what's the chance of catching cotton fever if used as a filter?

[onlyone3232]

I was gunna get 0.1 grams of h which but ended up only getting 80mg of oxy which i got a to friend to IV me. (im a little disappointed I couldnt get the smack) he used cotton as a filter as he didnt have any micron filter & im pretty sure they dont come with the fit packs ya buy from the pharmacy so they're hard to get unless ya buy the from the internet which i dont have a credit card.
I also swallowed the binder that was left on the spoon im not sure if it contains traces of more oxy. does anyone know of it does or not?
I had some GFJ with 40mg of valium this morning too so im feeling ok.
got just a few beers too.

he cooked up the oxy which im not sure is a good idea but im assuming as long as ya use a filter it isnt so bad.
can u get pill binders even if u use a filter after cooking?
what about using a filter when not cooking it up. can u still get binder?
(obviously there would be only small amounts of binder?

if u only inject small amounts of binders occasionally should that be ok? or does it acutally build up in ya system slowly over time?

do the pill binder permanently stay in ya system or do they go away over the years?
it gets cought on ya lungs doesnt it & leads to breathing problems right?

Should I definitely stop cooking it up in if i decide to IV oxy again or is it pretty safe to do that as long as u use a filter
obviously theres a pretty low chance if injecting a bad amount of pill binders & is pretty safe if u use cold water & a filter or is it still dangerous even if used this way?

how do u get cotton fever? (is it when some cotton actually gets in the needle?
does it just happen sometimes or do u actually have to fuck up the way u use do it?
when u use a ripped off little bit of a cotton ball as a filter what are the chances of getting cotton fever?
does the risk of developing cotton fever from using a cotton ball as a filter outweigh the risk of not using a filter at all?

 

[onlyone3232]

nobody has any how u get cotton fever?

 

[cj]

cotton fever is caused by bacteria in the shot. you shouldnt add heat to pills as it will dissolve the binders which the cotton filter will not really help with.Fillers like talc can build up in your lungs over time causing problems

 

[woamotive]

You really shouldn't IV oxycodone/oxycontin (or most all pills) w/o a micron filter.

Binders are most likely to have made it into your shot as a cotton is not sufficient for pills (like oxy). If you don't do this often/regularly then complications are less likely to present themselves down the road.

I wouldn't recommend a cotton shot/rinse not only for chances of cotton fever but general bacteria reasons (bacteria most likely has taken a seat on your cotton-causing various sorts of infection and all that jazz. Likelihood? I can't say for sure. Also, the gunk left behind on/with the cotton is just the filler(s) or binders. I'd not bother eating it.

 

[Violenza666]

Do you really want to take the chance? Go to a needle exchange or buy some micron filters. Fuck cotton fever. Trust me.

 

[onlyone3232]

sorry for making a double thread. I actually wrote the same question when i was drunk & on oxy & didnt remember making the other one
it's just that i rarely IV & when the opportunely arises its all the guy that helps me do it has.
do u think rolly filters may be better?
do u have to peel off the coating?
they're really just cotton.

with the needle exchange programs they have in Australia they dont come with micron filters. Id have to actually get a credit card & find somewhere on the internet to buy it from.
AFAIK most ppl in australia just use cotton.

I read somewhere on the internet that tipping boiling water over the cotton can help kill some of the bacteria. Is this information correct?
maybe soaking it in boiling water, or is that a bad idea?

if anything even if i dont wanna IV anymore in the future i wanna atleast give my friend some tips for HR.

besides pouring boiling water over the little piece of ripped off cotton.

is there any other ways to help avoid cotton fever i can atleast tell other ppl?

I have IVed OC a few times. i dont really see any difference from chewing them up. so i wont be IVing that any more. I dont think i'll be doing h again. but if the opportunity arises one day...
i wanna atleast lower my chances of getting cotton fever. i dont think i'll do it again so im not gunna go get a credit card & try to get micron filters from the net just in case if u know what i mean. Me having a credit card would be a bad idea. that's even if i can get one because im not working atm

EDIT: Oh no I'm getting conflicting information. i read on one site that its better to pour boiling water over the cotton now i just read this on an erowid experience

Cotton fever is a terrible thing. Anyone using intravenous drugs should do every thing they can to avoid this experience. Since you must use cotton as a filter, it is always a hazard, but there are precautions you can take. When using heat to break down the drug, let the solution cool down before dropping the cotton in, and never apply direct heat while the cotton is in the solution.

Heat frees up and breaks the cotton down so it is more easily sucked up into the syringe. Sometimes people save a number of cottons from each use, and mix them with with water when they dont have other drugs, especially with opiates and a daily physical addiction. This is very dangerous, especially when heated with a lighter in a spoon. (I caught the fever this way

im going to keep doing research now but if anybody knows whather the filter should be eheated or not id really appreciate your input

 

[muvolution]

Here is what you do if you can't or wont use a micron. Boil some cold tap water in a clean pot. This will be your shooting water. Do the same to a buunch of cotton striippped off q tips (it is cleaner), then use tiny bits of this cotton rolled tightly as filters. It will still never filter as well as a micron, but it is a safe way to use cotton as a crude filter.

To increase the efficacy, you can backload a large 3ml syring with the cotton (presoaked) then backload a solution and push it through. This keeps the cotton packed more tightly and ensures that it filters well.

 

[Tommyboy]

Make sure to wash your hands very well before ripping off and handling the cotton. I don't know how much pouring boiling water over the cotton would help , so you are better off worrying about using a new piece of cotton each time, from a sealed container, and using sterile water.

Don't the needle exchanges at least give you clean pre-rolled cottons? Some needle exchanges in Queensland sell micron filters. Check out this list of harm reduction resources in Australia.

I also wanted to reiterate that it is harmful to heat pills for injection. Oxycodone dissolves just fine in room temperature water, so anything left behind is inactive fillers. Heating the solution would allow the fillers to temporarily dissolve, only to re-solidify in your veins once they cool down enough. From there it can build up in you and cause problems.

Oh, and you're not allowed to IV anything else until you read this thread.

 

[onlyone3232]

^^so u'r saying i put the cotton in boiling water first. did u see my edit in my last post?
it has conflicting information
by doing a bit of reading cotton fever is mostly likely to occure if u re-use a peice of cotton used several times to get some of ya Drug of choice that's left over.
So never re-use cotton to try to get a high.
im going to do a bit more reading.
Im not sure whether to soak the cotton in hot water of cold water before adding it to ya spoon!
obviously ya wanna pre-soak the filter so it doesn't absorb any of ya drugs

 

[onlyone3232]

Make sure to wash your hands very well before ripping off and handling the cotton. I don't think that pouring boiling water over the cotton would help much, so you are better off worrying about using a new piece of cotton each time, from a sealed container.

Don't the needle exchanges at least give you clean pre-rolled cottons? Some needle exchanges in Queensland sell micron filters. Check out this list of harm reduction resources in Australia.

I also wanted to reiterate that it is harmful to heat pills for injection. Oxycodone dissolves just fine in room temperature water, so anything left behind is inactive fillers. Heating the solution would allow the fillers to temporarily dissolve, only to re-solidify in your veins once they cool down enough. From there it can build up in you and cause problems.

Oh, and you're not allowed to IV anything else until you read this thread.

I didnt see this reply before i made my last post. I'll have a read of the links u gave me now.
yeah ive told my mate not to cook up the oxy but he wont fucking listen to me. he says thats how everyone does it.i'll have to convince him.
if im stupid enough to shoot oxy again i'll make sure mine isnt cooked. but i think i'll just chew them up. On 2nd thought i might just chew them in the future & not even consider IVing em. But it would be a waste with h.
my friend says they dont provide filters. they damn well should. ive never personally got any from the pharmacy though so im just going by his word but im sure he would be using a micron filter if it was provided with the "fit pack"

I dont wanna get cotton fever. I just read in another tread that somebody has been using for 8 years & has never got it but they said that they've never re-used the same filter
I dont wanna get what that guy in the movie "Requiem for a dream" had!!!

Im doing searching on google of "avoiding cotton fever" but not getting much luck finding info

ive never met anyone who has had access to micron filters.

that quote in my post above from erowid says u should wait for ya mix to cool down abefore adding the filter.
many ppl say that cooking up h is a bad idea anyway. but thats the way my mates always done in.
cooking up oxy i know for a face is a bad idea. but theres conflicting opinions on BL whether u should cook up the h.
(not the tar stuff, just the powder). so basically ive just done what his done which is cook up the h.
so maybe it should be left for a while to cool down before adding the cotton.
seems im worrying over nothing a bit because from what ive read its pretty uncommon if ya using a new piece of cotton every time.
My mates been cooking oxy up for years. I didnt know about the filters dissolving from cooking it up untill recently finding out on BL & have made the mistake of letting him cook up my shot.
ive only done it a few times so i guess i shouldnt be worried. but maybe i should tell my friend to get a chest x-ray or something. would that pickl up any problems.
can u get problems from just doing it a few times or does in generally take alot of uses of injecting the binder to cause anything serious?

 

[Tommyboy]

Cold tap water is safer than hot tap water, so if you really need to use tap water from the sink, you use the cold water, and then heat it. Tap water should not be used though, but if you are going to anyway, then run the cold water for a minute, and then boil.

Needle exchanges have little things of sterile water, so those are ideal. Pharmacies sell bacteriostatic water, so if you can't get it from the exchange, then go to a pharmacy and they should have it. Here is an Aussie thread about obtaining it there. Next choice would be bottled water, but you should only use it once since it can become contaminated with germs once opened. I honestly don't know about heating cottons, so all I can say is to handle the cotton with sterile hands, and use a new piece each time.

Edit: Yes, you should stick to eating the oxy since the oral BA is high. It lasts longer that way, and it seems to be 50/50 when it comes to people experiencing a rush from it or not.

Nobody cooks heroin by me, and trust me, it works just fine for them that way. Most of them buy a bottle of water and mix up the H in the plastic cap, just to give you an idea of how they do it here. As for people that cook H for the reason of thinking that they are killing possible bacteria in heroin, I think that it would need to be heated for several minutes straight at a boil for bacteria to be killed, making it pretty pointless to heat it.

 

[onlyone3232]

Cold tap water is safer than hot tap water, so if you really need to use tap water from the sink, you use the cold water, and then heat it. Tap water should not be used though, but if you are going to anyway, then run the cold water for a minute, and then boil.

Needle exchanges have little things of sterile water, so those are ideal. Pharmacies sell bacteriostatic water, so if you can't get it from the exchange, then go to a pharmacy and they should have it. Here is an Aussie thread about obtaining it there. Next choice would be bottled water, but you should only use it once since it can become contaminated with germs once opened. I honestly don't know about heating cottons, so all I can say is to handle the cotton with sterile hands, and use a new piece each time.

im confused as to what u mean.. so u put the h in the spoon, add cold water, cook it up or leave it cold. however wanna do it. whats the next step? do u soak the filter in hot water of cold water before putting it in the spoon?

u obviously didnt mean u add the filter to the spoon before u cook it up!

basically all i need to know is. is it before for the filter to be in hot or cold water!!??

like the quote said from erowid before

Heat frees up and breaks the cotton down so it is more easily sucked up into the syringe.

on another site i read that boiling water helps sterilize the cotton.
so which is it?

 

[Tommyboy]

I rarely IV so never soaked the cotton before using, so never really thought about it. My previous post was more about the water being used to mix up the H.

Honestly, you're probably thinking too much about cotton filter, considering you are not likely to get it if you are using new cottons each time. I don't think that bacteria can grow in a dry cotton, which is why cotton fever only happens when someone uses a filter that had been previously wet, allowing bacterial growth in it.

 

[onlyone3232]

i just rang up a pharmacist & they told me that micron filters arnt available in fit packs. they should be!
anyways she gave me the number to a methadone clinic. they might be able to help. Even help get my friend off oxy & h or atleast provice micron filters

ive only had h a few times but have been doing oxy occationaly. I had 900g of PST tonight, regually take codeine & sometimes have it with benzos
i told her that i need codeine just to feel normal these days. she knew about cwe. she suggested i get on a low dose of methadone myself
she said its common for codeine uses to switch to methadone so they dont have to pharmacy shop. i thought that was interesting but a little crazy consitering obviously methadone is way stronger than codeine. she suggested small doses.
I didnt realize they gave out methadone for codeine addiction. obviously i wouldnt consiter it or maybe i would?
it would save me ALOT of money. maybe bupe would be a better option. right now i dont think quitting codeine is an option for me. i suffer from anxiety & pain issues myself.
i mean if they gave me a dose equivelent to 400mg of codeine which is suppose to be equal to 40mg of oxy according to the BL opiate converter. but ya gotta go in there every day dont ya? that would be a hug problem unless ya get it so ya only have to go to ya local pharmacy.
i only had to go to the local when i was tappered off benzos

mean if they gave me a dose equivelent to 400mg of codeine which is suppose to be equal to 40mg of oxy according to the BL opiate converter. but ya gotta go in there every day dont ya? that would be a hug problem unless ya get it so ya only have to go to ya local pharmacy.
i only had to go to the local when i was tappered off benzos
maybe if i need something for pain bupe would be better. on wikipedia it says bupe is Superior to all antidepressants for treating depression. interesting.

I know what everyone'll say. thats the worst thing i could possibly do!... taking bupe for codeine w/d & as an antidepressant.

anyways does anyone know the name of the disease ya get from injecting to many pill binders?

 

[effie]

Methadone for a codeine addiction does seem pretty extreme! However, it depends on how severe the addiction is and how much it is affecting your life, versus the advantages being on a stable methadone script would give. I have heard of someone else doing that, but you would likely find it a lot more difficult and uncomortable coming off methadone than you would codeine.. The only advantage I can see is that you would be more stable and your doctor could supervise an appropriate taper. Buprenorphine might be more suitable but using an opioid as an antidepressant is a risky thing to do, tolerance and dependence would still be factors..

Is your doctor an addiction specialist? Some doctors unfortunately don't know much about treating drug addictions, so it might be worth finding one who is if not.. or a pain specialist, if you are using the codeine to treat pain. There are various other opioids or non-opioid drugs which may well be more suitable, depending on the type of pain you have and how severe it is. I would recommend looking into other alternatives to manage your anxiety as well.. there is an anxiety megathread in the TDS directory in my signature which might help you

Oh - and the disease you can get from injecting pills is called pneumoconiosis/talcosis, see the other thread