What's the world coming to?

ya you could argue that getting high and/or having an abortion are morally wrong (which, of course, both can be in circumstances, but neither is automatically), but wtf do the nazis have to do with the current abortion issue? and wtf does your abortion rant have to do with this, or is it just randomly tossed in because the word 'morality' came up?
 
and this is why all serious debates fall apart
people on both sides take things to the extremes
my personal opinion is that short term usage will increase due to increased availability
long term usage may decline as seen in holland, however with no hard evidence for regulation it will be next to impossable to get all drugs leagalised
 
S.J.B. said:
According to the FDA the science has already said that it is perfectly fine for human use, as it has been prescribed for obesity and ADHD for decades. The real issue is the dosage of "crystal" meth. I would say that in Quebec and Ontario, methamphetamine is the second most popular recreational drug after marijuana. However, very few people become addicted. Why? It all comes in low-dose "speed pills." I think the smartest option would be for the government to allow methamphetamine to be exclusively available in pill form with a reasonable dosage per pill.
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I 100% agree. The problem is that corporations like Shire push medications made to try and stop "Abuse"

When in reality, the whole idea behind a limit on one's rX is to keep one from abusing. This is one reason why I believe if one is prescribed dexedrine or desoxyn, they can't just buy 1000 pills.

A person stays up for like 4 days on their rX. So what? Now they no longer have prescription amphetamine until next month. Is it dangerous to allow people access to things that can be redosed easily? A bit. But it's much better than say people taking crystal meth and getting large amounts of iodine or acetone in their system. Either way, amphetamines are both a growing advantage and problem for the world.

As for the bleeding heart parents: "Protect the children oh my god they're all gonna die because they can snort a pill" it's sort of a parent's responsibility, not a corporation's, to put limitations on their kids' use. I believe the problem is that people (parents especially) would rather feel secure than arm themselves with knowledge. The funny thing is, the moment their kid touches crystal meth, he or she is never going to take their side-effect rampant ADD medication again.Their false hope of security gives birth to a new demon and it's their own child.

In America (Especially the south) I hear about and watch an escalating amount of kids in the lower generations getting on meth. Kids wouldn't lose so much weight if their meth was 30 5mg pills and not grams upon grams of crystals. The older generations, excluding federal officials and possibly local law enforcement, have no idea how common it is. It's to the point where if I find a baggie on the ground, it will usually contain the ex-contents of meth crystals.

Once my generation hits 40-50, I could see a slight decline in teen meth use as it will be easy to spot.
 
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slimvictor said:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/netherlands_v_us
and
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/371/ille/library/dolin1-e.htm
and
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/country-overviews/nl

And in Portugal::
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
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okay i open your first link and not only do i not see any stats on long-term reduction, but practically no long term references at all. the longest period shown was '01-'07, whcih showed increases in usage.

curious which part of that page you meant..
 
bmxxx said:
okay i open your first link and not only do i not see any stats on long-term reduction, but practically no long term references at all. the longest period shown was '01-'07, whcih showed increases in usage.

curious which part of that page you meant..
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Actually, I only saw the increases as well. I wasn't meaning to say "these show that Holland drug use went down", though I had heard that repeatedly. What I found on those pages made it look as if drug use went slightly up, but is still very comparable to use in other European countries. However, none of the stats really covered the whole period from decriminalization to now.

(Portugal, however, was different, and drug use did go down, according to that link).
 
that's what you quoted on it tho..either way lol.
portugal went down in some things up in others IIRC. and the netherlands saw a rise just like the rest of the world, but not as big as many/most comparable countries (it was more resistant to teh global trend you could say). a lot could be learned from both countries' policies.
 
Ho-Chi-Minh said:
You never hear about addiction after the first hit with them. With heroin and meth its a different story.
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Bullshit. There is only one real "first hit" drug and that is tobacco.*

First-hit addiction can obviously happen with other drugs, but it isn't that common.

*I'm not trying to say that people actually become addicted to tobacco the first time they try it - just that it is has by far the largest percentage of one-time users who eventually become dependent.
 
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