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Which drugs would you legalize?

Which drugs would you legalize?

  • Marijuana/Hashish

    Votes: 540 56.1%

  • Cocaine/Crack Cocaine

    Votes: 110 11.4%

  • Heroin

    Votes: 146 15.2%

  • Opium

    Votes: 201 20.9%

  • MDMA(Ecstasy)

    Votes: 366 38.0%

  • Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate(GHB)

    Votes: 118 12.3%

  • Ketamine

    Votes: 206 21.4%

  • Dimethyltryptamine(DMT)

    Votes: 243 25.2%

  • Psilocybin Mushrooms

    Votes: 371 38.5%

  • LSD

    Votes: 374 38.8%

  • Mescaline

    Votes: 277 28.8%

  • Phencyclidine(PCP)

    Votes: 88 9.1%

  • 2C-x Family

    Votes: 213 22.1%

  • 4-AcO Family

    Votes: 152 15.8%

  • 4-HO Family

    Votes: 151 15.7%

  • DOx Family

    Votes: 138 14.3%

  • I would legalize all drugs

    Votes: 449 46.6%
  • Total voters
    963
But The Netherlands only has weed and mushrooms legal (that I am aware of, but I know the hard drugs are not legal) so it is not a good comparison considering everyone is petitioning for ALL illegal drugs to be available OTC. Not comparable.
 
Claire, I don't think a comparison is necessary. The war on drugs has been a complete failure. It has not accomplished any of its stated goals and has created problems and exacerbated existing ones.

If someone asked us to fill in the blank in the following sentence, could we? :

Despite its flaws, the war on drugs has been good for society because _________________


I cannot think of anything to put in that blank that would result in a true statement.
 
I agree it's a load of shit. I just don't think selling OTC would be a good idea. Decriminalization I am all for! People seem to think I am totally for the total drug laws, that is not the case. People above were comparing The Netherlands drug laws to the ones they want (legalizing all drugs & providing OTC) & I was stating that I don't think that is a reasonable comparison. I just don't want drugs OTC, that scares me personally. I know I'd be dead within a year. Of course not everyone is as stupid as me, but a lot are and do not know when to stop.
 
That's a fair point. But what is the solution for how to distribute drugs if they were legalized?

I do think some gradual change would probably be more effectvie than a sudden overnight change to OTC.

If drugs were legalized, change probably would be gradual. It would take time for legitimate markets to rise up to replace the existing ones.
 
Honestly I don't think there IS a complete solution to every problem.
I'd say if it ever were to occur, you would need to go to the doctor and be physically & mentally evaluated. If deemed fit to proceed, you go to the pharmacy and get your script. But of course prescriptions will be easier to get, not a medical reason why you need them. Of course, this doesn't fix everything. Not even close; plus they would be taxed to the sky. The reason why you would need an evaluation is because some people are NOT mentally sound or physically well enough for certain substances, for instance selling methamphetamine to a person with a bad liver/ heart murmur, or with schizophrenia/parkinsons is not safe. If sold OTC without evaluation, SO many people would be suing the government for their incompetence with not regulating them if someone they know dies, is unwell etc, even though it was there own personal decision. You know how some people LOVE to scam money anyway they can, this would be one of them without a doubt. I really do not think it is a wise decision to sell drugs OTC to anyone and everyone. Legalize weed though, the laws against weed are reasonably lenient as they are but weed is a lot more benign than most illicit drugs.
 
Mescaline is in a way legal. I mean you can go to home depot and get a cactus, but if they find out your using it for that then it becomes illegal. But the product itself is not legal, next we're going to find out certain breeds of cactus are illegal. God what is this world coming to?!
 
claire22 said:
Honestly I don't think there IS a complete solution to every problem.
I'd say if it ever were to occur, you would need to go to the doctor and be physically & mentally evaluated. If deemed fit to proceed, you go to the pharmacy and get your script. But of course prescriptions will be easier to get, not a medical reason why you need them. Of course, this doesn't fix everything. Not even close; plus they would be taxed to the sky. The reason why you would need an evaluation is because some people are NOT mentally sound or physically well enough for certain substances, for instance selling methamphetamine to a person with a bad liver/ heart murmur, or with schizophrenia/parkinsons is not safe. If sold OTC without evaluation, SO many people would be suing the government for their incompetence with not regulating them if someone they know dies, is unwell etc, even though it was there own personal decision. You know how some people LOVE to scam money anyway they can, this would be one of them without a doubt. I really do not think it is a wise decision to sell drugs OTC to anyone and everyone. Legalize weed though, the laws against weed are reasonably lenient as they are but weed is a lot more benign than most illicit drugs.
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i agree that if legalization were to occur, it would need to be a staggered legalization. ppl should have to pass drug education courses,physicals, etc.. to be able to get a license to buy drugs.
and yes i'm sure plenty of ppl would try to scam money out of drug companies but they do that now already so its not gonna be a huge difference for other drugs.


Fjones said:
Don't forget the anti-hippie movement, which had a lot to do with the overzealous persecution of users of LSD and other hallucinogens
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ah yes how could i forget that. i believe former president nixon had a big part in that. also, with cannabis, harry j. anslinger is the main reason cannabis became illegal. he is like the hitler of the drug prohibtion movement.
 
chrisinabox said:
i agree that if legalization were to occur, it would need to be a staggered legalization. ppl should have to pass drug education courses,physicals, etc.. to be able to get a license to buy drugs.
and yes i'm sure plenty of ppl would try to scam money out of drug companies but they do that now already so its not gonna be a huge difference for other drugs.
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True they do already, but I fear this would be a whole new level. If someone contracts an illness from a certain drug, say meth caused a person kidney failure: the family would demand compensation & claim it was the governments fault as they legalized it making it seem 'okay'. In this day and age, where we need prescriptions or bought off the black market, they have nobody to pin it on and claim money for their 'loss'. (except maybe doctors, and doctors are very careful with pres. drugs lately) We humans LOVE finding somebody else to blame it on, there would be a never-ending problem with stupid lawsuits about it being the governments fault they are sick/passed away. People are greedy and silly.
 
^agreed, but i do think ppl that do that try to pin it on the pharmaceutical companies that make the drug available, like ppl suing the Purdue company for making oxycontin. their loved ones become addicted and overdose and die and then the families blame the company that made the drug saying its their fault for doing this when its really the person who died's fault for abusing the drug, excluding certain situations.
 
chrisinabox said:
i agree that if legalization were to occur, it would need to be a staggered legalization. ppl should have to pass drug education courses,physicals, etc.. to be able to get a license to buy drugs.
and yes i'm sure plenty of ppl would try to scam money out of drug companies but they do that now already so its not gonna be a huge difference for other drugs.




ah yes how could i forget that. i believe former president nixon had a big part in that. also, with cannabis, harry j. anslinger is the main reason cannabis became illegal. he is like the hitler of the drug prohibtion movement.
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Harry Anslinger is one of the worst human beings I have ever learned about. I don't know how an insanely overzealous lunatic was given so much power.
 
I would leagalize crack. But here's how I'd do it.

It would be given away freely, in a big circular field, about 200 meters in diameter. The catch is, if you want it, you have to go to the center of the field to get it, and you have to smoke it right there.

I wonder how many people would ever be able to escape the field.
 
If you legalized all drugs, the prices of many of the "established" drugs of our culture (Weed, cocaine, opiates, ecstasy, psychedelics) would fall in price and be so widely available that I think a lot of the more dangerous fringe drugs would not survive in the market. Many people take methamphetamine because they can't afford better, safer drugs or they can't find them. If you had access to cheap, dependable coke or heroin, why would you want methamphetamine? This is, of course, assuming that drug education steps in to fill the void left by the removal of drug legislation. Everything hinges on that I suppose. I dunno, anyway you look at it, the WOD is at best a stopgap measure (that is, not a solution), or at worst an infringement of people's inherent freedom. It has to stop.
 
Crow九;6777494 said:
If you legalized all drugs, the prices of many of the "established" drugs of our culture (Weed, cocaine, opiates, ecstasy, psychedelics) would fall in price and be so widely available that I think a lot of the more dangerous fringe drugs would not survive in the market. Many people take methamphetamine because they can't afford better, safer drugs or they can't find them. If you had access to cheap, dependable coke or heroin, why would you want methamphetamine? This is, of course, assuming that drug education steps in to fill the void left by the removal of drug legislation. Everything hinges on that I suppose. I dunno, anyway you look at it, the WOD is at best a stopgap measure (that is, not a solution), or at worst an infringement of people's inherent freedom. It has to stop.
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i don't know about that statement. most ppl that do methamphetamine do it because they like it better than cocaine and its relatively cheaper and lasts alot longer. also, cocaine is really not much safer than meth. and i believe these hard drugs would still have a market just like those other ones you said. oh and why are weed,coke,opies,x all "established'', but not meth or heroin??
 
Crow九;6777494 said:
Many people take methamphetamine because they can't afford better, safer drugs or they can't find them. If you had access to cheap, dependable coke or heroin, why would you want methamphetamine?
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Well I was a meth addict for 6 1/2 years, meth here costs an arm and a leg and I did whatever I could to get it. I dislike coke because it lasts about 15 minutes and is a waste of money, heroin - I hate downers. Meth costs as much as coke here, still I have no interest in coke. I did it on occasion but it really isn't worth it because the time duration is so short. Meth - it lasts forever..12 hours or so. If I had access to better & cheap coke/heroin I wouldn't give a shit, I'd want meth, so your statement makes no sense. Besides, what makes you say coke & smack are 'better'? Each to their own.
 
I have to concur with Claire on this one and disagree with Crow; though of course I still oppose any prohibition and support all legalization; just not for the reasons Crow stated.
 
Besides Crow- the prices ain't gonna be dirt cheap if legalized! Tax tax tax tax tax! You think they aren't gonna pass up on that golden opportunity to make a shitload of moolah? Think again. They'll be taxed to high heaven and beyond.
 
The societal benefits of affordable drug addiction far outweigh the benefits of increased tax revenue. Every tax dollar you raise this way leads to more money spent on prison, courts, rehab, productivity loss, etc. It would not make any policy sense to tax recreational drugs like that claire. They don't do it to alcohol, they don't do it to prescription drugs, and they wouldn't do it to marijuana or methamphetamine either.
 
claire22 said:
Besides Crow- the prices ain't gonna be dirt cheap if legalized! Tax tax tax tax tax! You think they aren't gonna pass up on that golden opportunity to make a shitload of moolah? Think again. They'll be taxed to high heaven and beyond.
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i don't know who said they would be dirt cheap, i know they wouldn't be. they would prolly be taxed in a way similar to alcohol and tobacco, which is relatively cheap, especially compared to the prices of illicit drugs right now.
 
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