What pre and post workout supplements do you use?

[L2R]

pre: creatine and caffeine
post: erm... food.

i finished my 20kg sack of whey protein months ago, and i don't miss it one bit. i'm in the best shape i've ever been in now.

 

[SirTophamHat]

One of the reasons I like whey is because it is easier to digest than other proteins and ridiculously convenient. Turn a 15g PRO bottle of milk into a 35g supershake with a scoop of choco flavoured powder? Hell yes! :D

 

[freehugs]

bump! looking for something pre-workout to give me the energy to crank out the last few reps, when i hit my limit i hit it hard and fast and i feel like i'm leaving a lot of gains at the table because of it

try jack3d :D

 

[misteee]

2 hours before 3.33IU GH
1 hour before egg whites and grits, skim milk, caffeine
during - water, gatorade powder, BCAAs, creatine
after - (16oz skim milk + 25g whey isolate) + (gatorade/BCAA drink)
1 hour after egg whites or another low/non-fat meat + 50g carbs (grits, rice, whatever is fast acting)

3 hours after - resume pro/carb/fat meals (40g/40g/20g is my common macro split)

I got my 5rep squat from 135 to 355 in 2 years

good effort, seems like your very dedicated

i tried jack3d for the first time today, i was a little disapointed... i hear such a hype about it and personally i found the N.O xplode more effective,
in saying that im gona up my doseage so maybe this will help. note i had a started 5.5 gram dose as the bottle says.

 

[L2R]

One of the reasons I like whey is because it is easier to digest than other proteins and ridiculously convenient. Turn a 15g PRO bottle of milk into a 35g supershake with a scoop of choco flavoured powder? Hell yes! :D

true this.

you know i don't actually eat that much, nothing really special or unusual, and yet my gains are still as good (better actually) as when i was upping the protein. my training wasn't as good then as now, but this only emphasises that the work is more important for me at this stage, and i don't feel like i'm near a plateau just yet.

 

[SirTophamHat]

If you are getting good gains without the whey it makes sense to save your money and hold off. That way, when you reach that plateau, you could implement the whey and then blast through, even if the rest of the diet stays the same! I ran out of whey over the summer, and haven't gotten around to getting more yet. Probs gonna reup on Thursday.

 

[SirTophamHat]

You're really argumentative Didn't you start taking steroids when you were like, 145-150lbs? And now you're all of 10lbs heavier? Cool beans man. We all know you're smart and all, you do your reading and know the science behind things, but you should stop assuming that everyone should live their lives exactly as you do.

 

[alterego.shadow]

I used to take creatine. I noticed some pretty impressive gains in strength and size. But, you can't take it forever. After I stopped taking it I noticed those gains mostly diminished. Since then, I decided I would go completely natural. I think supplements are too expensive and really don't help that much in the long run. Not to mention, some of these substances are pretty new, so the long-term effects aren't known. Be careful with the whey protein you consume, some has been found to have heavy metals.

 

[L2R]

MM, there is a definite value in reaching a limit sans some extra supplements prior to implementing them (whatever they are).

 

[Mehm]

It smells like stinky testosterone in here

 

[misteee]

It smells like stinky testosterone in here

8) gigles.


seriously feeling in my prime, my diet + supplimentation seems to have finally meet a nice ground... in 18 months iv gained 17.5 kg. very pleased. lean muscles and damn sexy lookin....

 

[delta_9]

bump! looking for something pre-workout to give me the energy to crank out the last few reps, when i hit my limit i hit it hard and fast and i feel like i'm leaving a lot of gains at the table because of it

i typically don't eat for hours before a workout because i start really feeling like shit halfway through if there is anything in my stomach.

post-workout i take glutamine with whey.



what are you talking about? whey is separated from milk, it's not synthetic and neither are the other nutrients added to the whey powders to increase their effectiveness. almonds are great because they're cheap but they are nothing compared to the effectiveness of protein powders. if anything, you're going to be healthier and happier from a quality whey recipe than you'd be from a fistful of almonds. hell, i don't even know why whey powders are refered to in the same sentence as supplements because it's not a SUPPLEMENT, it's just as much energy-rich food as a sandwich or a slice of pie. mmmm pie



this colloidal silver business is a scam, or so i was told in no uncertain terms by two doctors who are also highly respected professionals in the fields of microbiology and orthomolecular medicine, which is the area of study the colloidal silver manufacturers claim it belongs to.

Indeed colloidal silver can cause seizures, permanent skin coloration, and damage to liver and kidneys with prolonged use. Do NOT exceed 30PPM, twice/day.

Mehm, you're going to want to chill on the antioxidants as well. Exercise-induced reactive oxygen species(ROS) are crucial to the regulation of beneficial skeletal muscle adaptations, for example increased mitochondrial biogenesis. Certain antioxidants(such as ALA or vit e) will hinder this.

Regarding cannabis, smoking cannabis will likely increase aromatase which can lead to weight gain. Also so can the munchies lol.

 

[SirTophamHat]

ah and thanks sirtop for openly attacking me without knowing any of my personal background. I hope to learn from the experience of being openly attacked on a public forum (in front of my girlfriend, and a few of my close friends that live down the road). I certainly appreciate the chance to be humiliated and diminish my ego (in a healthy way) in front of those whose respect I hold most dearly. I'll become better because of this attack. You'll still be a weak asshole.

Hey man, I've tried to be friendly to you. All you want to do, it seems, is criticize others from your high horse. First you complain that I am "attacking" you, then you call me names. It is plainly apparent why you've been banned from this forum so many times. I apologize for what I said. I have no idea who you are and why you make the choices you make. All I was trying to get at is the fact that you don't know the backgrounds of other anonymous posters either.

I am not on this forum to bully people or be bullied. I would like to be your friend. So again, I apologize. Excuse me while I go read your PM now, which is hopefully written in a nicer tone than your last post in this thread.

Cheers

 

[SirTophamHat]

*spontaneously lactates and blushes*

In the spirit of this thread I am going to go drink a PWO shake.

 

[L2R]

it a joke if you think whey is a supplement. Its a food. Its like saying wait to take sweet potatoes until you're a certain size.
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not to labour on a point, but ....

whey protein is not used as a food replacement but a food to supplement other (real'er ) foods. your rice and sweet potato analogies fall short for this reason.

 

[L2R]

my post is about the definition of the word "supplement". IF you completely replace your meal with whey protein, your earlier declaration that "it's not a supplement, it's food" would hold ground.

i winked with the word "real'er" because i was joking with that part. I hope the above clears the point i am making and that whatever is bothering you lately clears up quickly.

 

[thujone]

i always take whey powder in such a way as to not have to eat so much real food. it's got a meal's worth of protein in it, basically hitting the limit of the amount of protein that the body can even metabolize at once (a topic aanallein piqued my interest with in another thread).

that makes it pointless to drink a protein shake after my workout then continue to eat nuts and meat, so basically it's replacing "real" food. which is good because it's fucking expensive.

even if you spread your meals out enough to pound through as much protein as is humanly possible in a day, and truly just use protein powder as a supplement to get every ounce of usable protein daily, it is still doing the work of legitimate food so calling it a supplement would be like calling a horse an ass.

 

[L2R]

^don't worry, MM. It really isn't that important to get upset over.

i always take whey powder in such a way as to not have to eat so much real food. it's got a meal's worth of protein in it, basically hitting the limit of the amount of protein that the body can even metabolize at once (a topic aanallein piqued my interest with in another thread).

that makes it pointless to drink a protein shake after my workout then continue to eat nuts and meat, so basically it's replacing "real" food. which is good because it's fucking expensive.

even if you spread your meals out enough to pound through as much protein as is humanly possible in a day, and truly just use protein powder as a supplement to get every ounce of usable protein daily, it is still doing the work of legitimate food so calling it a supplement would be like calling a horse an ass.

the same could be said of any vitamin supplement. "i take extra calcium or vitamin c so i don't have to get as much in food, so therefore it is not a supplement." I dunno, mate.

 

[L2R]

nope. i like to use the word. you seem upset because you can't understand what i am saying.

geez, andy. what is up with you lately?

 

[freehugs]

(these bastards certainly like to use fancy names for their products, don't they?)

Man I don't know how you can stand NO Explode lol. But yeah the names are all propaganda the labels are actually quite funny. I love the ones that say it works so well its almost illegal and what not.