What the hell are these 2 unlabelled RC's I've ordered and reagent tested?

[Ekstasis-//7]

Reagent tests on the left are for the tan powder bag labelled MTV. Reagent tests on the right are for the white powder bag labelled 2CƐ.

I seen my fair share of research substances and reagent tested them often with photos.

I just received these two substances from a known source from Austria that has a large range of items (remove country if not allowed mods) obviously this company has a terrible labelling system. The abbreviations written on the bag do not even add up to any abbreviations on their site. Even after reagent testing with new Marquis and really old (but still working) Mecke I am left not knowing what I have been sold. Can anyone help?

Basically I ordered 4-Fluroamphetamine and 2C-C. Now what happens is the company goes out of stock right as it is receives my payment. I ask for weeks. Finally 4-FA comes back in stock and the seller asks me what I want him to do. I ask him to send the 4-FA and wait till 2C-C comes back in stock. Next thing I get this order arrive of two bags. Now my order was for 4-FA of twice the weight of the 2C-C. So even if the labelling if wrong I should have been able to weigh out the bigger bag and assume it's the 4-FA. Well no such luck. The seller has decided to be extra generous. Both weigh the same! The tan powder reacts quite bright yellow/orange to Marquis and a dull brown to Mecke. The bag of white powder doesn't react strongly to Marquis. I add more white stuff then if goes a faint, dull but noticeable orange/light brown. Mecke has a strong reaction going black with some brownish around the outside.

NOW I HAVE NEVER TESTED 4-FLUROAMPHETAMINE SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR. MY GUESS IS THE TAN POWDER IS 4-FA ONLY BY GUESSING FROM AMPHETAMINES MAKING MARQUIS GO ORANGE, BROWN. I HAVE TESTED 2C-C AND MANY OTHER 2C CHEMICALS AND THIS WHITE POWDER DOESN'T REALLY LOOK TO ME LIKE OBVIOUSLY ANY OF THEM I'M FAMILIAR WITH FROM THE RESULTS. ANY IDEAS?

I have also posted this over in :http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=512598&page=2

 

[guy1234]

ok 2C-E sounds like it is probably 2C-E. and MTV i believe to be some kind of psychedelic similar to DPT

 

[guy1234]

oops sorry, it appears that MTV can be another name to MDPV. if it is DO NOT TAKE IT. it is the drug of the devil

 

[theotherside]

I would say by the labels, 2c-e and mty would mean methylone. Either way don't take any one them!!!!!!

 

[phatass]

The 2C-E is probably 2Cx... to test, take a tiny pinhead size amount and sniff it... if it burns its 2Cx...
MTV i dunno... just proceed with caution, work your way up from small to higher doses

 

[daspsycho]

the bag on the left should be methylone, i ordered it from the same supplier several times, the right one should be 2C-E, the E looks the same, i just checked mine that i got some weeks ago

i'm still waiting for my marquis test, should get it on monday then i can test both so we can compare the results.

€dit:
the methylone should have a beige/brown colored fine powder, 2ce white fluffy "flakes"/powder

sorry for spelling/grammar errors, i'm not native and just got home from a wonderfull party (with 1200mg Methylone over the last 15 hours^^)

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

Thanks for your input if you follow the same post in herehttp://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=512598&page=2

I have put an update coz I tried the tan powder on the left. I think it's 4-FA. All the batches of methylone I've tryed tested fluro yellow with Marquis. Also Methylone seems to give me much more or a short burst of euphoria and disphoria. This gave me more of a steady up 'cleen' speed feeling with a little empathy qualiities.
I will test with Simons and Robadope this will tell me if it's possibly methylone or 4-FA and update. Thanks for input guys

 

[Lord]

probably your mom and dad u little twirp. but realistically, id say the bag on the right is some kind of phenelethylethamine and if the bag on the left has anything to do with MTV, then its probably either cocaine, ketamine, pcp, or nitrous.

 

[daspsycho]

I have put an update coz I tried the tan powder on the left. I think it's 4-FA.

i still think it's methylone, the 4-fa i got from this vendor 2 months ago was bright yellow/white, not beige like methylone/butylone. also it wasn't as fine as methylone.

Also Methylone seems to give me much more or a short burst of euphoria and disphoria. This gave me more of a steady up 'cleen' speed feeling with a little empathy qualiities.

hm, strange...

150mg of 4-fa gave me about an hour of empathy/euphoria, followed by a speedy feeling for about 3 hours and 3-4 hours where i was awake but nothing else, totaly boring.
redosing didn't work very well for me (massive headache/vomiting/extreme body heat after 200mg initial dose and 125mg redose on t+3 and t+6, never tried it again since then)

methylone (either pure 200mg or 120mg together with 80mg butylone) is my absolute favourite at the moment, euphory/emphaty for 3-4 hours and redosing with the same amount works fine for another 2-3 hourse, on a festival 2 weeks ago i took it from saturday afternoon until monday in the morning. can't remember exactly, but i thing i took about 12 capsule (methy/buty as starter + 3 or 4 redoses and pure methy after that because after 6 or more mixed capsules the butylone together with the lack of sleep makes me totaly confused/wired/brainafk 8( )

i got my marquis test today, i'll test methylone, 2c-c and 2c-e when i get home (7pm... i hope i'll survive the remaining 9 hours of work...), if i'm lucky i can also test 4-fa if i can find the zipbag with some residues (should be lying in the drawer )

have you tried mailing the vendor and asking him what happened? i was unsure about my last butylone order because it was nearly white and not beige like the first one, i think they mixed up your order, i think they take a little bit to much of the substances they sell, i got my first order (2g M1, 2g B1, 1g 4-FA) twice

...if the bag on the left has anything to do with MTV, then its probably either cocaine, ketamine, pcp, or nitrous.

its a "Y" not "V" (ordered MTY->Methylone from this source about 4 or 5 times, it always looks like that), also the vendor Ekstasis ordered from doesn't sell cocaine, keta, pcp or anything else that could be called "MTV"

 

[daspsycho]

4-FA/2C-E/2C-C/Methylone Marquis-Test Results

Got home a litle bit earlier, here are the marquis test results of the following substances (counter clock wise):
4-FA -> top left (found some residues in the zipbag, i don't think there was anything else in there in between, result doesnt match any other substance i had before)
2C-E -> bottom left
2C-C -> bottom right (wasn't obtained at the same shop where i bought my other substances, got 2 50mg capsule from a good friend that i trust, already took one last week, dosage and effects matched what i excepted)
Methylone -> top right

Before:

After:

I consumed the 2C-C, 4-FA and Methylone myself and i always had the desired (and in case of my 4FA overdose undesired^^) effects, the 2C-E was consumed by a good friends who also got the desired results.

Here you can see the labels on my substances, they were bought from the same source as yours, 4-FA about 2 1/2 months ago, 2C-E 1 1/2 months and the Methylone only about a week ago (and 2 times before that). If I remember correctly the first order I recieved was cleary labeled, like the 4FA on the picture (top left) after that all of them were labeled by hand, but i never had problems to recognize them. The purple notes on the 2C-E bags are mine.

As you can see, the MTY and 2C-E look exactly like yours

I hope i could help, going to the cinema now, I hope I dont fall asleep while watching Resident Evil 4, 10 nights of sleep in the last 15 days (first holydays this year) and partying until yesterday in the afternoon where a little bit TO much

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Two options because no one here can tell you what you have-

1-Proceed in the manner Shulgin, start with 1 mg and SLOWLY work your way up until dose and affects become clear.

2-Flush and find another vendor.

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

Okay so lets clear this up even more: Today I have reagent tested a nice bright white sparkly sample of Methylone (bk-MDMA) obtained from a Canadian Supplier. I have used my EZ-Xtreme test wich is very new. Only the Mecke is very old. Quite a few years old but still works. I have done the done another test along side the bag of tan powder with chunks in it that was labelled MTY from the supplyer from Austraia. You will see the 2 different tests done from the two different substances both appearing to have the exact same results. As for the previously unknown substance... the results speak for themself.

Here is the sample from Canada

Here is the sample from Austria

Now if others have followed my update from the other link I posted in the other forum http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=512598&page=2 where I consumed roughly 125mg then reboosted a few hours later with around 120mg without getting the wow factor of Methylone I now believe I was simply because as I've found in the past Methylone for me often needs a dose of 220mg-250mg before I will get that wow factor where it feels like the magic of MDMA.

So without access to moderation it seems sites like this one in particular this popular site shipping from Austria have sold the wrong product and probably on purpose. It is most surely they have sold me Methylone instead of 4-FA. Also from the tests and the hand drawn label I'd say this is a batch of 2C-E also in the other bag. They have not sold me 2C-C. WATCH OUT FOR THIS AUSTRIAN SELLER!!

Thank you to Daspsycho for confirming these results and providing more evidence with the same looking hand drawn bags.


--UPDATE-- After more contact with this seller they confirmed they send out whatever compound they have in stock they feel is on comparable quality. This has been confirmed on safeorscam.com (please remove it not allowed website). Avoid seller. People have been sick and hospitalised

 

[Ekstasis-//7]

Ok so it seems i made a blunder in my initial reagent testing of 2C-E back in 2006 which is what I used as a reference. I was using an old test kit back then. It's possible Marquis reagent was too old but even more likely is that I may not have used enough powder to add to the Marquis as 2C-E can have a faint reaction if not much is used. This is why my early recordings showed no reaction to 2C-E with Marquis. Now after re-testing 4 different batches of 2C-E from different suppliers with a new test kit I can confirm that with enough powder 2C-E does go a dark yellow to orangey yellow then almost light brown with Marquis. Below you can see the Austrian sample that I have re-tested with a new ez-extreme kit and also used an old Mecke reagent (that still seems to work.)

Here is the sample from Austria (what I now believe is 2C-E)

Here is the sample of known high quality 2C-E from Canada from 2006 which I just re-tested using the same new kit.

As you can see they both test up the same. I have tried the recent Austrian sample starting at 2mg and working my way up to 12mg. This is I believe 2C-E judging by the effects when compared to other samples of 2C-E obtained elsewhere and by the reagent results. That said I would still be extremely wary of this Australian seller and I would not use them. They have been know to sell other products for example 6-APB that have been shown in the lab results to be very impure. This seller doesn't seem to care about customers health or safety.