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When we die, do we go on a permenate trip??? (Read article inside)

I have however read specifically a near death experience of someone from 2ce that sounded identical to people who have actually died and came back and went off to another place.

Ketamine also has a lot of literature about it being like a near-death experience. Sounds a bit more like it than DMT - DMT is a psychedelic maelstrom, K is a lot less colourful.

But the problem is how accurately do words convey an experience like DMT or near-death? I can tell you a story about DMT and say "It's colourful and you sort of see translucent jewels and sort of feel a presence" and you could say "Well, I had a dream like that once so being on a full-blown DMT trip is just the same as dreaming". Or a christian might say "I feel a presence when I pray".

Obviously, you have to know DMT to understand that it's fuck-all like dreaming. But in words, DMT trips and dreaming can sound similar.
 
I was going to this church a few years ago . they showed a video though of some guy who died and said he like went to hell and then prayed and god like came to him and saved him then he woke up came back to life. I was identical to the 2ce one I read. they both described like people attacking grabbing them from every angle.

The guy said he was an atheist before but became full blown christian because of it and ended up divorcing his wife.

I just find it interesting really.
 
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I suppose the church would want to push a story like that tho - if you're an athiest the demons pluck your eyes out but if you're christian you're ok.

The question is how trustworthy the people telling you these stories are. And that's something you've got to work out for yourself as you go through life.

I spent a few months reading the whole "Life after death" Ray Moody thing, then you realise after a while that most of them are batshit crazy and would exaggerate and tell any bullshit story just to have the feeling that someone is interested in them. When you're a lonely old guy who'se just been brought back chances are the only one interested in you is the bloke you told about the angels. That's a pretty powerful motivation to make up fanciful stories.
 
I'm interested in this life after death stuff after my experience huffing spray paint.
Has anyone seen that drug addict show with the girl that huffs air duster, well one scene in the car after getting more cans she says "I'm disappearing", i say the exact same thing, the strange thing about it, is that everytime you pass out, the same things happen, with me i would always hear the click of the lamp and the tick of the clock at my grandma's house, and the bag i was huffing from shrivles up and melts, i also feel like my legs and arms are being twisted around (probably from the twitching).
The one trip i remember the most was after the twisting, i found myself stuck in the bed from the waste down, and i felt like i had broken the universe and my room was floating in space, then i felt like that part at the end of the truman show, where he goes out to sea to find a painted on sky like a movie set, like my whole existence was fake, i also had double vision, and i saw my mattress and part of the stand my tv is on over and over, the mattress made it look like there was a stairway leading up into the sky, the last thing i remember is hearing my dad scream out my name, then a whole bunch of laughs, and when i heard the laughs i thought "OH NO" and then i snapped out of it.
Other times i see the same thing happening over and over, i think i'm stuck in a loop forever and the shock always makes me think "OH NO" then i come back.
Its made me think that getting high off "brain cell killing inhaelnts" is actually dying and coming back to life, I'm certain the mattress over and over leading up was the "stairway to heaven".
Check out the inhaelent trip reports on erowid, ive read reports where ive had the same thing happen, but forgoten about it.
Also listen to the song Revolution 9 by The Beatles backwards, its the closest thing ive heard to what i experienced huffing paint.
 
this "study" was actually only studying near death experiences not death. if they truely were dead there would be no reviving them, as they were revivable that would mean that there was electrical activity in the brain. the effects were probably just as a result of cerebral hypoxia.

edit: belated caveat - assuming this study ever actually took place that is, rather than being made up in the head of a nutjob.
 
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2 people went to heaven, 1 person went to hell
and the other 4 didn't actually die.
it can also be interpretted as

2 people had a bombass dmt trip, 1 person just had a really shitty dmt trip
and the other 4 had a trip but didnt remember.
 
it always seemed most likely to me that when you die you just go back to what you experienced before you were born... speculating's fun but come on... got to have nothing to have something
 
This article is the most bullshit theist (probably Christian, seeing as it's American and most of this FW:FW:FW email spam bullshit is) propaganda ever. Seriously, it's absolutely blatant. I can't be bothered to read that Clontz guy's site, but I'm betting he's a nutjob. Don't believe everything you read.

Regarding your more interesting idea of the "Afterlife" being like a permanent trip, perhaps, though I'd imagine it would be massively massively further out than you could ever reach with drugs. Imagine trying to imagine absolute zero by extrapolating from the sensory difference in temperature between 100.0008 Fahrenheit and 100.0007. In other words, I don't think you should bother attempting to predict it from drug use, because you're probably more likely to be misled than actually educated. I guess the main thing to conclude is, like an epic ego killing dose, "it will be very very different" :).
 
I imagine my death like conscious being slowly fading away, brain activity gradually declines to the point where I can't tell the difference between "me" and other world, I lose the whole concept of ego, I have absolutely no worries and death feel liberating to me. I close my eyes, inhale and my heart stops after doing a few more last beats.
It must be nice experience. I have no fear of death, whether it is like I imagine it or not, I think I can accept it. Moreover, I really, really, really would like to experience death. Several times.
 
I was bored so I did visit it just now and found this "image of the oil plume they don't want you to see" supposedly from the Deepwater Horizon tragedy.

satanoil.jpg


then a poll "Satan - or an Illusion?" I'd say it looks more like a big cat of some sort, and of course that it's photoshopped to hell.
 
^ It looks more like a cartoon dog for me. :) Nothing scary.

Also,
Famed psychic and metaphysician Dr. Andy Reiss says space aliens “are working behind the scenes to cap and repair British Petroleum’s ruptured oil well in the Gulf of Mexico” with advanced technologies that are not available to “primitive” Earth scientists.
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Dr. Reiss: Civilizations on Venus, Mars, Jupiter and its largest moon Ganymede, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus are or will be involved.
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These quotes made me laugh. :D
 
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The positive experiences sound like the sort of thing DMT does to my brain.

My most memorable DMT trip, I went into the experience seeking answers and guidance.

100mg very cleanly extracted DMT and placed between 2 layers of cannabis in a straight bat pipe, glass heated to the point of DMT melting into the herb around it, packed down a little.

Setting was alone naked in my bed, Shpongle is playing softly but loud enough to drown out any ambient noise.

I hit the pipe 3, 4, 5, times, the number is lost to me, I went until i was unable to continue. Laid down on my bed, closed my eyes, and found myself falling through the void into this space. The space I was in was very calm for a trip of this magnitude, but what I found my focus on was this intensely beautiful light radiating such intense distilled positive energy that it went beyond imagination. While im not a religious person, the description "held in the warm embrace of god" is the closest thing i can think of that gives people a suitable idea of the nature of it.

I think a large part of it is in the idea of set and setting. When you die, those 15 minutes stretch on into forever, none of us argue that the passage of time can be warped to the point of lacking meaning. And the nature of what you experience is affected by set and setting. When you eat a psychedelic, thoughts and feelings manifest themselves into the experience even if they are repressed.

You live a life full of personal regret, feel that you hurt or wronged others, hated yourself and the life you lived, well yea when you die it probably wont be happy things running through your brain.

You go into the experience of death with the idea that you lived life to the fullest, did everything you could to help other people and feel that your existence had some deeper meaning and you lived out your days without regret for what you did or did not do, taking it only with acceptance and peace the experience is far more likely to be a positive one.

A suggestion to watch Enter the Void for those of you that haven't seen it.... Its a visionary first person look at the experience of death as well as a retrospective of a life, death, and after.
 
The fact that these people won't publish their results means that their research can't and won't be taken seriously by their scientific peers. Whether they actually did this or not, it's scientifically unsound to accept any of this as fact.

Plus, the sample size was small, there was no control group, and fewer than 50% of the test subjects actually reported anything. Oh, and they were already on drugs before they "died".

Were I to guess, I would call this whole thing a rather sloppy attempt at pseudoscience. But, of course, I'm well above that kind of speculation. :)
 
Okay, I'm no doctor, but you can't administer a lethal dose of barbiturates, have a patient dead for 15 minutes, and then revive them. Doesn't happen, just doesn't. This sounds like a load of bullshit. I have heard of near death experiences being extremely pleasant, but this study write-up is fake.
 
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