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Which drug would you like to see legalized the most?

i'm actually afraid of what legalization and further regularization of psychedelics might do to them.

like, instead of them being easily, cleanly and safely available, they are instead monopolized and monetized. i really think they have potential for that. some greedy enterpreneurs exploiting desperate people in their mid-life crisis or something. don't people already pay tons of money to travel to South America and have Ayahuasca experiences? well, let me tell you, i live in South America where this shit is legalized and common BUT you can't go around and buy Chacrona nor Caapi. St. Daime churches have a monopoly on this kind of shit: you have to go to a church and stand up for hours and take bullshit from a random shaman if you want the experience. you can buy stuff like Mimosa and Harmala to make your own brew, but that's just because the guys at St. Daime don't even know it's the same thing 8) if they knew, they'd jump at it already.

everybody is like dying for the "light at the end of the tunnel", for some mystical, magical (and easy!) cure for all those existential problems and whatever. pop spiritualism and pop self-help sell like TONS.

something like the hippy movement may be? idk i wasn't there. if that's what happened when psychedelics got to the western mass... enlightenment for everyone for 3 bucks... everyone was dying for it. (i'm just going by H S Thompson here, tbh). it would be a total shit if we had that under supervision. something like psychedelic spas and clinics for everyone... for 3000 bucks!!! and then, as it is 'regularized', the average guy can't trip.

like what is already done with ketamine and ibogaine clinics. one ketamine infusion per week, 30mg or so IV... 900 bucks per session???? that's ridiculous. but people pay because they're desperate and need it. not criticizing the people, criticing the fucks who DARE to charge this amount... so if you promise a mystical cure for whatever at whatever price, there will be people buying it, and no you can't do it at home, you have to pay a ton and come to our clinic/spa to try LSD. shitttt

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I think you may be thinking a bit too pessimistically, neurotic. First of all, I think that even if your prediction turns out to be true, the black market will still be there. If there is demand, they will supply it. There is no reason for them to stop working as soon as the drugs are legalized - only if they don't profit from it, and in your scenario they would, as people would have to turn to them (like they do now) to get their psychedelics.

I think what happens with ibogaine and ketamine might be a result of them being illegal and the whole thing being more of a grey area. Not everyone can set up such a clinic easily, so those who do, monopolize it, like you said.

Also, I think legalization means legalization not we-have-1-clinic-in-whole-country-which-costs-$5000-per-visit situation. What you describe could possibly happen, but then it wouldn't make the drugs legal. If they were legal in the traditional sense, simple supply-demand rule would mean that the price would have to be "reasonable" for most. Personally, I wouldn't mind paying like $20 or more for a hit of LSD from a pharmacy with known potency and purity.
 
hah, sure, i just *needed* to get that rant out fo me. the black market would certainly be the way to go then, and then it wouldn't be any "worse" than it already is.

now, on the 'legalization means legalization not expensive clinics' thing, that's mostly what i was getting at. i can be wrong, but i don't think this 'type' of legalization would work for psychedelics, given the way that i feel that people think, at least currently. i can't see the people at power leaving something as powerful and with as much monetizing potential (in the way i expressed in my previous post, and see happening with Ayahuasca) as psychedelics so freely available for everyone. may be in a time where people think differently.
 
I see. Well, part of me agrees with you, but I'm not putting my tinfoil hat on yet. I try to refrain from speculating about such matters as I don't have enough information/knowledge to base my opinion on and I'm not wildly interested in politics. We'll see what the future holds for us and hope for the best!
 
We are all discussing the socio-politic response to the legalisation of psychedelics but have any1 thought of what it might lead in the scientific field. We can all agree that at some point psychedelics can increase intelligence AND compassion both things usually opposite in a human developpement. Modifying those drugs in intend to reducing the confusing effect of those and increasing the selectivity to parts of the brain that increase intelligence and compassion and create a new daily smart drug with INCREDIBLE potential.

I'm not saying legalization would lead to a breakthrough in that matter but it will surely increase the number of people interested in the developpement of such drug or drug combination and will lead to more scientific experiments on the subject.
 
Dissociatives. They have the power to truly heal many people who are not doing drugs for pleasure but desperately searching for relief.

But the War on Drugs should finally end, as even some leading politicians said.. it is a war on people, on people who have nothing to loose than their sanity and lives.
 
legalize everything. I want to see a society in which the individual decides what is right for them. Unfortunately we won't see deregulation in this area the way we see deregulation in the financial sector.

If everything were legal, we could focus the money we use on incarcerating people into rehabilitating people that want to be rehabilitated. Most people don't want to be incarcerated, however, it should be a choice whether you stop using or not. Traditional crimes will still exist..ie property crimes, violent crimes, unlicensed prostitution... The police can actual devote their time to stopping these problems instead of busting johnny dimesack, and dopesick jerry.
 
Mycophile said:
Shrooms.

2nd place would probably be Acid or Mescaline.
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I would rather LSD was legal instead of shrooms because I can grow or pick shrooms. LSD I can't make and the world supply depends on a handful of labs. Two or three busts and goodbye LSD. Like in early 2000's I couldn't get it anywhere for any price. Mushrooms will never be hard to get.
 
^True that.

I say LSD. Any naturally occurring psych can be had easily enough if you're industrious. LSD on the other hand...

That day will never come though. I'd honestly say that LSD is probably the most vilified drug on the planet. People look at me like I'm some kinda of meth/heroin junkie when I say LSD is my favorite drug and I do it a couple times a year. The amount of disinformation about LSD is higher than any other drug, bar none.

I saw a survey of which drugs people think should have the harshest criminal penalties... LSD was number one. Over crack, methamphetamine, heroin, PCP... It makes me think there's no hope for the human race.
 
240sxLover said:
^True that.

I say LSD. Any naturally occurring psych can be had easily enough if you're industrious. LSD on the other hand...

That day will never come though. I'd honestly say that LSD is probably the most vilified drug on the planet. People look at me like I'm some kinda of meth/heroin junkie when I say LSD is my favorite drug and I do it a couple times a year. The amount of disinformation about LSD is higher than any other drug, bar none.

I saw a survey of which drugs people think should have the harshest criminal penalties... LSD was number one. Over crack, methamphetamine, heroin, PCP... It makes me think there's no hope for the human race.
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But it makes you see pink elephants, think you can fly and makes you go insane after 1 use! It also accumulates in the spinal cord plus you get those acid flashbacks after using, for a loooong while. It is the single most harmful and dangerous drug to have ever been created, ever. And no, this is all completely accurate because the government told me so. They want to protect me.
 
+1 for heroin. Prescribed as maintenance as is done in certain European countries.
 
even tho I am/was a raging dope fiend I think it would be cool if each month a new drug was legal -

October is DOPE month
November is COKE month
December is BENZO month
etc

It would be fun because then we get to use ALL DRUGS over the course of the year and the fact that we change it up monthly may save a few people from becoming overly addicted to one particular drug. wow, that idea is so genius that it may just become true within time.
 
Millions of depressed worldwide when Ketamine is approved as a maintenance drug, such as by nasal spray. A year or so, my MD says, but by then thousands of people, who might have benefited, will die.
 
Legalize Crystal Meth. Or just have doctors prescribe Desoxyn to people who have chronic fatigue syndrome like me and shut the fuck up about it! As long as people aren't abusing drugs what's the problem? But there are too many dumb asses in this world that exist.. 'tis the problem!
 
my3rdeye said:
I would rather LSD was legal instead of shrooms because I can grow or pick shrooms. LSD I can't make and the world supply depends on a handful of labs. Two or three busts and goodbye LSD. Like in early 2000's I couldn't get it anywhere for any price. Mushrooms will never be hard to get.
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Good point, except for that matter i've been MEANING to try growing shrooms for a while but have no confidence in my own success even though everyone says it's easy cause I have no knowledge of science or growing things and mess up lots of things people say are "easy".

By that token, SUPPOSEDLY making LSD is also "easy"...I'm guessing not quite as easy as growing shrooms, but supposedly still on the easy side if you understand chemistry which I don't.

I plan on trying to grow shrooms and REALLY hope I have some success and I guess if I try hard enough and often enough and buy the right equipment I can make it work.

But I totally see your logic.

It's the same logic by which no one should answer "weed" to this question, because within a decade the number of U.S. states and also other countries where it's legal/decriminalized will be MASSIVE.

And even where it's not it is still easy to obtain usually.

All answers in this thread should pertain to the drugs we like which are harder to get for that reason.
 
BostonBrownTown said:
even tho I am/was a raging dope fiend I think it would be cool if each month a new drug was legal -

October is DOPE month
November is COKE month
December is BENZO month
etc

It would be fun because then we get to use ALL DRUGS over the course of the year and the fact that we change it up monthly may save a few people from becoming overly addicted to one particular drug. wow, that idea is so genius that it may just become true within time.
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That's a hilarious yet good idea.

Mycophile said:
Good point, except for that matter i've been MEANING to try growing shrooms for a while but have no confidence in my own success even though everyone says it's easy cause I have no knowledge of science or growing things and mess up lots of things people say are "easy".

By that token, SUPPOSEDLY making LSD is also "easy"...I'm guessing not quite as easy as growing shrooms, but supposedly still on the easy side if you understand chemistry which I don't.

I plan on trying to grow shrooms and REALLY hope I have some success and I guess if I try hard enough and often enough and buy the right equipment I can make it work.

But I totally see your logic.

It's the same logic by which no one should answer "weed" to this question, because within a decade the number of U.S. states and also other countries where it's legal/decriminalized will be MASSIVE.

And even where it's not it is still easy to obtain usually.

All answers in this thread should pertain to the drugs we like which are harder to get for that reason.
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Making LSD is one of the hardest syntheses among classical illicit drugs. There's a reason the world supply relies on so few labs. It may not be "hard" for a chemist, but you need equipment and reagents clandestine chemists usually can't obtain.
 
It's funny because acid is one drug especially the people at the top of the supply chain are far from stupid. And you would imagine with being well versed in the psychedelic world and the money that's in LSD at the manufacture/laying level that they wouldn't short the tabs. Yet it was something like 69% of all tabs in circulation on the deep web were underdosed. Same prints those around the right music scenes will find available to them locally. The average tab now is something like 30mics.
 
Cannabis:
Incredibly, I actually haven't used cannabis yet, but I'm quite for it being legalized. It would be really cool for it to be viewed similar to alcohol (in a good way); that it's something that should be used with some degree of caution, but can be very enjoyable at times. (Not to mention its legitimate medical and psychological uses.)
Most traditional hallucinogens (as well as LSD):
I feel these would be a good deal less likely to be legalized, but it would be cool for them to be more widespread and people to be more open-minded about them.
 
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I would like to see MDMA and Weed legalized first. Both are harmless and pretty much accepted in society these days. Then Heroin due to the fact it would reduce crime and benefit society greatly.
 
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