What the fuck man.

[dr. psuebo]

im looking for a psychadelic that will heal me not only internally but spiritually, i know dmt and mescaline will do that trick, but those i cant get ahold of are there any suggestions to what psychs i should dip into if i have panic disorder? er should i just stop fucking with them.

 

[Topmid]

Lsd

 

[Solipsis]

We don't allow 'what should I take' threads. So I'm going to have to close this, sorry.

I recommend you go here and ask your question again but formulate it in a way that does not resemble anything like "what should I do?":
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/477573-The-Most-Productive-Psychedelic

Is this understood? Because for greenlighters we always leave a thread open until there is a response from the TS.

Also, welcome to PD/BL ! I hope you will enjoy our community, have fun, learn stuff and get the most out of it - though I can't help there being rules.

And next time you start a thread, please make the title descriptive. This title does not say anything at all about the topic.

In general the links below in my signature can be of help to you. The FAQ can help you get around efficiently and save a lot of time by explaining how to navigate and use the PD forum. Highly recommended you check it out.

One final thing: with a panic disorder, psychedelics are in general contraindicated i.e. not a good idea. I guess you can see why?

 

[PsychedelicPeptide]

I thought you were going to close this. Lol well anyways I actually have some advice, try exercising instead of using drugs. Panic disorder? Sounds like you have a lot of energy... try to put it to use.

 

[Solipsis]

I thought you were going to close this.

for greenlighters we always leave a thread open until there is a response from the TS.

Panic disorder? Sounds like you have a lot of energy... try to put it to use.

I don't think panic disorders or panic attacks are about a general abundance of energy. Tension perhaps. Yes I agree exercise, sports in general but especially martial arts IME/IMO are good for getting things flowing right in general. But the opposite is also true, sitting still and relaxing and clearing your mind / meditating also helps. Pranayama meditation is said to be a good remedy for anxiety-related issues.

 

[swilow]

^I agree with that. Its about balance really. Exercise and physical exertion can help reduce the physiologica aspects of anxety/panic, and meditation (and other trance-inducing techniques) can reduce the psychological and spiritual side of anxiety and panic. I've found that you need to do both to really feel the benefit of either.

As to the OP, many people would say that psychedelics an panic disorder are contraindicated, but they can be extremely useful. You can learn to face existential fear by immersing yourself in what can be an extremely uncomfortable situation courtesy of psychedelics and surving it. This makes everyday, sober panic/anxiety easier to handle, and also allows one to challenge the apparent status quo that anxiety sufferers generaly assume to be correct. However, the chance that you might have a panic attack when on psychedelics is very real, and can brin about PTSD like syndrome.

I'd say that DMT is the best of these medicines due to its intensity, immersive quality and short duration...

 

[Jesusgreen]

If you have panic disorder, checking out the Least Anxiogenic Psychedelic thread might be helpful to you. I'd also suggest you start very low with your doses, make sure you're in a comfortable environment where nothing can go wrong - at home would be good if you feel safe there.

It'd be great to have a trip sitter too if talking to someone helps calm you down during a panic attack, just in case - but unless there's no other option, choose someone who has experience tripping, so they know what to do and what not to do around you.

As already mentioned though, we can't help you choose - but I'd advise you check out the thread Solipsis linked, the thread I linked, and the Beginner's FAQ (which is linked both in the announcement box above the forum and in Solipsis' sig )

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

im looking for a psychedelic that will heal me not only internally but spiritually

Then you are looking for something that cannot be found deliberately. While these drugs can be useful tools for those seeking to delve into their issues, they are no panacea, there is no inherent will in psychs to lead them to heal or improve you. Let go of your expectations, and be prepared to take what comes your way. It may help you, hurt you, or likely do neither.

 

[Ismene]

Only you can know what's good for you. I can't tell you because I'm me.

I'd recomend mushrooms and moclobemide personally.

 

[Solipsis]

Holy shit no. That's the most heavy duty balls to the walls medicine I can think of, still within the category of chicken soup for the soul. But rather than that more like a mutant broth that punches you in the face with a concrete lumphammer.

But then again, I'm me.
Like NKB said, it might be remedial but it might also very well exacerbate your symptoms. With a strong cocktail like Ismene suggests you can expect the results to be more extreme in whatever direction they go. If anything take the mushrooms and leave out the MAO inhibitor.
But with panic or anxiety issues I would recommend against such things as mushrooms or the other suggestions. Invest your energy in things like physical activities that require mental focus like martial arts which are ideal for that - and also meditation. Then consider getting professional help, because you can hurt yourself with psychedelics and add a PTSD-like syndrome to the mix.

Dammit, now I have to approve the second post to be fair - but this is NOT supposed to be a 'what should I take' thread. I can let a few suggestions slip by but I've seen the TS active in ADD so he should be around, a PM will notify an alert to come here and acknowledge the run of this thread, then it will be closed.

No more drug suggestions in this thread. We've stretched the rules far enough and the TS should get the point. Expect posts other than Dr. psuebo's to disappear, and also I might tickle you to death.

 

[swilow]

^D'ya reckon there is a differece between what drugs should i take to get FUCKED UP and what drugs do I take to heal my aching soul?

Cos I dunno. I think te machines are risng. Evrybody pack up your blow driers.

 

[Scunch]

I've found that the afterglow of most dissociatives, especially MXE since it lasts for several days, completely relieves most anxiety issues for me. I also have had very few panic attacks since I started using MXE, none when I was actively on it. High doses can also be very spiritual, and I find that dissociatives are easier to handle mentally. The worst times seem like distant memories and the best times are transcendental. Those beautiful moments will relieve almost all the stress I feel if I take a second to close my eyes and remember them. The recreational potential should not be understated of course, MXE is amazing and it's very easy to redose constantly and daily while remaining fairly functional, which may not be a good thing if you have low self control. The best thing about MXE though is that the semi-manic anxiety free afterglow can start to stick around for quite a while, like a learned state, and a very positive one at that. I've been doing it on and off for 6-7 months and it's begun replaced my base mindstate. I'm not a completely different person or anything, but it's helped me recognize the positives and deal with the negatives in a far less stressful way, and my ability to become comfortable in social situations is far greater. All around great.

 

[Ismene]

That's the most heavy duty balls to the walls medicine I can think of, still within the category of chicken soup for the soul. But rather than that more like a mutant broth that punches you in the face with a concrete lumphammer.

It is quite friendly tho, I think DMT is one of the friendliest tryptamines.

 

[ColtDan]

I've found that the afterglow of most dissociatives, especially MXE since it lasts for several days, completely relieves most anxiety issues for me. I also have had very few panic attacks since I started using MXE, none when I was actively on it. High doses can also be very spiritual, and I find that dissociatives are easier to handle mentally. The worst times seem like distant memories and the best times are transcendental. Those beautiful moments will relieve almost all the stress I feel if I take a second to close my eyes and remember them. The recreational potential should not be understated of course, MXE is amazing and it's very easy to redose constantly and daily while remaining fairly functional, which may not be a good thing if you have low self control. The best thing about MXE though is that the semi-manic anxiety free afterglow can start to stick around for quite a while, like a learned state, and a very positive one at that. I've been doing it on and off for 6-7 months and it's begun replaced my base mindstate. I'm not a completely different person or anything, but it's helped me recognize the positives and deal with the negatives in a far less stressful way, and my ability to become comfortable in social situations is far greater. All around great.

Absolutely spot on.

the uplifting, positive afterglows i experience last for ages, can provide such an optimistic, motivated outlook on life. i prefer the afterglow to the actual effects, its pretty weird stuff, had some very twisted messy times on it, but the afterglow is absolutely golden. nothing has changed my perspective in a way apart from N,N,DMT. MXE... such a beneficial and diverse drug, keep reading more and more people having brilliant afterglows potentially life changing

 

[Bi0hazardOpeth]

What about Ibogaine? I think that is exactly the type of trip, internal resolution he is looking for.

 

[Transcendence]

Yeah, last summer I went too far trying to use MXE to treat anxiety and depression. But if you can have some self restraint, it works far, far better than anything I've ever tried. I'm still not sure it should be used to treat mental illness because the relief is too nice to want to back away from. I cannot argue with results though...

 

[QuasiModo]

OP I think you have the wrong idea about growth which can follow a psychedelic experience.. The drugs themselves aren't the healer, they are merely the catalyst. The drugs are not the answer themselves and won't inherently lead you to spiritual growth.. They can however make your mind fertile for such growth, in the same way a burn can make land fertile for agriculture. You can't dive into an experience expecting to reach nirvana, such expectations are a recipe to drift away from such an event.. Expect nothing, receive the lesson with an open heart.