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What supernatural / alternative beliefs do you have and why?

What alternative beliefs do you have?

  • God (but none of the ones interpreted in mainstream religion)

    Votes: 8 20.5%
  • God (as a creator, a programmer of the universe)

    Votes: 7 17.9%
  • God (other)

    Votes: 13 33.3%
  • Ghosts

    Votes: 9 23.1%
  • Psychic Abilities

    Votes: 13 33.3%
  • Life after death

    Votes: 10 25.6%
  • Zodiac signs

    Votes: 7 17.9%
  • Karma

    Votes: 16 41.0%
  • Homeopathy

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • I have no alternative / supernatural beliefs

    Votes: 12 30.8%

  • Total voters
    39
And what does the work involve?

That still doesn't change the fact he claims to know the truth but probably doesn't.. even if he believes he does he probably doesn't.
 
That still doesn't change the fact ...
The truth you discover is open to interpretation. I often will describe it as the self existing. One constant sense of self, without a doubt, because nothing else is experienced in that moment.
In theory then this sense will never change and can only be hidden beneath. An unaware person can grasp the idea of self, without the awakening experience, without knowing for certain which sensation of the body to perceive as your true self.
That is the "first truth" I experienced, but the thought telling me, "this is you", even at the flat of the experience, and seeing the vessel, was interference from a disembodied voice.
My own logic told me it was the pure energy coming from the void, that my.thougyts were empty, and that reality is its destruction. The pains I went through and turmoil may have shaped me in some way, but this has all left me now, a decade later
This experience seems commonly, perhaps inevitably, accompanied by detachment from circumstances in your life that give grief, anger, envy, and so on. Dreams of all kinds, feelings of power and control, and the sense you are eternal, unbreakable. It can be heard as the call to our true nature, from the universe, God, humanity, or a spirit coming into you. It may be simply interpretted as somehing you know for certain to be true, such as you can only experience and grasp in unison, or a stone in the infinite ocean of reality to place your foundation.
The experience may be good in that you falsify your old assumptions, but you simply accrue more assumptions.
The one thing I know for certain is that I experienced it. Even while it becomes difficult to remember if I did, I believe the promise to myself, that it was real.
 
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And what does the work involve?

That still doesn't change the fact he claims to know the truth but probably doesn't.. even if he believes he does he probably doesn't.

The work basically involves introspection and meditating on you/your actions, analyzing your thoughts etc. Inwardly looking for answers as opposed to going externally for them. And I do think he had the Truth.. his life story and actions post-enlightenment definitely give a lot of credit to that conclusion. The way he talks to other people and holds himself suggests this to me also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGltafGTtzg

EDIT: Actually the 2nd part of the discussion is probably better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mgs_YTrHAo
 
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I believe that we are not confined to our bodies and that out of body experiences are real because I've had one. I've been lucid dreaming my whole life, I thought this was just another lucid dream but the next morning someone told me they woke up and saw me hovering above their bed. Oddly enough, in my lucid dream I was hovering above this persons bed and saw them wake up. This person didn't know me, she just stayed the night for a party and I never talked about lucid dreams as it was just a mundane thing I did every night. I was kind of in denial for a while, because I wanted to believe that these lucid dreams are just all in my head that way I can go around fearlessly doing whatever I want, but the idea that it could be real is a bit scary because I have had some VERY STRANGE experiences in sleep paralysis and the dreams that follow them. Some of it would be spooky shit if I were to believe it was real.
 
i think tao is a pretty accurate description of the working of the universe, at least in its own way

balance is key to everything in life, hinduism and buddhism which are both at the root very intelligent paths of thought (judaism and christianity etc are also truth at their core, but have been dogmatised and mudded with time, much more than the practice of eastern spirituality from what ive seen) are derived from tao which originated in china much earlier than buddha etc, tao also produced traditional chinese medicine which is much more functional than the black/white ness of western medicine imo

i think once west and eastern thought can work in harmony instead of at opposition (although the east has already accepted western ideas to a great extent), then the world might have a chance of not being so fucked in the future
 
I'll add that the encounter with seemingly supernatural phenomena leads us to merely expand what we think of as "natural". Actually, yeah: how could we really operationalize a division between the two in principle?

ebola
 
I'd class a belief in supernatural phenomena as a belief in a fictitious reality.

Supernatural phenomena can pretty much always be shown to be natural events perceived differently than what they actually are. Hallucinations, coincidences, tricks of the mind, whatever. Choosing to shrug off the scientific evidence for it being one thing to believe it to be another, supernatural thing is choosing to believe in a fictional reality.

So to operationalize a division between the two would be easy when using a subjective perception or belief surrounding the event.. one being fact, one being fiction.. but without the false perception or belief behind a "supernatural event" it would render the event natural.

For example; I awake to see a ghost in my room, clear as day. The truth is likely to be a form of sleep paralysis and / or a dream or trick of the mind. It is a natural occurrence. It's only if I refuse to believe all rational explanations and stand by the belief a ghost was in my room will the event become supernatural and therefore; false.

Another example would be having a "premonition" of something for it to then happen. The truth is likelyto be one or more of 100s of things, such as the event happened before the premonition but a trick of the mind leads you to think you "saw" the event in the past, you think an earlier thought matches a future event perfectly when in fact your mind twists your past thought to match the event, pure coincidence, etc etc. These are all natural events. It's only when I believe i saw the future does the event become supernatural.

i think tao is a pretty accurate description of the working of the universe, at least in its own way

balance is key to everything in life, hinduism and buddhism which are both at the root very intelligent paths of thought (judaism and christianity etc are also truth at their core, but have been dogmatised and mudded with time, much more than the practice of eastern spirituality from what ive seen) are derived from tao which originated in china much earlier than buddha etc, tao also produced traditional chinese medicine which is much more functional than the black/white ness of western medicine imo

i think once west and eastern thought can work in harmony instead of at opposition (although the east has already accepted western ideas to a great extent), then the world might have a chance of not being so fucked in the future

My knowledge on Tao is almost nothing but to me it sounds like it is basically nature or reality (well, the laws that govern the universe) that has been packaged as a metaphysical, spiritualist concept. For example: "Tao is intrinsically related to the concepts yin and yang (pinyin: yīnyáng), where every action creates counter-actions as unavoidable movements within manifestations of the Tao" Is just another way of describing Newtons third law of action/reaction. I see very little difference between Tao and Einsteins metaphorical God.

And no, I'm sorry but traditional chinese medicine is not more functional than western medicine.. it is not as efficient or safe..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_fin_soup#Health_impact

Not saying all of it is a load of bull but i know which doctor (or "doctor") I'd rather go to when ill.
 
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we are in control and create our own fate/destiny/luck/karma/path/journey/life experience/art
 
can u msg me some important points about your past, maybe we already met on the internet?
 
The fuck kind of question is that? How about you message me some important points of your life and where and when you think we may have met online.. and why my post led you to think it a possibility.
 
the only reason i ask questions is to see what i can find...

sorry if i caused offense to your feelings

although im happy they are arising

if i actually hit a nerve

i know im young but i worked fking hard for this
 
You been looking for me or something?

And no you haven't caused offence to my feelings..

Rest of post.. ummm.. what?

You would be happy if you hit a nerve? What have you worked hard for? You out to kill me or something? How do you know my name?
 
i have a pretty good gun, but it shoots bullets of love not destruction
 
I don't really understand the OP question as I don't consider any of my beliefs to be supernatural or alternative. The whole premise of the OP is implying that these things are not true or substantiated in any way, which is why they fall under those categories.

Are you asking me if I have beliefs that most others seem to think aren't real? If so... that is drawing me into comparisons that aren't really relevant to my world view.

EDIT: Just added the poll at the OP's request.
 
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What beliefs do you have that cannot and have not been shown to have evidence to support the belief, to make it an accepted "truth", outside of subjective experience :p
 
We only experience things as subjects though. Our engagement with subjective experience, set in interaction with the objects of this experience, situated within the conditions that constitute this subject-object interaction, constitute items of evidence though. So how could we use the subjective/objective division to categorize types of beliefs?

ebola
 
You're asking people to come forward with beliefs which you think are subjective non-truths, but for them may be truths. How do you expect people to self-identify these non-truths within themselves, for you? AFAIK, anyone who comes forward would be admitting that what they believe is fake.

I'm sorry but the question still doesn't make sense.
 
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