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GooGooG'joob

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Ok im am really confused. First off has anyone proven that LSH (made from lsa+peppermint) is a myth??

I swear that when I did it (only twice) I had some of the most intense mind blowing trips I have ever had off of morning glorys.

Secondly, why do people online say things like "lsa sucks" or "lsa doesnt work" when it is proven time and time again that it is a real substance that will make you trip for up to 10 hours.

Are these people stupid or do they just not know how to properly ingest lsa.

Ok so thats kinda like two questions in one lol.

thanks
 
Oh also I see visuals all the time on lsa (not extreme but like i would on a hit or two of cid) but most sources including erowid say open eye visuals on lsa are rare.

Is this bad? I think I may have HPPD cause i see shit like all the time lol but i dont always feel like im tripping. I just see these things and I know they are visuals. they are kinda cool, especially if im bored
 
I don't know about the LSA/LSH thing, but from my experiences of morning glory and HBW, I had an awesome first trip in which I went into deep space. But subsequent trips weren't that much. I took 50HBW seeds one time and I spent all night friday and saturday sleeping and dreaming... The experiences were never as visually intense as the very first time though. I usually got more tactile stuff which kept me awake.... Moving on my bedsheets and sliding my hands all over it.
 
The LSA/LSH thing with peppermint seems extraordinarily unlikely, from the perspective of chemistry. If there is a real effect from it, i'm inclined to suspect that it is due to some other unexpected synergy, rather than the LSA reacting with compounds present in trace amounts in peppermint oil to produce some new compound.

LSA is certainly an active compound, and it will make you trip, but it's not nearly as clean as any other typical psychedelic in common use, and the other crap in the seeds just makes things worse. It's main appeal is that it is cheap and legal. I can't blame someone who has access to better psychedelics for calling seeds "crap", especially if they are one of the unlucky ones that gets bad body load from the seeds. About 50% of my friends get body loads on seeds that overpower the psychedelic effects (little to no psychedelic effects, nausea, vomiting, generally feeling like shit), and nobody I know who has access to LSD, shrooms, or RC psychedelics has interest in seeds, even if they liked them before getting access to better psychedelics.
 
The LSA/LSH thing with peppermint seems extraordinarily unlikely, from the perspective of chemistry. If there is a real effect from it, i'm inclined to suspect that it is due to some other unexpected synergy, rather than the LSA reacting with compounds present in trace amounts in peppermint oil to produce some new compound.

LSA is certainly an active compound, and it will make you trip, but it's not nearly as clean as any other typical psychedelic in common use, and the other crap in the seeds just makes things worse. It's main appeal is that it is cheap and legal. I can't blame someone who has access to better psychedelics for calling seeds "crap", especially if they are one of the unlucky ones that gets bad body load from the seeds. About 50% of my friends get body loads on seeds that overpower the psychedelic effects (little to no psychedelic effects, nausea, vomiting, generally feeling like shit), and nobody I know who has access to LSD, shrooms, or RC psychedelics has interest in seeds, even if they liked them before getting access to better psychedelics.

First of all, the statement "x is a better psychedelic than y" is virtually meaningless in that it glazes over a wealth of assumptions that need to be made explicit. Intentions, desires, preconceptions, methods, set/setting, and individual constitution are all variables that cannot be ignored in the (e)valuation of an entheogenic or hallucinogenic compound. One can say, meaningfully, that "I like x better than y" but to try to draw that statement out into objectivity is difficult, and, well, rather a useless waste of time and thought-effort.

LSA has an extremely LOW recreational value. To give you an idea of where I'm coming from, I would consider low-dose LSD trips to have among the highest recreational value of any of the psychedelics. Mushrooms are up there, but slightly less so, especially at higher doses. So, if the intent of user is for a recreational "trippy" experience, LSA is going to be a very, very bad choice, cheapness/availability aside.

Why is this? At low doses LSA is sufficient for therapeutic use (discovering root causes of emotional issues; increase in introspection and openness; a tendency toward personal revelations) and the treatment of cluster headaches. At high doses, LSA is a mindfuck comparable to 5g+ of mushrooms. You would not want this state of mind unless you're a psychonaut trying to find the meaning of life. Time distortion, uncovering repressed memories, audio/visual hallucinations, ego-death and a feeling of cosmic "oneness" are all common. Generally, people looking for these states are willing to put up with nausea etc. as a part of the effort necessary to reach these states.

Morning Glory/HWBR seeds are, in short, a shamanic tool/medicine, not a recreational drug. IF ONE DESIRES TO USE LSA OUTSIDE OF THE SHAMANIC CONTEXT/TRADITION, ONE MUST EXTRACT THE COMPOUND FROM THE SEED-MATTER!! I cannot stress this enough. 80% of the people to whom I have administered Morning Glory seeds in shamanic rituals VOMIT the seeds up at some point in the trip. This is not an entirely unintended or unanticipated aspect of a shamanic seed consumption, especially large amounts, as one can easily absorb the majority of the active compounds if they wait an hour or two before vomiting. This purging is part of a ritualistic death-rebirth cleansing symbolism involved in the shamanic tradition. Now, the remaining 20% of those people have what I call a "shamanic constitution" which means they are a) proficient at receiving and interpreting messages from the subconscious (or "spirit world") accurately and b) have the fortitude and inner harmony necessary to mediate between a strong mental trip while physically merging with the plant world. This dualism creates a "Third Discourse" wherein most of the spiritual work is done.

So, if someone says "LSA is crap" it generally means they have used LSA in a context/method inappropriate for their intentions and/or individual constitution.
 
I was not speaking from the context of recreating shamanic rituals, as this is not something that most people are looking to do (certainly it did not sound like the OP was)

Nobody I know was able to get much "mindfuck" from HBWR seeds either - hence i had surmised them to be of little interest even from a shamanic perspective. Nothing more than a mild trippy state and light visuals. And nausea and other physical sideffects. Higher doses increased sideffects faster than desirable effects - so from my experience it would not even be well suited to spiritual/shamanic use.
 
In my experience, I've known LSA by itself to be much more of a mellow and introspective experience; however, if I ever wanted to bump it up several notches all I would do is smoke a bit of weed and yippe-ki-yay I'm experiencing the Big Bang. The synergy between the two is phenomenal, and I can attest that it is the best way to truly bring out the extreme psychedelic aspect of the trip.

One such experience I vividly recall: 10g thoroughly chewed and ingested (didn't purge any of it at all) and just a dime of weed caused the most batshit crazy OEV's I've ever experienced. Around 4-5 hours into the trip very single thing in my field of vision, for the next fucking hour, morphed into something else every 3 seconds (I effectively went blind for the simple fact that navigating through the physical world was impossible) in conjunction with the sensation that my head was imploding with each passing second. Closing my eyes didn't help much for instead of being greeted with darkness to try and retain my sanity, I witnessed a bunch of futuristic floating Aztec temples hovering around Starcraft Battlecrusier-style.

Sadly I've never had such a powerful experience since then. :( But yes, some excellent bud is the key to unlocking the mindfucking entheoscapes of LSA.
 
I was not speaking from the context of recreating shamanic rituals, as this is not something that most people are looking to do (certainly it did not sound like the OP was)

Nobody I know was able to get much "mindfuck" from HBWR seeds either - hence i had surmised them to be of little interest even from a shamanic perspective. Nothing more than a mild trippy state and light visuals. And nausea and other physical sideffects. Higher doses increased sideffects faster than desirable effects - so from my experience it would not even be well suited to spiritual/shamanic use.

If doses of 10mg+ of LSA get you only to a mild trippy/light visuals stage, then LSA just isn't your drug. I've known people who trip balls on mescaline and LSA but LSD doesn't do a whole lot for them. It's all subjective. As for me, I start talking to God at that dosage, and I can fling orbs of energy betwen myself and my tripping partners.

Oh yeah, that's another thing, LSA is really good for group activity. Many people in my circle have reported synchronicity and intersubjective psychic communication.

Drugs are weird aren't they?
 
for me personally, LSA is completely useless, probably because I have access to infinite doses of DMT and mushrooms, and LSA just has never brought me anywhere near as far as I can go on mushrooms or DMT, even 2ci seems to be more entertaining for me than LSA.

Again, this is my personal opinion, and I am only stating it to show that while one drug may be a godsend for someone, to someone else it is completely useless.

It is definatly psychoactive, just not in the way I wold like to experience psychedelia, again, for ME. I wouldnt ever call it "useless crap" though, because I know several people out there enjoy it. I just cant seem to experience anything near the enjoyability of mushrooms or DMT from LSA

I think a lot of the people saying it doesnt work , are coming from a point of view of having tried many other things that have worked much better for them, so they are speaking in comparison, subjectively rather than objectively
 
Everyone has access to infinite doses of DMT and mushrooms lol. They grow on the earth.

Anyway, I don't see your point. The mushroom and DMT sensorium is tryptaminic, totally different than the lysergamide experience. It's like saying you don't want to take LSD because you have an infinite source of ketamine.

Like I said, though, it's different for everyone.
 
^thats a bullshit analogy. Ketamine is a NMDA antagonist, a dissociative, not a 5-ht2a agonist. They are far off from one another. LSD and DMT at least function on the same receptor. LSD also contains a tryptamine structure which contributes to the binding of the 5-ht2a receptor.

Also, most people find LSA crap (not all, but who do you think generalizations start). I find the body load is to uncomfortable to enjoy any sort of psychedelic experience, and I know I'm not alone on this. No one is saying that noone enjoys LSA (look, I'm one of the few who loves DXM), but people generally find it a useless psychedelic when there are better psychedelics out there (ones that don't cause an uncomfortable bodyload).
 
Mgs;

^thats a bullshit analogy. Ketamine is a NMDA antagonist, a dissociative, not a 5-ht2a agonist. They are far off from one another. LSD and DMT at least function on the same receptor. LSD also contains a tryptamine structure which contributes to the binding of the 5-ht2a receptor.

Also, most people find LSA crap (not all, but who do you think generalizations start). I find the body load is to uncomfortable to enjoy any sort of psychedelic experience, and I know I'm not alone on this. No one is saying that noone enjoys LSA (look, I'm one of the few who loves DXM), but people generally find it a useless psychedelic when there are better psychedelics out there (ones that don't cause an uncomfortable bodyload).

Did you perform any sort of extraction on your seeds ? Just wondering how well they will go down on my pit of ulcerness :P
IMHO, I believe the whole peppermint thing to be a myth, Placebo effect maybe ? Peace (:
 
I read many reports in Erowid of the healing power of LSA and many people said iut was the most underated psych' they had ever tried
 
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