Lysergamides Whatever good was discovered in LSD has been lost by government lies and propaganda

[M!$TER-ED]

Whatever good was discovered in LSD has been lost by government lies and propaganda. Even here on Bluelight the truth about LSD and schizophrenia is speculation with no hard evidence to prove otherwise. Think about it, the original pioneers of LSD manufacturing and distribution gave their lives and risked fines and imprisonment because they were certain LSD could create a better society if given the opportunity to do so. There are no reports of LSD causing permanent damage to the brain or that LSD causes schizophrenia associated with psychosis or madness. There is however, a long list of users who found love and meaning in the world. There is proof that LSD is responsible for radical thinking and questioning authority when otherwise the realization of being screwed by the government goes without notice or reason for intervention.

LSD is a dangerous drug in the wrong hands. The effects can make a person question the status quo but what is more fearful to the administration is people using LSD have the answer to the problems that the rich and powerful enforce for themselves to remain at the top. Social dissidence creates chaos that is hard to control. By eliminating the source, as in this case persuading public opinion about LSD, ensures longevity of government control based on the effectiveness of public opinion. How many of you here believe LSD should be avoided by people with a history of psychosis or diagnosed with schizophrenia? On what grounds have you formed this belief? Are you a little bit influenced by the narrative given to you in 1970.

Responsibility of truth falls on you to believe or not believe. If you don't question the narrative you can believe whatever information given to you. I prefer the responsibility of making informed decisions.

 

[TheAcetylationGame]

Whatever good was discovered in LSD has been lost by government lies and propaganda. Even here on Bluelight the truth about LSD and schizophrenia is speculation with no hard evidence to prove otherwise. Think about it, the original pioneers of LSD manufacturing and distribution gave their lives and risked fines and imprisonment because they were certain LSD could create a better society if given the opportunity to do so. There are no reports of LSD causing permanent damage to the brain or that LSD causes schizophrenia associated with psychosis or madness. There is however, a long list of users who found love and meaning in the world. There is proof that LSD is responsible for radical thinking and questioning authority when otherwise the realization of being screwed by the government goes without notice or reason for intervention.

LSD is a dangerous drug in the wrong hands. The effects can make a person question the status quo but what is more fearful to the administration is people using LSD have the answer to the problems that the rich and powerful enforce for themselves to remain at the top. Social dissidence creates chaos that is hard to control. By eliminating the source, as in this case persuading public opinion about LSD, ensures longevity of government control based on the effectiveness of public opinion. How many of you here believe LSD should be avoided by people with a history of psychosis or diagnosed with schizophrenia? On what grounds have you formed this belief? Are you a little bit influenced by the narrative given to you in 1970.

Responsibility of truth falls on you to believe or not believe. If you don't question the narrative you can believe whatever information given to you. I prefer the responsibility of making informed decisions.

lol I believe lsd should be avoided by people with schizophrenia or psychosis (or a predisposition towards psychosis) because I’ve had 4 drug induced psychotic episodes from hallucinogens like LSD and psilocybin. I’ve also seen the consequences of hallucinogen induced psychosis in other people too.

Also my psychologist works part time on the forensic psychiatry unit where I live and she has many patients who’s permanent psychotic illness was absolutely triggered by the use of hallucinogens.

LSD is a drug like any other with benefits and drawbacks. I certainly don’t think it should be illegal. But I think people should understand the risks of what they put in their body.

It’s seems to me that you’ve created your own narrative to believe about the power of LSD and the evil forces conspiring to suppress it.

I don’t see LSD as good or evil and I don’t think that society would suddenly change and become a utopia if LSD was freely available.

 

[M!$TER-ED]

Given the complexity of schizophrenia, psychosis and LSD the old narrative fed into government paranoia and the propaganda that followed. The government was fearful that psychedelics would inspire free thinking which would endanger the power and control it had over society.
Drug prohibition had nothing to do the health and welfare of society. The government had never been challenged the way that psychedelics equipped its users in the 1970s.
The 1970s were a time when the youth were united in a variety of common causes as one in opposition to government BS.
The music, the drugs and experiences of the 70s is a vital part of who I am and how I live each day. It's not just about psychedelics, it was an era that changed history and everyone who was a part of it.

 

[MedicinalUser247]

 

[foodcrisis]

from what i understand you have limited experience with LSD and are only interested in the smaller end of dosing... seems like you have a lot of hope for LSD... i'm not trying to say that large or smaller doses will help you either way. i'm not recommending you take large doses, but to repeatedly make threads saying LSD is okay for schizophrenics is a bit odd imo.

from what i understand you were a heavy mda user in your past? i know you at least talked about MDA... i would say if you were using the heavy doses of mda that you probably are fine with LSD at least at light doses. pretty sure you said you have a limited history with lsd but were using MDA for a while? idk... i think you really might not have as messed up schizophrenia as some people get if you can handle MDA...

tbh, i have schizophrenia, and have done a ton of acid... i'm kind of the type of person that is uncertain if they are coming or going though.. i really don't think i have the same type of schizophrenia as other people.. my schizophrenia usually just involves thinking people are making noises at me, and then i start hallucinating other noises and can talk myself out of it pretty easily. i'm a bit uncertain if some of my memories from the past are real, but for the most part, i manage... honestly though, some people get super disoriented from schizophrenia. people try to cut chips out of their body they think the government installed in them, or their family are aliens or whatever. i don't know if you have experience with stuff like that. i personally don't. i know acid makes schizophrenia more intense though... i got hit with some pretty heavy voices and weird audio around times of taking acid. i mean, i had it before drugs, but it can be more persistent with especially with the psychedelics... idk. i like the audio and visuals i get from schizophrenia.

if you are truely schizo and have the responsiblity of driving a car, i wouldn't really just start dropping acid if you get the audio and visuals... shit can get confused. just today i got confused with the direction sound was coming in while i was in the coffee shop today. no lie. i thought a sound from outside was coming from in the coffee shop and it took me a second to realize where it was coming from.. it can be pretty disorienting. the drugs make it harder to deal with, for most people with schiz anyways... some people with out schiz get disorietned for a while after heavy psychedelic use. be careful

 

[foodcrisis]

when i was forced to take quietiapine and some other drugs for a few months, i came off of it and dropped acid... i'm not gonna say what happened to me exactly cause it happened to someone else and i think it put the idea in my head, but i got some pretty messed up insomnia related to the schizophrenia. i guess i will tell the story, i kept getting awoken by schizoprhenic audio and couldn't sleep for more than like an hour at a time for a few weeks... idk, if i heard the OP talk about the audio. not everyone with schiz gets that.

i really don't think i would've gotten this insomnia if it weren't for the acid setting it off.... then again, if it were legal, it might not've been a problem.... i really don't know.

 

[foodcrisis]

i really think a lot more schizophrenics could handle light lsd dosing and have fun with it if it were legal, but there are always people that are gonna be set off to have weird delusions. i think it's kind of irresponsible to say that "people have schizophrenia regardless of drug use" like a lot of people do. we don't really know if the delusions are going to be as intense or bizarre.... a lot of people's delusions correlate with the drug use. a great deal of that is probably cause of paranoia because drugs are illegal, but i've heard some people that just have some bizarre delusions. i don't see what it would have to do with the drugs being illegal.

then again, i realized i wasn't getting manipulated by V2K because of my thought proces while i was on acid... there are so many stories on reddit schizophrenia with people saying they have problems with psychedelics... some schizophrenia is just worse than others. i refuse to believe that acid is always good... i get that you aren't trying to say that it is for everyone, but i think OP might not be as, uh what's the opposed word for blessed, ah yes, the OP isn't cursed with schizophrenia like some people's intensity of it.

 

[pupnik]

MIND is a very sticky fabric, more sticky than a lint roller, and some of the fluff it picked up is still screaming.
one must try to stay in front of all the fracas

 

[M!$TER-ED]

i really think a lot more schizophrenics could handle light lsd dosing and have fun with it if it were legal, but there are always people that are gonna be set off to have weird delusions. i think it's kind of irresponsible to say that "people have schizophrenia regardless of drug use" like a lot of people do. we don't really know if the delusions are going to be as intense or bizarre.... a lot of people's delusions correlate with the drug use. a great deal of that is probably cause of paranoia because drugs are illegal, but i've heard some people that just have some bizarre delusions. i don't see what it would have to do with the drugs being illegal.

then again, i realized i wasn't getting manipulated by V2K because of my thought proces while i was on acid... there are so many stories on reddit schizophrenia with people saying they have problems with psychedelics... some schizophrenia is just worse than others. i refuse to believe that acid is always good... i get that you aren't trying to say that it is for everyone, but i think OP might not be as, uh what's the opposed word for blessed, ah yes, the OP isn't cursed with schizophrenia like some people's intensity of it.

Thank you for your valuable input. It is true, I am high functioning person labeled with schizophrenia. I'm not taking any antipsychotics or antidepressants except Doxepin for sleep. I mostly deal with depression rather than classic schizophrenia symptoms. I've lived through some very dark times and three bouts of psychosis. all of which were related to chemical compounds and trauma. my brain broke and I put it back together again.

In truth, I think the reason I wanted to get back into psychedelics was to recapture the feeling I had when I first started exploring psychedelics, life and my inner-self. It so happened that at this stage of life I was gaining insight about life, self and complex thinking and thought process. just like before when I was young and eager to learn. I loved that time in my life learning about life itself and to have that same youthful desire for growth and knowledge over again included the tools I used to gain insight in the 1970s, psychedelics

when neither mushrooms or what I thought was San Pedro cactus produced trip-like results I focused on possible benefits from these substances without actually tripping. As a result of non-tripping experience related to mushrooms I was able to stop taking a heavy-duty antidepressant and an antipsychotic medication I had been taking for years. Whether indeed psilocybin cured me to be able to stop taking these medications, it did encourage me to question the need for these medications and the ability to go without taking them without fearing the consequences. I learned that no one knows me better than me and even though the doctor prescribed these medications I am the one to determine if I need them or not.

I still have some psilocybin I take if I feel a bit funky and some San Pedro if I decide to take or not. But given the reality of not tripping as determined before I completely stopped taking medication I am not overly anxious to try psychedelics again as I was a few weeks ago. I'm in a good place that doesn't have a need to experience psychedelics as before.

Perhaps this particular phase has passed, who knows?

 

[username_required]

of all of the psychedelics one could do, LSD surely must be by far the worst as far as aggravating schizophrenic symptoms. it’s pharmacology is more or less the complete opposite of atypical antipsychotics.

 

[xdrc]

The government was fearful that psychedelics would inspire free thinking which would endanger the power and control it had over society.
Drug prohibition had nothing to do the health and welfare of society. The government had never been challenged the way that psychedelics equipped its users in the 1970s.

I do not think psychedelics equip with anything that the user is not equipped with in the first place. They may challenge some engrained beliefs by promoting "out of the box" thinking, but I doubt the world would become a better place if everyone had a tab on their tongue once (I think it is a terrible idea actually). Drug criminalisation, apart from some moral purity ideology, is just a very convenient way of controlling people. Drugs are consumed in all social classes. They can easily be selectively enforced.

In a 1994 interview, Mr. Ehrlichman said, “You want to know what this was really all about?” He went on:

“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and Black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or Black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and Blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

 

[pupnik]

of all of the psychedelics one could do, LSD surely must be by far the worst as far as aggravating schizophrenic symptoms. it’s pharmacology is more or less the complete opposite of atypical antipsychotics.

unfortunately this is not a really good assessment.
the effects of both psychedelics and antipsychotics on the complex multi-scale brain mind memory behavior and experience system are only partly understood.

 

[wtoxic]

Whatever good was discovered in LSD has been lost by government lies and propaganda. Even here on Bluelight the truth about LSD and schizophrenia is speculation with no hard evidence to prove otherwise. Think about it, the original pioneers of LSD manufacturing and distribution gave their lives and risked fines and imprisonment because they were certain LSD could create a better society if given the opportunity to do so. There are no reports of LSD causing permanent damage to the brain or that LSD causes schizophrenia associated with psychosis or madness. There is however, a long list of users who found love and meaning in the world. There is proof that LSD is responsible for radical thinking and questioning authority when otherwise the realization of being screwed by the government goes without notice or reason for intervention.

LSD is a dangerous drug in the wrong hands. The effects can make a person question the status quo but what is more fearful to the administration is people using LSD have the answer to the problems that the rich and powerful enforce for themselves to remain at the top. Social dissidence creates chaos that is hard to control. By eliminating the source, as in this case persuading public opinion about LSD, ensures longevity of government control based on the effectiveness of public opinion. How many of you here believe LSD should be avoided by people with a history of psychosis or diagnosed with schizophrenia? On what grounds have you formed this belief? Are you a little bit influenced by the narrative given to you in 1970.

Responsibility of truth falls on you to believe or not believe. If you don't question the narrative you can believe whatever information given to you. I prefer the responsibility of making informed decisions.

LSD is known to be very good at causing HPPD. HPPD can absolutely be permanent and it could absolutely be considered damaging. So LSD can indeed permanently damage the brain. Maybe nowhere near as severely as the media makes it out to be, but making claims like "There are no reports of LSD causing permanent damage to the brain" should really be avoided, because 1. It's not strictly true and 2. It's naive and disregards any potential dangers. People can ruin their social life with LSD, can gain significant anxiety from it and trauma.

I do actually completely agree with your point here however. The world has been horrificly mistreating the drug and its users. And yes it is likely true that the government in the past lied to us, being supported by their terrific bias against counterculture and the psychedelic revolution. After all, it totally disagreed with their principles.

I just needed to make the point that throwing around extreme claims is actually dangerous.

 

[bigjackaal96]

i'm not recommending you take large doses, but to repeatedly make threads saying LSD is okay for schizophrenics is a bit odd imo.

Schizopheric's are more at risk from D2 agonists & DRI's than 5HT2A Hallucinogens.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Given the complexity of schizophrenia, psychosis and LSD the old narrative fed into government paranoia and the propaganda that followed. The government was fearful that psychedelics would inspire free thinking which would endanger the power and control it had over society.
Drug prohibition had nothing to do the health and welfare of society. The government had never been challenged the way that psychedelics equipped its users in the 1970s.
The 1970s were a time when the youth were united in a variety of common causes as one in opposition to government BS.
The music, the drugs and experiences of the 70s is a vital part of who I am and how I live each day. It's not just about psychedelics, it was an era that changed history and everyone who was a part of it.

Yeh, but that was then. It was a case of the right drug at the right time - a bit like the MDMA explosion of the 90s in the UK.

But once all of the hype dies down, the drugs still remain, but their cultural significance is lost to the mists of time.

I used to hold the view that everyone should trip at least once in their lives, but now I'm not so sure. There are enough nutters in this world without chemically engineering more of them.

But I think you're right that governments demonise psychedelics, because they fear the thought that the 'plebs' might start actually thinking for themselves...

 

[Ki3ly]

The world needs to get back on psychedelic drugs again to break the brainwashing and see through the bullshit.

Entheogens for tripping, can get a bad wrap too but it has nothing to do with the drugs themselves yet everything to do with the participants psychology.


I think micro dosing is the best Safety Plan !!

 

[Nonyascaline]

of all of the psychedelics one could do, LSD surely must be by far the worst as far as aggravating schizophrenic symptoms. it’s pharmacology is more or less the complete opposite of atypical antipsychotics.

I don't know if it has something to do with dopamine agonism but NO other psychedelic, including things like high dose DMT/DOB, has made me as neurotic and uncomfortably paranoid as acid sometimes can in its second half.

 

[cnnka]

I don’t get it , why you need to take psychedelics to wake and not be brainwashed etc
It’s like you can’t think of your own ? And psychedelic adds what exactly ?

 

[M!$TER-ED]

To tell the truth I was defending the use of LSD in light of controversy presented by US government. Imagine what could have happened if LSD had taken a different path than the one designated by government fear. if the government did not have anything to hide or was concerned about the true health and wellbeing of society instead of losing credibility and their ability to do as they please without oversight. Well, that didn't happen for obvious reasons. We live in a corrupt society led by men consumed with greed and selfish desire.

If you think about it, was it Nixon's fault he was worried about his future as leader of the free world. Perhaps Nixon was insecure or had something to hide? If not, why did he put a hit on drugs and orchestrated the controlled substance act of 1970? No matter how we look at history it does not change what has already happened. LSD became the poster child for psychedelics. It was determined by government that LSD was responsible for schizophrenia, mental illness and death by tripping badly.

As result of fear psychedelic research came to a complete halt, because of fear the government found no beneficial use for psychedelics. This contributed to psychedelics being classified as a class 1 felony in the controlled substance act 1970. If things were different do you think society would be different today? Would government be different if they were accountable for their actions?

There are a lot of what if's in life but we all know make believe is Childs play.

 

[Vanilla_Incense]

Tbh its a personal choice to take LSD and one should consider if they may be susceptible to things like psychosis. It also depends on the environment you take it in and the mindset you have throughout it. If used responsibly and for the right reasons I don't see there being any harm and in fact there's probably a lot of benefit in taking it under the right conditions.