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Benzos when will this end?

butcher22

butcher22

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i have been a heavy drinker for many years and have been taking various benzos for about a year and a half. toward the end i was taking roughly 60-80 mg of valium a day. i went into a detox center and went cold turkey off of alcohol and valium (inb4 you arent supposed to quit cold turkey, i know this but america sucks and our doctors are very ignorant about benzos and addiction in general or just have an attitude like we deserve it so fuck us). anyways, i had a couple seizures while in detox but i think i am out of the woods now as far as seizures go but i still feel terrible. constantly sweating and clammy. hands and feet always freezing, no appetite, extreme anxiety, dizzy and confused, cant process thoughts well enough to carry on much of a conversation so i am neglecting my girlfriend and totally avoiding my friends, my sleep sucks, ect. i have been clean and sober for almost a month and its starting to seem like this might not end. i cant live this way forever, i am completely miserable. how much longer can i expect to feel this way? any tips on how to speed the process up a bit or make my symptoms a little more tolerable? im no longer hallucinating so i guess thats a plus but i am too terrified to even answer my door or go outside. i take valerian root with passion flower, vistaril, and remerom for anxiety and it helps me not to feel like im dying in the middle of the night and having some stupid ass panic attack but aside from kind of taking the edge off it doesnt do a lot. any advice would be greatly appreciated
 
DETROIT*edm*JUNKIE said:
Idk man im in the same boat.. phenibut helps ease the symptoms alot
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phenibut kind of scares me because not much is known about it and it is addictive in its self but i am almost desperate enough to give it a shot. do you find it helps you be able to function better? any ill effects?
 
i did some research and a lot of people are swearing by phenibut so i ordered some. i dont have shit to lose. i am excited about trying this if it helps even a little. thanks for the tip
 
From what I've heard this is similar addictive in comparision to benzos or alcohol and causes similar withdrawal symptoms working on the same GABA receptors. Be Careful! You don't want to trade one addiction with another.
 
This sounds like benzo withdrawal. I've heard it can be nastier and more prolonged than opiate WD, but I've never experienced it. Maybe check the benzo mega thread for a timeline.

Phenibut will prob ease your symptoms but you could start relying on that.
 
if what i read is correct phenibut works on GABA B while benzos work mostly on GABA A. so it is similar but not exactly the same, and supposedly the withdrawals can be pretty hellish but only last about 10 days which sounds like a cakewalk compared to what i've been through and am going through. i plan to only take it once or twice a week depending on how well it works. based on some of the forums i scrolled through most of the addiction seems to occur when people use it every day for an extended period of time or use like 3+ grams at a time. i hear you though, i will be cautious and at the first sign of dependence i will give the rest to someone i dont particularly like with no warning about it being addictive. jk. i'll flush it
 
Something else to keep in mind is that phenibut lowers your seizure threshold, this might not be the best idea for someone in benzo withdrawal. Tolerance also rises insanely fast IME, and the rebound arises fairly quickly (1 week daily use gave me nasty, nasty rebound). This has just been my experience though.
 
Sorry man this is a bitch of an addiction. The worst, in many opinions. I'm back on opiates and havent touched a benzo in a while. Worst hook ever. I use opes to sooth it. when I kick those, I have clonidine because im not touching a benzo again.
 
i had my last seizure about 3 weeks ago and my physical symptoms are much less sever now so i am not really worried about having another one. now its mostly no appetite, brain squeeze, insomnia and just generally feeling like i am losing my mind that is making me lose my mind. i will be very cautious with phenibut but if it makes me feel more normal even briefly i think that could be just what i need to keep soldiering on and not relapse. just a taste of normality to remind me what it can be like. relapse is a serious concern to me because i can get absolutely anything i want with a script whenever i want. i have to constantly remind myself this wont last forever and it will be worth it
 
VitamaN said:
Sorry man this is a bitch of an addiction. The worst, in many opinions. I'm back on opiates and havent touched a benzo in a while. Worst hook ever. I use opes to sooth it. when I kick those, I have clonidine because im not touching a benzo again.
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glad to hear you got off them man. yeah, when i was in detox i kind of felt like some people with other addictions were being pussies because they described being sick as feeling like they have the flu or something and i am thinking "so fucking what?" and then i felt like a jerk for thinking that way.
 
butcher22 said:
glad to hear you got off them man. yeah, when i was in detox i kind of felt like some people with other addictions were being pussies because they described being sick as feeling like they have the flu or something and i am thinking "so fucking what?" and then i felt like a jerk for thinking that way.
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nah you have a right to feel however you want. Benzo w/d is just a BIT more intense than "flu like symptoms " :P
 
There was a guy who was complaining about his alcohol "addiction" and he drank a bottle of vodka every week . All I could think was ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? You drink that little and you think you're an alcoholic? Gimme a fuckin break . ha. Some peoples addictions are just shit when you compare them to your own , but those people really do struggle so I know why you felt a little guilty but don't.
 
VitamaN said:
There was a guy who was complaining about his alcohol "addiction" and he drank a bottle of vodka every week . All I could think was ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? You drink that little and you think you're an alcoholic? Gimme a fuckin break . ha. Some peoples addictions are just shit when you compare them to your own , but those people really do struggle so I know why you felt a little guilty but don't.
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haha a bottle of vodka a week. i would almost consider myself a non drinker if i drank a fifth a week
 
Iv gone thru easily over a few 100 grams of stuff I can say its addictiveness on a scale of 1 to 10 is like a 3. Not nearlh as bad as traditional benzos but its still a bit addicting...


Phenibut does ease all the sumptoms of benzo addiction thou and helps u sleep real easy.. and believe me... a phenibut addiction is wau easier to manage and taper off of then a benzo addiction... it is a trade off but a good trade off because it is an easy step in the right direftion m..
 
DETROIT*edm*JUNKIE said:
Iv gone thru easily over a few 100 grams of stuff I can say its addictiveness on a scale of 1 to 10 is like a 3. Not nearlh as bad as traditional benzos but its still a bit addicting...


Phenibut does ease all the sumptoms of benzo addiction thou and helps u sleep real easy.. and believe me... a phenibut addiction is wau easier to manage and taper off of then a benzo addiction... it is a trade off but a good trade off because it is an easy step in the right direftion m..
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thanks for the reply. thats all i needed to hear. the more i read about it the more excited i get and less worried. now i just wish this shit would hurry up and get here so i can finally relax and maybe get more than 2 hours of broken up sleep. also considering how horrible benzo withdrawals are and to a lesser extent alcohol, i am not too worried about being addicted to anything else. i have been addicted to opiates before and it was no fun going CT off those but in comparison it seems so petty now
 
I took benzodiazepines for 9 years and for the last 6 years of my addiction I took 4-6mg of clonazepam a day. I quit last December and 10 months later I'm mostly suffering from depersonalisation and extreme mood swings between mania and depression. I don't get as anxious as I used to when I was still taking benzodiazepines, it's rather that I just don't know what to talk about to other people, after all I've been through, I don't seem to be able to talk about shit like partying and fucking, but perhaps it's only a matter of meeting new people who have some hobbies and passions. Honestly I don't know as I don't seem to be able to meet new people either. My physical symptoms from benzodiazepine withdrawal were mostly gone after 3-4 months, but it seems that the withdrawal took its toll on me, now I'm having problems with my immune system and my own bacterial flora is turning against me.

Your long-term addiction to alcohol is probably as much of a problem as your relatively short addiction to benzodiazepines. After long-term dependence it takes months and sometimes years to recover. If you've got a girlfriend and friends, then try not to reject them, because having contact with other people can help a lot, if they're real friends of course... When I quit benzodiazepines, I didn't go out for one month. Even when I started going out, I was completely different than I had been before, I wasn't as active, as funny etc., and nobody could really understand, nobody even tried to. The only two people who really understand my situation are my mum and my cousin, the rest who know shouldn't know at all. Anyway, what I mean is that you're going to need a lot of honest support to recover quicker. I wouldn't take any GABAergics if I were you, I remember drinking like 3 beers in 2-3 days set me back a few months. But I honestly can't really compare your situation to mine, I didn't have a long taper-off either but I didn't suddenly jump off 4mg either. Choosing to take phenibut or not also depends whether you've got some stuff to get done or not. I quit studying and my mum could luckily help me financially, so I could concentrate on "getting better".
 
i know what you mean. my personality is much drier and more boring and everyone used to know me as a comedian and now im not very funny at all. i have completely lost my wit. i too dont really know what to say to my friends anymore but i think they were just beer buddies anyway. i am 30 years old which in my opinion is really too old to try to make new friends and i am not really someone who needs people anyway. i am very reclusive and happy with my own company. my girlfriend is very supportive and i dont try to neglect her but its hard not to when every sound is amplified and even hearing someone voice irritates the shit out of me. i dont want to be a dick to her so when i am feeling really bad or grumpy i just tell her im not feeling well and she understands. she was on ativan for about 2 years. somehow she didnt have nearly as hard of a time quitting as i am but it still wasnt easy for her. on days that i am feeling better i try to make it up to her by being extra sweet and munching some rug
 
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