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where do australian pills come from?

JohnBoy,
I know it has been said before but goddam you find the right stuff...... That information was fascinating.... I knew you had knowledge/links/references on the health issues but does no topic on this subject escape your interest and librarian mind?
Thanks ( from somebody else this time )
 
this is from a malaysian online magazine. i can't find a date but it seems recent.
While the Singaporean Ecstasy is probably made in Amsterdam and imported through Indonesia, there is one other source reputed to be sending the drug into Malaysia: Thailand. These pills, however, are said to be made on one of the southern islands, a direct result of the European-inspired rave and new moon party scene in places like Koh Samui. One anonymous source told MR that there is even a European scientist working there, although "the equipment is pretty makeshift, but the guy's the only one who knows how to make the pills. The supplies and materials they can get easily, but they still need the expertise."
http://www.jaring.my/mr/auge.htm
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check out their pill picture and its disclaimer
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the magazine also has such interesting articles as "how to find a mistress" and "why you should abduct your children".
...The major drug problem, particularly in the urban centres such as Jakarta, has been the rising use of ecstasy. Among Indonesia's young urban elite the popularity of ecstasy has become widespread and there are recent unconfirmed reports of manufacturing this illicit drug both in Jakarta and in Bali.
http://www.ahrn.net/regional/indonesia.html
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1999 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report
Indonesia:
...Ecstasy abuse is a major problem, especially in urban areas. Methamphetamine was introduced in Jakarta in 1998. Many of the pills are sold as ecstasy in Jakarta nightclubs, but are actually methamphetamine.
...There has been an increase in clandestine methamphetamine and ecstasy laboratories.
http://www.usis-australia.gov/hyper/2000/0301/epf319.htm
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United Nations General Assembly
Special Session on the World Drug Problem
KEY STATISTICS: ILLICIT DRUG PRODUCTION, TRAFFICKING AND CONSUMPTION
Amphetamine-type stimulants (ATS)
There are no official estimates of the extent of clandestine ATS manufacture. Using numbers of illicit laboratories detected as an indicator, however, data suggest a strong increase over the last two decades. Between 1980 and 1994 the number of clandestine laboratories detected manufacturing ATS increased more than six-fold. Over this period, ATS accounted on average for 38 per cent of all detections of laboratories at the global level.
At the global level, clandestine methamphetamine manufacture appears to be most widespread. It is the main ATS in North America and the Far East while amphetamine and substances of the ecstasy group (MDMA, MDA, MDEA) are the predominant ATS in Europe. In the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) region, methamphetamine and methcathinone (ephedrone) are the main illicit ATS. The strongest increase in recent years has been in the clandestine manufacture of the substances of the ecstasy group. Most of this (both domestic abuse and trafficking abroad) takes place in Europe. Manufacture of substances of the ecstasy group in North America is almost exclusively for the domestic market.
http://www.un.org/ga/20special/presskit/pubinfo/info2.htm
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[This message has been edited by johnboy (edited 14 January 2001).]
 
oh i just had to add this one. it's from 96. does anyone know if she got away?
Indonesia is probably Asia's leading user of the drug. Sales are said to have jumped from 100,000 pills a month early this year to five times as many now. Television star Zurimah is on the run after being caught with almost 30,000 pills in her apartment in mid-August. The 24-year-old persuaded the officer escorting her to police headquarters to stop at her mother's house so she could take a bath before facing questioning. While he waited in the living room, she climbed out of a bathroom window and disappeared.
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/96/0830/cs1.html
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stop me if you are getting bored...
 
I think most of out pills would probably come from Asia. Seems to me the pills like BB's, HQ's, CU's and maybe those orange "?" are from there. The pills like Yonnexs, Melodies and triangle Mitsis most probably have come from europe, they seem to be different, more like MDMA than the ones from Asia that seem to be more like MDXX at times. This isn't a debate one what's good and bad, but just my thoughts.
 
JB, on that msian article, http://www.jaring.my/mr/auge.htm
It mentioned the "closure of the infamous zouk club last year" (or something like that)
Zouk was busted for afterhours drug use in the club back in 1993-1994 (i'm not too sure but i think it was 1994) which means that the article would have been sometime in 1995.
However, i would say that the situation is still pretty much the same over here with Singapore/Msia/Indonesia.
 
great article. first one to mention re-pressing. it's very interesting comparing ODG reports with US State Department ones. the ODG casts a lot of doubt on Thailand's committment to the drug war...
 
hugely interesting, this thread!
"who can find the better link?" hehe.
Pills in Holland are dead cheap. We are talking $3 a pill when getting into the hundreds. This is for pills australia pays 35+ bucks for, so the mark up is hugely substantial (we all knew this)
But as the price of production of E in asian countries reduces, does this mean the price of pills will also drop here? Especially because more people are doing it, it would make sense that the prices drop. People do seem to be paying much less these days for pills. A $10 diff from the start of last year!
Any answers?
 
From the boys in blue:
"I have not come across a manufacturer in Australia who’s produced MDMA," says the Victorian drug squad's Detective Senior Constable Bunning. "More than 90 percent is made here — and isn’t really ecstasy."
http://www.canberratribe.com/index.asp?url=/Pages/285/285.asp%3Ffeature_id%3D19265
My testing kit suggests otherwise... but then its from the UK. What would they know? *laugh*
 
errr, i recon what that cop is saying holds a large truth, most stuff produced here is not MDxx, is speed and other shit. the precursors simply arnt available to my knowledge. freedo:the MDxx we get here is almost always imported i would assume, thats why we can still get it, not sure if you misunderstood the article or not...
 
I might have missed what the article was saying then, Cowboy Mac. I read it to say that 90% of the XTC in Australia did not contain MDXX substances.
If it was simply stating that of the XTC made here, 90% does not contain MDXX substances then that does not suprise me as we are known for our speed.
 
ive read the same article, and yes, its stating that there is only 10% MDMA ecstasy in Australia, which I think is bollocks. I would say closer to 35 - 40%.
 
90% of the XTC they get their hands on. that's the important point.
here's my theory. it's justa theory but i'd like to see anyone challenge it;
backyard operators and local wannabees are more likely to get busted than professional syndicates. therefore the police are a lot more likely to be confiscating and testing imitation pills than the real mc'coy.
the syndicates that are bringing in the good MDMA pills are careful enough that they seldom get busted. the smuggling routes and methods are most likely long established and very reliable. these people are in for the long haul, not just a one-off money making scheme. the cowboys get busted and that skews the statistics towards the lesser quality pills.
10% may be true for the pills that the police have confiscated, but for the market as a whole it is laughably innacurate.
 
The "price is directly proportional to distance from source" theory doesn't seem to hold much water to me. Production is relatively cheap so i would think the wage level of the country actually determines the price. For example, Singapore and Australia while about par economically speaking, the wages in Oz are much higher than Sg. Hence the prices here are much higher. Also, the penalties here are much less severe and people are simply willing to pay more. Back in Sg/Msia, drug laws are tough and people are less willing to pay so prices drop to lure them in. Culturally speaking, I think us Asians are more particular about getting value for money resulting in cheaper yet stronger pills in the market. At least back home.
Moral of the story: If everybody stops getting desperate and are more selective, the price you pay for your kicks should drop.
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"Let us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of your path"-Jack Kerouac
 
Skye: I'm not discounting your view here. but what i am led to believe is that the closer you are to the source, the cheaper it is. And imports frm Europe are likely to stop by Asia first then on to Aust which most likely pushs the price up.
I am not comfortable mentioning any examples here but from experiences that is what i am lead to believe.
Speedbakes SHOULD be cheaper than imports, but that is just a menthod of maintaining a higher profit margin as speed is cheaper to produce and without a tester it would be hard to tell the difference. What i am trying to say in so many words is that local producers are ripping off the general public by passing speed off as MDxx.
 
Back to my original point on the last page:
I beleive that it is simple economics to say that the cheaper the pill the closer to the source.
Syke, you argue that pills are cheaper in Asian countries because wages arnt as high, not because they are produced there. Sorry but I beleive that to be wrong. Simple economics suggests that if that were the case big drug syndicates wouldnt bother importing pills to those countries in the first place as they could achieve much higher profits by simply sending them to richer countries instead. Poorer Asian countries with cheap good pills must either be producing or are very close to the source. Simple logic.
In the early 90's there was fuck all pills in Asia because only rich ex-pats could afford them because they were all imported and expensive. Now they are cheap. Wonder why??
Also the argument that everything is cheaper in poorer countries and therefore that is why pills are cheap is wrong. Imported things are just as expensive in poorer countries unless they are subsidised by the government. Its only the locally produced things that are inexpensive, or things made by countries that are just as poor. An example that everyone would know: Bintang beer in Bali is very cheap. Wine is more expensive than it is in Australia, because it is imported. Pills must be produced in these poorer countries for them to be so cheap.
 
Fair 'nuff. I do recall being offered 5000 pills for 6 bucks each back in Sg and they were supposedly proudly "Made In Singapore". Dunno bout the credibility of that since i didn't have 30 grand with me
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. However, do remember that these "poorer countries" also have relatively large populations which means sales volume would make up for lower profit margin. Then again i dropped economics in high school(equivalent) so don't quote me on that.
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"Let us hope that the whores of evil no longer loiter on the doorsteps of your path"-Jack Kerouac
 
heard from a m'sian that u can tailor make your own pill if u order 5000 or 8000 in m'sia? cant remember the exact figure. u can specify wat contents, the color, the shape and print etc.
a pill costs S$17-S$25 in s'pore.
pill production in s'pore is highly unlikely. where in a 42km wide, closely monitored island would u have a production plant? every inch of land is closely watched. i'd think m'sia and indonesia is where s'pore's supply comes from.
 
johnnyboy - thats about the most rock solid theory ive heard.. i was infact thinking along the same lines myself but i constantly get challenged about the fact that there is infact real locally made MDMA.
I'd like to hear your opinions on this (if you've expressed them already and ive missed them please direct me) but i honestly believe that if infact there was ANY locally made XTC at all there would be an extreme decrease in the market price....
as for the pill press thing there was a report about how pill presses have a habit of falling off the back of trucks.. whether the people who make the pills have any brains at all is also another question....
as for the price of pills.. we are looking at about $10-15 for hundreds of thousands and between $15-20 for thousands quantity and a street price of about $30-40 with a club price of about $50-60 ... so i just reckon we are getting ripped by most the local dealers here but anyway thats another story
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