be potent neuroprotective agents. Dexanabinol (HU-211), a synthetic cannabinoid, is currently being assessed in clinical trials for traumatic brain injury and stroke. Animal models of mechanical, thermal and noxious pain suggest that cannabinoids may be effective analgesics. Indeed, in clinical trials of postoperative and cancer pain and pain associated with spinal cord injury, cannabinoids have proven more effective than placebo but may be less effective than existing therapies. Dronabinol, a commercially available form of delta(9)-THC, has been used successfully for increasing appetite in patients with HIV wasting disease, and cannabinoid receptor antagonists may reduce obesity. Acute adverse effects following cannabis usage include sedation and anxiety. These effects are usually transient and may be less severe than those that occur with existing therapeutic agents. The use of nonpsychoactive cannabinoids such as cannabidiol and dexanabinol may allow the dissociation of unwanted psychoactive effects from potential therapeutic benefits. The existence of other cannabinoid receptors may provide novel therapeutic targets that are independent of CB(1) receptors (at which most currently available cannabinoids act) and the development of compounds that are not associated with CB(1) receptor-mediated adverse effects. Further understanding of the most appropriate route of delivery and the pharmacokinetics of agents that act via the endocannabinoid system may also reduce adverse effects and increase the efficacy of cannabinoid treatment. This review highlights recent advances in understanding of the endocannabinoid system and indicates CNS disorders that may benefit from the therapeutic effects of cannabinoid treatment. Where applicable, reference is made to ongoing clinical trials of cannabinoids to alleviate symptoms of these disorders.



Neuroprotection by Delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the main active compound in marijuana, against ouabain-induced in vivo excitotoxicity.

van der Stelt M, Veldhuis WB, Bar PR, Veldink GA, Vliegenthart JF, Nicolay K.

Department of Bio-Organic Chemistry, Bijvoet Center for Biomolecular Research, 3584 CH, Utrecht University, Utrecht, The Netherlands.

Excitotoxicity is a paradigm used to explain the biochemical events in both acute neuronal damage and in slowly progressive, neurodegenerative diseases. Here, we show in a longitudinal magnetic resonance imaging study that Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol (Delta(9)-THC), the main active compound in marijuana, reduces neuronal injury in neonatal rats injected intracerebrally with the Na(+)/K(+)-ATPase inhibitor ouabain to elicit excitotoxicity. In the acute phase Delta(9)-THC reduced the volume of cytotoxic edema by 22%. After 7 d, 36% less neuronal damage was observed in treated rats compared with control animals. Coadministration of the CB(1) cannabinoid receptor antagonist SR141716 prevented the neuroprotective actions of Delta(9)-THC, indicating that Delta(9)-THC afforded protection to neurons via the CB(1) receptor. In Delta(9)-THC-treated rats the volume of astrogliotic tissue was 36% smaller. The CB(1) receptor antagonist did not block this effect. These results provide evidence that the cannabinoid system can serve to protect the brain against neurodegeneration.



Neuroprotective antioxidants from marijuana.

Hampson AJ, Grimaldi M, Lolic M, Wink D, Rosenthal R, Axelrod J.

Laboratory of Cellular and Molecular Regulation, NIMH, Bethesda, Maryland 20892, USA.

Cannabidiol and other cannabinoids were examined as neuroprotectants in rat cortical neuron cultures exposed to toxic levels of the neurotransmitter, glutamate. The psychotropic cannabinoid receptor agonist delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol, (a non-psychoactive constituent of marijuana), both reduced NMDA, AMPA and kainate receptor mediated neurotoxicities. Neuroprotection was not affected by cannabinoid receptor antagonist, indicating a (cannabinoid) receptor-independent mechanism of action. Glutamate toxicity can be reduced by antioxidants. Using cyclic voltametry and a fenton reaction based system, it was demonstrated that Cannabidiol, THC and other cannabinoids are potent antioxidants. As evidence that cannabinoids can act as an antioxidants in neuronal cultures, cannabidiol was demonstrated to reduce hydroperoxide toxicity in neurons. In a head to head trial of the abilities of various antioxidants to prevent glutamate toxicity, cannabidiol was superior to both alpha-tocopherol and ascorbate in protective capacity. Recent preliminary studies in a rat model of focal cerebral ischemia suggest that cannabidiol may be at least as effective in vivo as seen in these in vitro studies.



Cannabis: old medicine with new promise for neurological disorders.

Carter GT, Weydt P.

Department of Rehabilitation Medicine, University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle 98531, USA.

Marijuana is a complex substance containing over 60 different forms of cannabinoids, the active ingredients. Cannabinoids are now known to have the capacity for neuromodulation, via direct, receptor-based mechanisms at numerous levels within the nervous system. These have therapeutic properties that may be applicable to the treatment of neurological disorders; including anti-oxidative, neuroprotective, analgesic and anti-inflammatory actions; immunomodulation, modulation of glial cells and tumor growth regulation. This article reviews the emerging research on the physiological mechanisms of endogenous and exogenous cannabinoids in the context of neurological disease.



Medical marijuana: emerging applications for the management of neurologic disorders.

Carter GT, Ugalde V.

Department of Rehabilitation Medicine, University of Washington School of Medicine, 1959 NE Pacific Avenue, Box 356490, Seattle, WA 98195, USA.

Marijuana contains over 60 different types of cannabinoids, which are its medicinally active ingredients. Cannabinoids have the capacity for neuromodulation--through direct, receptor-based mechanisms--at many levels within the nervous system, providing therapeutic properties that may be applicable to the treatment of neurologic disorders. These include antioxidation, neuroprotection, analgesia, anti-inflammation, immunomodulation, modulation of glial cells, and tumor growth regulation. This article reviews the current and emerging research on the physiologic mechanisms of endogenous and exogenous cannabinoids and their applications in the management of neurologic disease.





[Cannabis and cannabinoid receptors: from pathophysiology to therapeutic options]

[Article in French]

Derkinderen P, Valjent E, Darcel F, Damier P, Girault JA.

Service de Neurologie et Centre d'investigations cliniques, CHU de Nantes, Hopital Laennec, Nantes.

BACKGROUND: Although cannabis has been used as a medicine for several centuries, the therapeutic properties of cannabis preparations (essentially haschich and marijuana) make them far most popular as a recreational drugs. STATE OF THE ART: Scientific studies on the effects of cannabis were advanced considerably by the identification in 1964 of cannabinoid D9-tetrahydrocannadinol (THC), recognized as the major active constituent of cannabis. Cloning of the centrally located CB1 receptor in 1990 and the identification of the first endogenous ligand of the CB1 receptor, anandamide, in 1992 further advanced our knowledge. PERSPECTIVE AND CONCLUSIONS: Progress has incited further research on the biochemistry and pharmacology of the cannabinoids in numerous diseases of the central nervous system. In the laboratory animal, cannabinoids have demonstrated potential in motion disorders, demyelinizing disease, epilepsy, and as anti-tumor and neuroprotector agents. Several clinical studies are currently in progress, but therapeutic use of cannabinoids in humans couls be hindered by undesirable effects, particularly psychotropic effects. CB1 receptor antagonists also have interesting therapeutic potential.




Neuroprotective effect of cannabidiol, a non-psychoactive component from Cannabis sativa, on beta-amyloid-induced toxicity in PC12 cells.

Iuvone T, Esposito G, Esposito R, Santamaria R, Di Rosa M, Izzo AA.

Department of Experimental Pharmacology, University of Naples Federico II, Naples, Italy.

Abstract Alzheimer's disease is widely held to be associated with oxidative stress due, in part, to the membrane action of beta-amyloid peptide aggregates. Here, we studied the effect of cannabidiol, a major non-psychoactive component of the marijuana plant (Cannabis sativa) on beta-amyloid peptide-induced toxicity in cultured rat pheocromocytoma PC12 cells. Following exposure of cells to beta-amyloid peptide (1 micro g/mL), a marked reduction in cell survival was observed. This effect was associated with increased reactive oxygen species (ROS) production and lipid peroxidation, as well as caspase 3 (a key enzyme in the apoptosis cell-signalling cascade) appearance, DNA fragmentation and increased intracellular calcium. Treatment of the cells with cannabidiol (10(-7)-10(-4)m) prior to beta-amyloid peptide exposure significantly elevated cell survival while it decreased ROS production, lipid peroxidation, caspase 3 levels, DNA fragmentation and intracellular calcium. Our results indicate that cannabidiol exerts a combination of neuroprotective, anti-oxidative and anti-apoptotic effects against beta-amyloid peptide toxicity, and that inhibition of caspase 3 appearance from its inactive precursor, pro-caspase 3, by cannabidiol is involved in the signalling pathway for this neuroprotection.



Cannabinoids: mechanisms and therapeutic applications in the CNS.

Drysdale AJ, Platt B.

Department of Biomedical Sciences, University of Aberdeen, Institute of Medical Sciences, Foresterhill, Aberdeen, AB25 2ZD, Scotland, UK.

Cannabinoids comprise three classes of compounds, the active components of marijuana (Cannabis sativa), as well as endogenous and synthetic derivatives. To date, two distinct cannabinoid receptors (CB1 and CB2) have been discovered, but evidence for further receptor types has been brought forward. The potential use of cannabinoids for medicinal purposes has long been known, but the mechanisms of action of both exogenously applied and endogenous cannabinoids are only partly established. For nervous system disorders, cannabinoids may be useful by modulating neurotransmission and calcium homeostasis as well as by anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant actions. Some cannabinoids can also trigger cell death, which may be of therapeutic benefit in the treatment of malignant tumours. A number of both in vitro and in vivo models have provided promising but diverse evidence for cannabinoid protection in glutamate-mediated excitotoxicity, hypoxia and glucose deprivation, brain trauma, epilepsy and MS. Subsequent to many preclinical investigations, clinical trials are now underway in a variety of the above applications. Overall, the understanding of the therapeutic relevance of cannabinoids will rely on further investigations into the neuroprotective and neurotoxic potency of cannabinoids in animal models and humans, as much as on a further advancement of our general understanding of the endocannabinoid system and the development of specific compounds devoid of unwanted psychoactive side effects.


I refuse to accept that cannabis is a benign drug

Thing is....I never said it was. ;)

and the culture associated with it is embarrassing.

Ok, so you have an issue with the culture associated with cannabis.
 
Personally, I think the best guide to overally toxicity is to look at populations that have been using cannabis for thousands of years. Admittedly you don't get in depth neuromorphology and neurotoxicology studies from it, but you do get an overall idea of what sort of effects, diseases etc occur in humans with long term exposure to THC etc (animal studies don't always transfer over to humans - rats, dogs etc can be dosed with MPTP and show no neurotoxicity signs at all. A few exposures to it in humans and you have severe Parkinson's disease showing up).

Basically, populations who have used cannabis as part of their culture for a long time don't seem to show any signs of neurological damage (unlike say the islanders - think it's the Marshall Islands - that make flour out of cycad nuts and end up with Altzhiemer type symptoms), even with cases of heavy use. On that, I think you can say that it's a pretty low risk drug
 
I would say that there is evidence pointing to the idea that long term smoking, or smoking when very young leads to changes in brain function. You have to ask "Could it be that the neurons are somehow used less, or are less active, but have not been changed?". Well if a neuron is less active, then either it, or neurons which connect to it, have changed. You just need to think of neurons like little transistors. If the output of the neuron changes, either the input has changed, or the neuron has changed. Sure they a more plastic than transistors, but that plasticity is still change.

Prolonged daily use of cannabis has been linked to a variety of cognitive changes, including poor memory, vagueness of thought, decreased verbal fluency, and learning deficits, that are not always fully reversible when use of the drug is stopped (47)


http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/...-e/kalant-e.htm

(47) Solowij N. Long-term effects of cannabis on the central nervous system. I. Brain function and neurotoxicity. II. Cognitive functioning. In: Kalant H, Corrigall WA, Hall W, Smart RG, eds. The Health Effects of Cannabis. Toronto: CAMH, 1999:195-265.



Thing is....I never said it was.


Well you certainly imply it every time you dispute my posts regarding cannabis.
 
It would be cool if you guys could write a small summary at the bottom of your foot-long posts..

There is conflicting evidence, a fair amount of which is steeped in drug war bias both for and against. Interestingly though, I didn't find much conflict in regards to the medical research on neuroprotective properties of cannabanoids.

Well you certainly imply it every time you dispute my posts regarding cannabis.

I never made any such implication. And the poster that you originally responded to didn't say pot was benign either. I don't think pot smokers should bash users of heroin or meth. But I think pot smokers are quite correct in assessing that heroin and meth are more dangerous than pot.
 
paradoxcycle said:
I refuse to accept that cannabis is a benign drug and the culture associated with it is embarrassing.

What does this has got to do with it? I could say the same about opiate users, but I don't because I know it's a stupid generalisation.

I do agree that cannabis may not seem as harmless as "our culture" has portrayed it to be, but that's not so weird considering the pressure.

Anyways, there's arguments for both sides, but you cannot say that there isn't going to be any damage from smoking pot, we just don't know yet. So far I'll have to say that there is a possibility for neurotoxicity or cancers to develop from smoking, but maybe 5 percent of the entire smoking population smokes enough to risk this, most people don't have to worry about anything happening.
 
Oops. I see I forgot to post this one:

J Mol Med. 2001;78(11):613-25.

Control of the cell survival/death decision by cannabinoids.

Guzman M, Sanchez C, Galve-Roperh I.

Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology I, School of Biology, Complutense University, Madrid, Spain. [email protected]

Cannabinoids, the active components of Cannabis sativa (marijuana), and their derivatives produce a wide spectrum of central and peripheral effects, some of which may have clinical application. The discovery of specific cannabinoid receptors and a family of endogenous ligands of those receptors has attracted much attention to cannabinoids in recent years. One of the most exciting and promising areas of current cannabinoid research is the ability of these compounds to control the cell survival/death decision. Thus cannabinoids may induce proliferation, growth arrest, or apoptosis in a number of cells, including neurons, lymphocytes, and various transformed neural and nonneural cells. The variation in drug effects may depend on experimental factors such as drug concentration, timing of drug delivery, and type of cell examined. Regarding the central nervous system, most of the experimental evidence indicates that cannabinoids may protect neurons from toxic insults such as glutamaergic overstimulation, ischemia and oxidative damage. In contrast, cannabinoids induce apoptosis of glioma cells in culture and regression of malignant gliomas in vivo. Breast and prostate cancer cells are also sensitive to cannabinoid-induced antiproliferation. Regarding the immune system, low doses of cannabinoids may enhance cell proliferation, whereas high doses of cannabinoids usually induce growth arrest or apoptosis. The neuroprotective effect of cannabinoids may have potential clinical relevance for the treatment of neurodegenerative disorders such as multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, and ischemia/stroke, whereas their growth-inhibiting action on transformed cells might be useful for the management of malignant brain tumors. Ongoing investigation is in search for cannabinoid-based therapeutic strategies devoid of nondesired psychotropic effects.


So the author is suggesting that cannabinoids play a role in regulating both neuronal cell growth and death. This might explain the conflicting studies and mean that the situation is whole lot more complex than we had originally thought.
 
That's a pretty interesting abstract, think you can get the whole article?
 
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