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What was in the ecstasy pills of era 1992-95????

Jonnybean said:
but at the same time, speakers are good shizzle.

if your from UK tho chances are your gunna get a good pill.
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Arrrgh - At the time you took the pill with the Speaker logo they were good - pills in the UK / Europe are copied pretty quickly by the fake vendors. You should be very cautious when buying a pill simply because they 'look' the same as the ones you had a few months ago.
 
mark881 said:
After a long break, I've returned to clubbing and Es.

I am UK based, and during 1994 we had Dove pills which were nothing short of amazing. I typically took 1/2 a pill and was dancing all night, my jeans were soaked thru with sweat, I was up/down/up/down all night...the 'down' felt like a lovely wasted warm feeling.

So after a loooong break (because Doves were so good, I found myself utterly zonked all weekend and physically done in till Thursday), I returned to the club scene.

Took a Pink Diamond recently, and it was good up, just like Doves, but this feeling up/down groovey ya lasted about an hour and the pill was over in 90mins. I felt more like cruisin' and easy going dancing rather than off my head like Doves. Recently took a Pink Diamond again which was fine again for 60-90minutes then smashed 1/2 a Rockstar, which made me feel a bit wasted, glazed vision but not really happy happy. And also not very awake.

So I am wondering what has changed so much with the pills? The people I go clubbing with are like 'these are good pills, great amazing' and I'm like 'hmmmm...nice enough but like a low alcohol beer'.

On a 2nd note, I never used to have a problem on 'Doves/early 90s' pills going to sleep, but it's quite difficult with these new ones...any recommended stuff to take other than valium?
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Doves were one hell of a pill and the following floods of Mitsubishi's etc (check the Nolstalgia thread in the European Drug Discussions) - some people argue that the way the pills were made 'back in the day' wouldn't really affect the overall effect etc. It could be the entire scene was new to you then and people were not consuming pills the way they do now. Half a pill / dab of speed was enough for a lot of people - now you go out and its very different. Lot's of RC's, Ket, people dropping crazy high amounts of pills etc.
 
MDMA is def not MDMA, there are differ race mixes, purities, ways of making it, all seem to effect the effect it has on you. I have had many many pills in my life that were def MDMA, only a hanfull were really what someone who REALLY KNOWS WHAT THERE DOING, would make for themselves. Those few pills are beyond words and are a transcendental experience compared to the others.
 
scottodoit said:
MDMA is def not MDMA, there are differ race mixes, purities, ways of making it, all seem to effect the effect it has on you. I have had many many pills in my life that were def MDMA, only a hanfull were really what someone who REALLY KNOWS WHAT THERE DOING, would make for themselves. Those few pills are beyond words and are a transcendental experience compared to the others.
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But if you have been doing those pills for 20 years do you not think that some of that 'transcendental experience' you say could maybe start to wear off? Is part of the experience not set and setting? Surely for those who were doing pills in 94/95 (as per the OP) his / her set of circumstances have probably changed which could effect the experience? Has a lot of the 'old school' experience not been lost in translation - in 15 years time people starting out now will look back on this with just as fond a memory.
 
Bearlove said:
But if you have been doing those pills for 20 years do you not think that some of that 'transcendental experience' you say could maybe start to wear off? Is part of the experience not set and setting? Surely for those who were doing pills in 94/95 (as per the OP) his / her set of circumstances have probably changed which could effect the experience? Has a lot of the 'old school' experience not been lost in translation - in 15 years time people starting out now will look back on this with just as fond a memory.
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Possibly, It def seems to me though that some MDMA is of just so much more a crystal clear, energetic, love everyone/everything, music just so perfect, thought patterns NOT MUNTED, but hightened. Everything just seems so the best and wonderful it could possibly be. With very little come down the next day, if anything just a warm afterglow.

While other MDMA still loved up, love everything, music great, but the mind is munted, not in a bad way but def not the crystal sclera clarity , and the comedown is harsher, while still a great experience not beyond belief like the real good stuff.
My understanding is that they are different chemical precursors and different paths one can take to get to MDMA, and maybe the way it breaks down in the mind differs from these diffent ways of producing it. Plus, different levels of impurities left, and different race mixes of the same chemical.
I could be wrong but that's the way I see it
 
-Guido- said:
Pills have not changed. Yes there are more imitations but there are good pills just like back then. Today there are many pills that contain MDMA, MDEA, and MDA. Pill haven't changed, there are just more designer drugs.

Your first few times on MDMA are the best. After years of using it you become accustomed to it and it losses some of it magic or you drop it to much and the magic is totally gone because you have such a huge tolerance.

A euphoria inducing dose of MDMA is a euphoria inducing dose of MDMA.
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couldnt have put it better myself.
 
scottodoit said:
Possibly, It def seems to me though that some MDMA is of just so much more a crystal clear, energetic, love everyone/everything, music just so perfect, thought patterns NOT MUNTED, but hightened. Everything just seems so the best and wonderful it could possibly be. With very little come down the next day, if anything just a warm afterglow.

While other MDMA still loved up, love everything, music great, but the mind is munted, not in a bad way but def not the crystal sclera clarity , and the comedown is harsher, while still a great experience not beyond belief like the real good stuff.
My understanding is that they are different chemical precursors and different paths one can take to get to MDMA, and maybe the way it breaks down in the mind differs from these diffent ways of producing it. Plus, different levels of impurities left, and different race mixes of the same chemical.
I could be wrong but that's the way I see it
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Oh I was agreeing with you just wondering your thoughts - The effects of the MDMA can vary so much between batches so obviously the way it was being made has such an effect. Mind you some of the pills / MDMA going around the UK now ;).
 
Well thank you very much for all the replies...wow!

I think I am probably looking for 'rock' MDMA, not that up in Scotland we see this. I will say with Pink Diamonds as example, I should be taking 2 minimum per night to get my proper buzz. I will say some things about these newer pills, or Pink Diamonds, is that the night is clear and I can remember everything. I am also dancing but not dancing like a maniac (aka early 90s pills) and the next day OK I'm little tired from 3-4 hours sleep but certainly not trashed beyond belief for a week.

I can remember taking 1/2 a Dove and being bonkers for 4-5 hours solid. But then my friends sometimes got 'super Doves' which were immensely stronger apparently. Then there were 'squares' and 'snowballs' which I never took but heard that were just waaaaaaaaay stronger than any Dove.

Just a final point, any good tips for getting to sleep post ecstasy use?
 
Just a final point, any good tips for getting to sleep post ecstasy use?
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Well i like to get high off my vape, then just lay on my bed, Playing acid trance and because it is usually daytime (Say after a rave), and the light is shining through, i get these Beautiful Closed Eye Visuals, like Beaches, and scenery and great meadows, utterly peaceful.

I actually tend to take 1 valium tablet to get to sleep after mdma, however i do not use mdma often, so i don't really see the harm in taking one valium tablet in like 40 - 60 days?

But the Over The Counter options are Melatonin, valerian root.

Normally i tend to eat something like toast 2 hours before bed, so when ive taken mdma, i cant really do that. It was originally developed as an appetite suppressant afterall.
 
mark881 said:
Well thank you very much for all the replies...wow!

I think I am probably looking for 'rock' MDMA, not that up in Scotland we see this. I will say with Pink Diamonds as example, I should be taking 2 minimum per night to get my proper buzz. I will say some things about these newer pills, or Pink Diamonds, is that the night is clear and I can remember everything. I am also dancing but not dancing like a maniac (aka early 90s pills) and the next day OK I'm little tired from 3-4 hours sleep but certainly not trashed beyond belief for a week.

I can remember taking 1/2 a Dove and being bonkers for 4-5 hours solid. But then my friends sometimes got 'super Doves' which were immensely stronger apparently. Then there were 'squares' and 'snowballs' which I never took but heard that were just waaaaaaaaay stronger than any Dove.

Just a final point, any good tips for getting to sleep post ecstasy use?
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Double doves - Snowballs :D = good times, indeed :). Normally if your using clean ecstasy then you should be able to sleep afterwards. Valium is pretty effective, some people enjoy a few bumps / line of ketamine, few joints, couple of drinks etc. Even some of the OTC sleeping pills can work (Boots sleepeaze for example) but be careful with them if you have been drinking and don't take too many.
 
mark881 said:
I have some diphenhydramine Hydrochloride BP - haven't tried yet - any good?
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If you meant for helping you sleep after rolling, i highly recommend against using diphenhydramine...it has some, albeit weak, SSRI properties in its own right. Weed, a benzo, melatonin are my suggestions.
 
Ah, Benzo - recommend type?

Took melatonin on a plane once, seems OK for that but I need it to counteract the amphet.

Any amphet neutralisers?
 
Ive experimented with xanax (alprazolam)and valium (diazepam) on the comedown (separate occurrences, not mixed), and each were up to the task. They really do a good job of stamping out the stimulation, and also quell any anxiety that can accompany an MDMA comedown.
 
Thanks, I have 2 valium pills somewhere round here but I stashed em too hard, need to rip the place apart to find them - I'm sure people have done the same on this forum!

Took a val last club night, not bad, got 3 hours sleep though.
 
JimSteele said:
If you meant for helping you sleep after rolling, i highly recommend against using diphenhydramine...it has some, albeit weak, SSRI properties in its own right. Weed, a benzo, melatonin are my suggestions.
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diphenhydramine - is a common factor in OTC sleep medications in the UK, a couple of pills after a night out- your not going to have any problems. If you however push the limit and drop a lot of pills after a night out then...you 'could' have a nasty time. I personally would rather take a valium that an OTC sleep aid containing dip.
 
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