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When am I going to get some sleep, relief?

martinbr

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It's been twelve days now being off suboxone. Still having massive sleeping problems. I got off this crap last year with hardly a withdrawal. But this time is different. This had been a hell of a ride. Can't sleep, low energy, and the worse possible case of itchy feet! All I do is put lotion on my feet and scratch. Went to the doctor for it. He gave me some prescription creme. And get this, he prescribed Tramadol. Some of the same crap that I am trying to get off of. I wouldn't have known it, but went on the internet and found out. I told my doctor I was a addict. He knows my condition. I still have RLS and fall asleep for a 1/2 hour or two. I have a feeling it's going to be awhile before I feel better, but I am not going back to that crap. I almost gave in and was going to call the clinic to get some more BUP, and maybe taper off some more. But why delay the inevitable. Just rambling sitting at my laptop in the middle of the night.
martinbr
 
I came off subs over the summer, and the last of the WD symptoms (insomnia for me, too) lingered for a little less than a month. I was on 16mg/day, which I had tapered down to 4 when I jumped off. But I'd only been on them for about 6 months... I assume a longer history would have lengthened the detox.
 
For me day 18 was the first turning point. I got a couple hours sleep that day. Then I felt like shit again until day 25 when I felt a little better. I was still having symptoms at day 33 when I relapsed though so I cant tell you exactly what happens after that. I pulled the timetable from my rehab journal. It does get better but its a very gradual process. Its not like dope where you start feeling better all at once. It wasn't for me anyway.

My advice is too take the tramadol. It will be a nice step down between suboxone and sobriety. Also try to get clonidine a muscle relaxer and some gabapentin.
 
Martinbr- you're doing great! I hope
You are proud of your accomplishments! You may want to consider taking some magnesium as that may help your restless legs a little. Be careful if you go the route of benzos or muscle relaxers as those can be addictive in their own right. Keep up the great work, you're so close!
 
Man, this is brutal. This is the worse day yet. But I not giving in. Going to a meeting tonight to get some support. Hope it gets better soon...
martinbr
 
You can do it, Martin! I didn't have too much trouble sleeping when I came off subs for good, but I never got any sleep back when I would go thru wds from running out early of whatever I was on. It is brutal to be exhausted and unable to sleep!

It really does get better. You're still retraining your body how to function without opiates. I was lucky bc I had some leftover requip for restless legs. I think that helped me sleep for the first few days. I also took immodium for the first few weeks and decreased it every day until I was off of it so I wouldn't be going to the bathroom once an hour. I feel it really helped with a lot of wd symptoms that kept me up in the past. Sweating/freezing especially and it was easy to taper off of since it doesn't actually make you feel good.

Stay strong! One night you will turn the corner and sleep will come to you. I'm rooting for you...Subs saved my life at one point, but became the devil eventually. Life without being centered around meds is so much better.
 
Man, this is brutal. This is the worse day yet. But I not giving in. Going to a meeting tonight to get some support. Hope it gets better soon...
martinbr

Do you have any comfort meds? If you can get to a doctor and get some clonidine and a muscle relaxer you will feel much better.
 
Hey, martin... did you end up hitting that meeting? If so, how was it?

I have really mixed feelings about NA/AA. But sometimes it is nice to chill out at a meeting, just drinking bad coffee and listening to people.

I hope you're hanging in there, feeling a bit better even.
 
It's been twelve days now being off suboxone. Still having massive sleeping problems. I got off this crap last year with hardly a withdrawal. But this time is different. This had been a hell of a ride. Can't sleep, low energy, and the worse possible case of itchy feet! All I do is put lotion on my feet and scratch. Went to the doctor for it. He gave me some prescription creme. And get this, he prescribed Tramadol. Some of the same crap that I am trying to get off of. I wouldn't have known it, but went on the internet and found out. I told my doctor I was a addict. He knows my condition. I still have RLS and fall asleep for a 1/2 hour or two. I have a feeling it's going to be awhile before I feel better, but I am not going back to that crap. I almost gave in and was going to call the clinic to get some more BUP, and maybe taper off some more. But why delay the inevitable. Just rambling sitting at my laptop in the middle of the night.
martinbr

There is actually a medical opioid use disorder detox protocol using tramadol to transition methadone and buprenorphine patients off their medication. It also has a great track record as a comfort med (assuming you only use it for two weeks, during which time you slowly taper off the tramadol).

If he gave you tramadol, you are still having problems with RLS and insomnia, and you haven't thrown it away, I strongly suggest you give it a shot. What kind of prescription for tramadol did you get (like 50mg instant release pills, 100-300mg time release pills, etc)?

You should also pick up some Tiger Balm for your RLS. It helps a hell of a lot more than you might imagine, particularly for the RLS associated with buprenorphine withdrawal for some reason (IME) - and it has no side effects of risk of dependency =D There is also a drug called ropinirole, the only drug I have ever heard of used specifically (and only) to treat RLS (it also carries no risk of dependence). Gabapentin is also fairly effective at treating RLS (though it carries a minor risk of dependency).

Melatonin may help a bit with your insomnia, but you would be better of taking a low dose of a gabaergic substance like diazepam, clonazepam or lorazepam (preferably not alprazolam given its short action; ideally diazepam, given its long action and it muscle relaxant properties). There are also the z-drugs that can help with sleep, such as like zopidem or zolpiclone. All these medications should only be used for a short period of time as there is a significant risk of dependency if used for more than two or three weeks (MAX).

If you get desperate there are also antidepressant used as sleep aids, like trazadone, as well as antipsychotics, like quetiapine, that can knock you out (there may or may not be a risk of dependency with these types of medications). Diazepam and clonazepam are the gold standard when it comes to sleep aids for opioid detoxes though (with diazepam being preferable for the majority of patients).
 
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I feel the same. I have yet to go to one but have had plenty of close friends who did. My one buddy told me NA was commonly court ordered, so it wasn't the healthiest place for someone who is actually ready or trying to kick addictions. He said one NA meeting was basically a druggy meeting where everyone was talking about the glory of drug use and how much they missed it... very triggering and lots of the wrong connections to be made. Another buddy who never even drank went to AA instead, since there were more people who wanted to be there. I'm wondering which one I should try, if any.

Also Martin, Kratom has helped me immensely over the last year. I'm over a week off Ox and IMO it works better than subs and extremely easy to cut back/jump off of. PM me if you want some advice. Seriously, I have jumped off shit probably 20 times or more in the last year and have always chosen kratom over the few subs in my possession and are now collecting dust. Feel better!
 
I feel the same. I have yet to go to one but have had plenty of close friends who did. My one buddy told me NA was commonly court ordered, so it wasn't the healthiest place for someone who is actually ready or trying to kick addictions. He said one NA meeting was basically a druggy meeting where everyone was talking about the glory of drug use and how much they missed it... very triggering and lots of the wrong connections to be made. Another buddy who never even drank went to AA instead, since there were more people who wanted to be there. I'm wondering which one I should try, if any.
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One thing to keep in mind is that within a given fellowship, e.g. NA, individual meetings have fairly unique "personalities." If you do end up trying one of the twelve step groups, it's probably a good idea to sample a few meetings in your area, to see which ones you like most.
 
The Tramadol are 50mg. I don't know if there timed release though. They act fairly fast. They are helping. Just another addiction to get off of. So it might take me a little bit longer of a withdrawal period. I take on tablet of amitriptyline 25mg. It's a anti depressant but I use it for my feet. Peripheral Neuropathy.
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