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Which drug makes one the most creative?

yeah that's the guy i was thinking of lol. Really interesting as i find stimulants absolutely useless for music. I've often tried to translate music i hear in my dreams into real life music but the memory of it is always fleeting and difficult to translate.
 
This is all just my personal opinion.

splitz said:
I suppose though there is a definite link between psychedelic drugs and enhanced creativity because of their nature to lead the mind to unusual places

I'd say that's a case of drugs providing inspiration, not increasing creativity itself. Maybe I'm being pedantic.

robotripping said:
if it's music then psychedelics greatly increase my creativity and i come up with things i would have never thought of

Certainly it alters your creativity. I mean, being a different state of mind you'll come up with different things, if someone only engaged in artistic work while high they'd be missing out on stuff they'd come up with sober.

Also, I'd like to posit that improved improvisational skills/spontaniety in creative work while tripping/high/whatever can be explained partially by disinhibition, partly by the strong emotions these drugs evoke. On the other hand, I've seen an undeniable improvement in drawing skill/proficiency amongst tripping folk....but that leads me to another point:

parappa said:
If you take a talentless person and pump them full of drugs they aren't going to create anything.

I think that the idea of "talent" is, for the most part, a crock of a shit. Yes people do have variations in latent proficiency at any given activity, but for the most part the ability to be creative and technically skillful comes with practice (and practice, and practice. And more practice.). This goes for spontaneity/improvisational skills too (Jazz would be a very empty genre were this not true).
 
^that's really fucking cool. I'd enjoy watching it while tripping lol.

This is not me spinning by the way!
I also found the experience much much deeper, and fullfilling if I can spin and hence create.
Man, sometimes I just do drugs to get that feeling of flowiness, fluidity, perfect concentration. Mind and body being one thing, feeling so concentrated and focused that I actually don't have to think!
Does anybody else feels the same? I'm really curious!
Especially writer or musicians!
Maybe I should open another topic...
 
Weed or mushrooms. Not sure if they actually increase creativity, but they can definently help you think outside the box. Tripping on shrooms is a great way to solve a problem in that respect IMO.
 
It's not that any drug MAKES you more creative, it's just that you look at the same thing from a completely different angle. And I find that with mushrooms I think WAY more intensely about EVERYTHING that I see and I can make up a whole story by looking at something or from a seemingly trivial though; a same thought that would go unnoticed if I wasn't tripping. The same thought patterns happen with weed, but they aren't as intense. I also like the actual feeling I get from mushrooms more, but they are much more poisonous so my mushroom use is limited and I smoke weed in between; and don't get me wrong, I do love weed.
 
psychedelic mushrooms aren't actually poisonous and are probably completely benign other than affecting people with mental issues in unpredictable ways. You can't really take them everyday as tolerance builds too quickly, if that weren't the case, you probably could take them every day physically, tho i bet psychologically it'd have an impact on a person.

i think losing your inhibitions does play a huge role in creativity, you're not stuck in the box that you regularly are and come up with new, different or strange ideas. Psychedelics seem to add to that though, in some special way, like the music enhancement for musicians makes a huge difference. There are of course times when you dose too high and end up just playing simple sounds over and over again but there's a sweet spot for creativity.
 
This limited study (although certainly better than nothing) have found that people are more open for up to 14 months afterwards (and therefor more creative due to decreased inhibitions as RobotRipping & NeverKnowsBest said). That study was in the USA and it is positive that there is a small push for studies to be done in the UK for mushrooms as a treatment for depression.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news...cinogen_may_create_lasting_personality_change

Depending on the individual I would guess a steady regime of mixed psychedelics at low doses regularly taken only so often so as you don't become overly tired or familiar with the altered state would be the best bet for maximum mental enhancement.

Perhaps 2CX's, LSD, Mescaline, Mushrooms cycled with two to three weeks breaks in between, weed could be used on off weeks if it has a productive effect on you personally (rather than couch lock at some doses).

It is very hard to measure increased creativity particularly if the individual has not tried certain arts or activities both before and after using the psychedelics. It could also be more difficult to quantify for individuals who work in offices or sales and don't have any hobbies that require creative input, though you would expect their sales or performance to increase if they can be more creative in their work or perhaps simply because they are more happy/at peace.

I've been meaning to read the below study around Ayahuasca as it is something I would like to try one day after learning a lot more about it but haven't yet found the time (it's on my long list of unread writings of interest). An excerpt is below, I'm unfamiliar with any of the tests but overall it sounds like positive changes.

"Controls were actively participating in non-ayahuasca religions. Users showed higher Reward Dependence and Self-Transcendence and lower Harm Avoidance and Self-Directedness. They scored significantly lower on all psychopathology measures, showed better performance on the Stroop test, the Wisconsin Card Sorting Test and the Letter-Number Sequencing task from the WAIS-III, and better scores on the Frontal Systems Behavior Scale. Analysis of life attitudes showed higher scores on the Spiritual Orientation Inventory, the Purpose in Life Test and the Psychosocial Well-Being test. Despite the lower number of participants available at follow-up, overall differences with controls were maintained one year later. In conclusion, we found no evidence of psychological maladjustment, mental health deterioration or cognitive impairment in the ayahuasca-using group."

http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=8606&S=dmt&SField=all

It would be good if in the future when hopefully psychedelics are more widely accepted and available that studies could be done on best combinations for particular fields of work and art, of course some sort of mental compatibility test to drugs would have to be developed, envisage the following being available if desired by the individual;

Engineers building more cost effective and innovative structures on a psychedelic diet of LSD and 2CB, playwrights on ketamine and weed whilst finishing their scripts or our politicians and rulers sent on mescaline retreats to inspire the best policies for all.
 
I'd say that's a case of drugs providing inspiration, not increasing creativity itself. Maybe I'm being pedantic.

Perhaps you are a little ;) I essentially meant what you said, that's a more accurate way of putting it, but if something greatly inspires one, they have more to work with and thus more potential for creating.

I think that the idea of "talent" is, for the most part, a crock of a shit. Yes people do have variations in latent proficiency at any given activity, but for the most part the ability to be creative and technically skillful comes with practice (and practice, and practice. And more practice.). This goes for spontaneity/improvisational skills too (Jazz would be a very empty genre were this not true).

This is also true. Although I've always been good at creative writing throughout my life (at least relative to my age), I began writing lyrics once I began learning guitar, and started relatively late. I wasn't so great at first of course, yet over the last 6 years my lyrical abilities have been honed through practice and I'm still improving.
 
I think that the idea of "talent" is, for the most part, a crock of a shit. Yes people do have variations in latent proficiency at any given activity, but for the most part the ability to be creative and technically skillful comes with practice (and practice, and practice. And more practice.). This goes for spontaneity/improvisational skills too (Jazz would be a very empty genre were this not true).

I'd agree with you regarding technical proficiency on an instrument NKB, but I'm not sure I'd agree that you can hone songwriting in the same way. I think John Coltrane could have studied writing pop songs his entire life and still not come up with a hit, whereas Lennon and McCartney were churning out hits when they were 20 - surely that's gotta just be god-given talent.
 
I read one recent study that found alcohol, in a mild dose, can increase "divergent thinking" which is one measure of creativity. Basically thinking outside the box, to use a painful cliche. Psychedelics can certainly lower inhibition at times, and that can help with the creative process to a certain extent I'm sure. I do agree with the sentiment that has been mentioned several times previously, that drugs don't really make one creative, they just alter ones perspective in such a way that the creative process may be facilitated. Which psychedelic is best for that? You'll get as many answers as people you ask I'm sure. Given the highly variable nature of these things, I doubt its possible to come up with a specific regimen that would be effective for a vast swath of people.

In regards to talent, I agree that practice is the larger component, but there's certainly a genetic, or otherwise innate factor as well. At one point I was pretty adept at the keys, if I had kept up with it I could have probably been quite good. Would I have ever been a Thelonious Monk, doubtful. The existence of child virtuosos also supports this, IMO.

Like all human behavior, outcome=genes+environment +random chance
 
Amphetamines or alcohol. The problem with psychedelics is that the creativity that they cause is not always useful creativity, but is often "far out" creativity with little real world application. However, psychedelics can help enormously if you're blocked in some way, like writer's block, musician's block, engineer's block etc.
 
psychedelics can help enormously if you're blocked in some way, like writer's block, musician's block, engineer's block etc.

I may be wrong here, but I'm sure I've read about a mathematician who has used a certain psychedelic to help when he came up against a brick wall with a problem.
 
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