Mdma isn't addictive though and doesn't lend itself to multiple redoses/days awake.
Well it is neurotoxic, and sometimes with certain people it does lead to multiple redoses and a couple days awake. I've seen it. Also, MDMA is completely unregulated as an illicit compound, so there's lack of oversight, and people have died from unknowingly ingesting compounds like PMA and PMMA thinking they were taking MDMA tablets. No, it's not common, but it
has happened. And it's not as if chronic MDMA abuse is unheard of either. Some people will continue to chase and abuse MDMA even after the initial effects have worn off and well into Day 2 before crashing hard. You ever show up late to an after-after-party? "Rave zombies" and shit. Not a good look.
For a drug naive person the obvious choices would be weed, LSD, DMT, drugs that aren't likely to cause any harm or addictions.
It's somewhat ironic that you just mentioned three Schedule I drugs there. Meanwhile, cocaine and amphetamine are both Schedule II with the latter being frequently prescribed to those with ADHD. I think some people will likely view pharmaceutical products as being much safer than so-called "street drugs". Consequently, many people don't realize the danger of oxycodone pills, xanax bars, klonopin, dilaudid, and other benzos and morphine derivatives.
Also, let's not confuse methamphetamine with amphetamine or with the amphetamines class of drugs. For that matter, we should delineate between taking a small oral dose of 10 mg methamphetamine vs shooting up 100 mg IV, or even smoking/vaping 50 mg. These are completely different experiences. If Adderall seems like a more reasonable drug, it's probably bc you're taking much, much less and you actually know your dose. Meanwhile virtually no one weighs out each shard of meth before using it. People forget and before you know it, they're tweeked bc they weren't paying attention and meth can cause the illusion of sobriety sometimes, mostly at higher doses. But I'd bet money most adults cannot differentiate between 10 mg of d-meth and 10 mg of Adderall (d-amp) taken orally.
I would put addiction as the number 1 risk to anyone who is naive. Thus drugs like cocaine, heroin, Amphetamine, to be the most dangerous.
I would say lethal overdose is a bigger risk considering all those who died this way in recent years. Although addiction can easily lead up to a fatal OD, it's oftentimes not that serious. Consider how many people are addicted to caffeine. Granted, it's on the low end of the "speed spectrum", but we all know ppl who will have a shitty day if they can't get their morning coffee. We accept this risk and most caffeine users manage their addictions with little to no trouble or harm to their life. Part of the reason is that coffee/caffeine is widely available, cheap, and legal. Drug prohibition creates artificial scarcity which drives up the price and causes lots of problems. What's more, the sellers are, by necessity, criminals, sometimes violent transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) who exacerbate the situation while giving recreational drug use a wretched reputation of notoriety with the public. This needs to be stopped so we can fix this issue and significantly lower the amount of trauma drug laws dole out, plus it would defund these TCOs like the cartels in Mexico.
Actually… perhaps the #1 risk to a drug naive individual comes not from the drugs themselves, but rather from the criminal charges that can stem from brainlessly overboard drug legislation. For example, in federal court (not state) it only takes 5 g of meth to fetch the first mandatory minimum sentence and just 50 g of meth to trigger the second level, doubling the sentence. The two cut-offs are at 5 g and 50 g. The first mandatory = 5 years if no priors or 10 years with a prior. For the second threshhold, double those sentences: 10 yrs for 50 g of meth if no prior convictions, and 20 yrs (!!!) if you have a prior + > 50 g. So to be clear, in the U.S. if you have a felony and you're caught with two ounces, you're getting a mandatory 20 years. Two eightballs and you're going away for a decade. And even if you're on a first-time offense, < two zips will get you 10 yrs and < two eightballs will get you 5 yrs, mandatory.
| No prior felony convictions | With prior felony conviction |
|---|
| Arrested with ≥5 grams crystal methamphetamine | 5 years | 10 years |
| Arrested with ≥50 grams crystal methamphetamine | 10 years | 20 years |
In case someone wants proof:
https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2017/20171025_Drug-Mand-Min.pdf
These used to be the same statutes as crack cocaine, but people petitioned bc 85% of crack cocaine arrests in the U.S. happen to black men. They realized how fucked up that was and lessened the offense retroactively because it incarcerated too many people and unjustly targeted black men. However, meth users and dealers tend to be predominantly white, so don't expect any sympathy on that front. And because the public misunderstands methamphetamine, most people don't even know that there is a moderate, harm reductive, reasonable, and responsible way to use and enjoy methamphetamine. It's a wonderful aphrodisiac and a kickass recreational drug. It's often confused for being a productivity stimulant, which amphetamine is great at, but which methamphetamine is not. It's too euphoric and distracting. Compulsive types need not apply.
Know thyself, but also realize people are different and drug appreciation is not universal. What works for some does not for others and vice versa.
I actually agree with you, I was just trying to be funny about it, and ya I guess your right, meth is a lot more neurotoxic.
Just how neurotoxic it is
depends on the dose, the
frequency of re-dosing, and the person's
body temperature which has been shown to lead directly to neurotoxic effects. And to keep things in perspective, ethyl alcohol is neurotoxic each and every time it's used, too. Drinking kills brain cells, as we all know, but it's considered an acceptable loss most times as long as you're not overdoing it and giving yourself Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome (WKS), aka: wet brain syndrome. Meanwhile cocaine is cardiotoxic every time it's used, so you should pick and choose your poisons carefully and in moderation if you're going to indulge, which any adult should have the right to do provided it's done responsibly.
Sucks that it’s not as easy to find adderall as it is meth, I actually like the addy high a lot more. Plus I can fuck on it easier, I get meth dick bad
Take a PDE5 inhibitor. I recommend taking a half a Cialis to start. Cialis lasts the longest and comes on the fastest, but it's otherwise chill about helping you get massive erections when you want to. Viagra and Levitra are pushier about their effects. As an added bonus, they also promote testosterone production in the body. Highly recommended. Once you get that issue solved, I'm curious to see if you still think Adderall is better for sex than methamphetamine (in my opinion, meth is a better aphrodisiac, but different strokes for different folks and all that… literally, lol
)
If schools taught kids about how drugs work, maybe more people would know that mdma isn’t as safe as it’s made out to be, fuck just look up mdma LTC stories
I'd like to see funding cut from drug law enforcement agencies and vice squads and use that money to fund 100% honest public service announcements that focus on harm reduction instead of dissuasion and we get people with drug problems into the recovery and help they need from properly funded clinics that deal with this in a non-destructive manner. One problem I see constantly is these weak-ass diversion programs that are overcrowded and ineffectual. Some 3rd party company wins an exclusive contract with some local municipalities and the courts overestimate the capacity of these treatment providers, who are happy to take as much money as they can on this, fleecing people with drug problems, their health insurance companies, and the tax-paying public in general, all made possible by poorly conceived, reactionary drug laws written by clueless, ineffectual legislators posturing among each other and pandering to the worst fears of the herd-like masses.
My fears of having schools attempt to teach this particular subject are: 1. the topic is taboo and this approach could backfire and further entrench people on their anti-recreational-drug views, 2. many schools would not be equipped or trained for that specific education task, and many will not be there for years and years to come still. 3. last time this was seriously attempted in the U.S. we had the D.A.R.E. program which was really assbackward and fucked up. Cops are especially not qualified to be educators. What the fuck was the school system thinking? To an extent, I still believe that schools, public schools especially, groom children for incarceration later in life. They're trying to build a prison for me and you to live in, another prison system, another prison system. All successful research and drug policy show that treatment should be increased, and jail should be decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences. Amen.
Selah.
I think you might want to update your cultural references for 2024 a bit. And anyway, Goth kids are notoriously straight edge and if there are any drugs Manson probably encouraged the use of it would've been cocaine firstly and LSD secondly.