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When you WD as much as you get high does your body just get used to it?

lozgod

lozgod

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I usually go through a week or so of WD and get high again for 2 weeks or so then WD again. All money issues. Got kicked out of PM a couple months ago so my never ending supply was cut off. I shot up 2mgs of subutex 2 days ago after my last 2 week run of heroin, opana, and finally roxi's and have no real bad WD symptoms. I have valium so sleep hasn't been an issue. Immodum for diarehha. Other than the head fuck I don't feel that bad. Craving like a mother fucker but decided I am done. It isn't fun anymore. I live in perpetual withdrawal.

Am I not THAT sick because of that subutex shot I did 48+ hours ago or is the 2 week run was so short after being sick for 5 days that this WD is gonna be mild. I'm confused and grateful I don't feel like death right now.
 
OK. No replies. 96 hours later still no major WD complaints. Sleep is getting harder. Don't know if it me tolerating the Valium or part of the WD. Using Lope for GI issues. No appetite. Weird emotionally but no torturing WDs. Worried about impending doom but as each day passes I don't think it's coming. Just PAWS. Might of lucked out this time. No plans on going back. Fuck that shit. Pleasure ain't worth the pain but can't wait until I feel like ME again.

*edit* no appetite whatsoever either.
 
Man when I was using I withdrew alot too. It seemed to me like it got worse everytime but it could have just been me getting more and more fed up. like the highs got lower and the lows lower.
 
I have often wondered the same thing. Unfortunately though, it seems that (in my case) every time I have to kick a habit (most notably narcotics and benzos), each withdrawal seems worse than the last.

However, when I was into stimulants (blow, amps, mdma) - as time passed, comedowns were less severe I found but only with stims.
 
With alcohol I think each withdrawal period makes future w/d's a little more likely to be DT like but that observation is complicated by the fact that w/d gets harder and more likely to be difficult and dangerous the older you get.

I'll speculate that the use, the w/d's, and getting older leaves one in a worse situation for their next withdrawal for most drugs. Its hard on one's body and psyche. I think when people quit for good its often because the pain of withdrawal is an embedded image with picturing the fun and pleasure of using.

"I can not believe I'm putting myself through this again." can eventually become a burnt in part of thinking about certain drugs. Most people tell me opiate withdrawal got harder each time but I don't know if it was because of previous w/d's or because they were older and not in as good health as they were earlier.
 
^ I think it is absolutely the progression of addiction. My nerves are fucking shot from all this and my health is not the same as it once was. I feel utterly shit now and I can sense every single tiny symptom of wd whereas before i did not obsess about symptoms as much and therefore they were inevitably not as bad. It is a vicious cycle.
 
Unfortunately yes, but it still sucks which is why I'm sticking to the lowest amount of sub possible, running out of subs and or kpins are two of the biggest reason I'll use to convince myself to go and use H or some other opiate.

It's not worth it anymore, even if I get high for just one night I feel off for days, where as if I just use the minimal amount of sub I actually get higher off the sub when I wait a couple days between using subs. These days HIGH is just feeling good and wanting to enjoy life. I've been to Jupitor and back with drugs enough times, a slight mood lift is all I'm seeking from any drug these days.

Besides, I have to work all the time and it's gotten harder and harder to go through the get high then wd cycle and keep up.

Every single person I've used heroin with has been arrested within the past few months, It's a bad cycle to get into and while getting used to wd'ing and being high may help mentally as far as coping, I think it wears you down. I know it wears me down, I feel a million times better on small amounts of sub and kpin as rx'd. For a while I'd use H every weekend but I'd pay for it every weekday.

I still get the urge but it's not as appealing as it used to be. I know sub/kpin is it's own demon but at least it's consistent for the most part. And legal!
 
Binge Artist said:
If the OP is taking Imodium and Valium, it's very possible that alone is enough to mask the WD's from a 2 week binge.
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I agree with this, the last time I ran out of sub I went on a week long H ... not quite binge, just not sick... anyway I used immodium and Kpin when I ran out of money and felt very little withdrawal, which surprised me since I kept anticipating a wd that never came.


I'm fairly sure there have been plenty of studies that prove it's much worse for your overall health to binge on something periodically then it is to just maintain on a drug whether it's alcohol or opiates or speed or..... cornbread... whatever your DOC may B.
 
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What are some long term effects on your health if you've been through opiate withdrawl a few times?

I've used xanax to get through w/d, it helps out a lot to ease the muscle shakes and insomnia. The shits are the worst... like I can lie in bed to just get through it, but nooo I gotta get up and run to the toilet every 10 mins to shart nothing. 8)
 
I have no scientific basis, or even empirical evidence beyond my own, but for me, WD's go easier when you've done it before, I am less anxious, and more ready to just do it and be done with it, ya know?

Edit: long term health risks are low. You may develop SOME heart irregularities, and it is never good to have your temperatureluctuawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwr.

All those good timeeeeeees, haha.
 
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All those good timeeeeeees, haha.
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That's nice.

As far as long term effects go, I'm sure there are long term effects from opiate use and/or withdrawal. When it comes to long term opiate use, considering the constipation doesn't go away, you may damage your anus after so & so from shitting baseball turds that you could possibly develop rectal cancer.

And as far as benzo long term effects go. After about 6 years of constant Xanax use, my short term memory is shot to shit.
 
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^ yeah my memory is killed from benzos and I was taking em RX'd - never really abused the badly because my anxiety is so fucking bad i needed em. Now i've cut them out, 14 years of using them, I am really hurtin and I forget shit ALL the time.
 
Enki said:
With alcohol I think each withdrawal period makes future w/d's a little more likely to be DT like but that observation is complicated by the fact that w/d gets harder and more likely to be difficult and dangerous the older you get.

I'll speculate that the use, the w/d's, and getting older leaves one in a worse situation for their next withdrawal for most drugs. Its hard on one's body and psyche. I think when people quit for good its often because the pain of withdrawal is an embedded image with picturing the fun and pleasure of using.

"I can not believe I'm putting myself through this again." can eventually become a burnt in part of thinking about certain drugs. Most people tell me opiate withdrawal got harder each time but I don't know if it was because of previous w/d's or because they were older and not in as good health as they were earlier.
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Kindling_(substance_withdrawal)
 
When I was addicted to oxy my body got used to being in withdrawal; however this shouldn't be confused with me not noticing it. I was just used to it. And it was every 2 weeks or less. Due to money problems. First 10 times sucked balls. But once I had passed like 15 times of being in like 3 - 4 day withdrawals, I just adjusted to it. Still sucked, but not as much as the first time.
 
Just make sure you use bupe like you are supposed to - it doesn't work if you binge, then use it to not get sick, then binge, etc... It will eventually stop working for that.
 
Mine have got progressively worse through the years. I think it is due to me getting older and not being able to bounce back like it use to, although the only thing that really ever gets to me is the horrible insomnia.
 
Insomnia is awful I agree. Personally my worst part has got to be the muscle aches and pains. Generally when I go into opiate withdrawal I'm usually able to control the runs with lots of loperamide. I can also control the sweating somewhat with a moderately high dose of clonidine. Any nausea is countered with dimenhydrinate (although I'm not really a nauseous person when in wd) and finally any insomnia and involuntary limb jerking - I use a high dose of alprazolam. However, the muscle aches I cannot seem to control with anything other than a strong opiate, although I heard kratom is good for this but I haven't tried it.
 
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