What Percentage Of Bodybuilding.com And The Related Culture Take Steroids?

Wolfmans_BrothEr said:
id call that a medical condition, u kno.....to live
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injecting a foreign, man made substance which speeds up muscle recovery is cutting corners

How would you describe Testosterone Replacement Therapy..? The testosterone molecule injected is exactly the same, only created in a lab with a ester attached because pinning low dose every 2-3 hours to obtain steady blood levels is impractical....

"Cutting corners" or a clever use of compounds..? Depends who's using..

Using an anabolic compound to hold on to muscle whilst in a calorie deficit combined with a fat burner is an essential tool leading up to a comp'... That's why natural Body-Builders are at such a huge disadvantage....
 
Genetic Freak said:
That's why natural Body-Builders are at such a huge disadvantage....
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yea but they look so much better imo

im talking in terms of building muscle, not for someone with a disorder where they need that to survive/function. theres a fundamental difference in someone taking steroids out of necessity and someone taking them for an increased advantage

in the end this is solely my opinion, based on the knowledge ive obtained over the years. the fact that all you guys are getting so defensive means i must be doing something right. continue to try to justify your use. all i hear is...."man everyone else is doing it so i have to" god forbid any of you set an example for others to live by. and everyone talks about it being a necessity to compete....do any of you actually compete, or is this to just make you feel better about yourselves and your choices? im not tryna be a dick btw
 
Wolfmans_BrothEr said:
yea but they look so much better imo

im talking in terms of building muscle, not for someone with a disorder where they need that to survive/function. theres a fundamental difference in someone taking steroids out of necessity and someone taking them for an increased advantage

in the end this is solely my opinion, based on the knowledge ive obtained over the years. the fact that all you guys are getting so defensive means i must be doing something right. continue to try to justify your use. all i hear is...."man everyone else is doing it so i have to" god forbid any of you set an example for others to live by. and everyone talks about it being a necessity to compete....do any of you actually compete, or is this to just make you feel better about yourselves and your choices? im not tryna be a dick btw
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I hate to break it to you but those natural bodybuilders that look oh so great, 95% of them are on a low dose of HGH, low dose of Test, and abuse the shit out of Trenbolone, Anavar, and Winstrol. Layne Norton for example, claims natural and is revered by bb.com and naive young men as being natural all while smiling, reaching chicken and broccoli meals whilst holding a 5ml syringe behind his back.
 
Wolfmans_BrothEr said:
yea but they look so much better imo

im talking in terms of building muscle, not for someone with a disorder where they need that to survive/function. theres a fundamental difference in someone taking steroids out of necessity and someone taking them for an increased advantage

in the end this is solely my opinion, based on the knowledge ive obtained over the years. the fact that all you guys are getting so defensive means i must be doing something right. continue to try to justify your use. all i hear is...."man everyone else is doing it so i have to" god forbid any of you set an example for others to live by. and everyone talks about it being a necessity to compete....do any of you actually compete, or is this to just make you feel better about yourselves and your choices? im not tryna be a dick btw
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in terms of building muscle

Again when applied correctly, they are used in the bulking phase to obtain as much size as possible, prior to carb depletion pre comp'...

taking steroids out of necessity

The necessity is, as a top level competitor you need to level the playing field by doing what the opposition is doing... That's taking gear...

an increased advantage

When everybody else is doing it, it no longer becomes an advantage and more like a necessity...

do any of you actually compete

My client in NZ National Champion....


Some federations allow steroid use therefore as a competitor its acceptable, I'd agree its out of order when geared up athletes enter natural only comps'.. they do, but that's life..!!!

Any individual has the personal freedom to take gear if they so wish, I mentioned earlier it can be done with relative safety, but as with everything in life there is always some useless twat that will abuse, become a statistic and ruin it for everyone else....
 
-Guido- said:
I hate to break it to you but those natural bodybuilders that look oh so great, 95% of them are on a low dose of HGH, low dose of Test, and abuse the shit out of Trenbolone, Anavar, and Winstrol. Layne Norton for example, claims natural and is revered by bb.com and naive young men as being natural all while smiling, reaching chicken and broccoli meals whilst holding a 5ml syringe behind his back.
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the worst part is somewhere in there twisted minds they actually make themselves believe they're natural

i hate bb.com because it's full of liars that put unrealistic expectations into young kids
 
Well there are two people I know that I believe that they are natural (and were always natural).

First is some insane (insane about his training, not insane) dude from my gym, he's not that big but ripped as hell, strong in all bodyweight moves, not to shabby on the weights (especially considering his bw). And he's been visiting my gym for longer than I have and was always ripped and strong. I also know a large part of his life evolves about body building. I even asked him one if he ever considered taking something to improve his gains and he said that he doesn't see the point, since you can't really make big bucks in our country by being a great bodybuilder.

Second is my friend from hs. Always wanted to be big, got his wish after a few years of training. Whenever asked if he'd like to cut some fat and make his muscles stand out more his answer is that he prefers big big with a little definition than small with a lot of it. And that's how it goes for most natural trainees other than the occasional genetic prodigy. And while he is strong, none of his strength suggest additional hormones.

Others, well, let me put it like this.. when you see guys inflate in 3 months, deflate in the next 3, repeat... doesn't really fit with 100% natty bro.


And just for the record, I have nothing against people using steroids, their body, their choice. Just wanted to make it clear how it is.
 
This thread is old as shit but I wanted to put in an opinion - the body of a guy like Zyzz can definitely be achieved without steroids - it's just hard as shit. He really wasn't THAT big, and I don't think he wanted to get much bigger than he was, he was hovering around 200 lbs., of pure muscle, yes, but bodybuilders using steroids can get up to 280+ lbs. of pure muscle. I'm not saying that Zyzz wasn't on steroids, he probably was, but I'm sure he could have achieved the same body with his work ethic minus steroids. My main point that I want to make is that it comes down to how fast you want results - Zyzz probably wanted to get results fast, hence the steroids. He could have achieved the same without steroids but it probably would have taken a few more years - I'm sure if he could do it over he would lay off the drugs and be more patient.
 
omnipresenthuman said:
This thread is old as shit but I wanted to put in an opinion - the body of a guy like Zyzz can definitely be achieved without steroids - it's just hard as shit. He really wasn't THAT big, and I don't think he wanted to get much bigger than he was, he was hovering around 200 lbs., of pure muscle, yes, but bodybuilders using steroids can get up to 280+ lbs. of pure muscle. I'm not saying that Zyzz wasn't on steroids, he probably was, but I'm sure he could have achieved the same body with his work ethic minus steroids. My main point that I want to make is that it comes down to how fast you want results - Zyzz probably wanted to get results fast, hence the steroids. He could have achieved the same without steroids but it probably would have taken a few more years - I'm sure if he could do it over he would lay off the drugs and be more patient.
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No.
 
I don't really know if he could have achieved his physique without steroids, but at least he was honest about it. I actually think zyzz was a good guy. He used a ton of drugs probably, but he lived fast and happy and died young. If I were him I wouldn't use as much drugs as he did but my ultimate goal would be to have a happy life.
 
flyhighk said:
but he lived fast and happy and died young. If I were him I wouldn't use as much drugs as he did but my ultimate goal would be to have a happy life.
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I will probably cop some flack for this opinion, but people who are happy don't use drugs on a regular basis. What is the purpose of drug use? To escape/change your reality?

I'm not condemning people that use drugs, what an individual wants to do with their life and body is up to them (hell, I used to consume illicit drugs). It is my opinion though, that people use drugs necause they aren't happy with their current reality. Not just targeting drugs, the same goes for alcohol.
 
I wholeheartedly agree, Salvatore. The very large majority of people who use drugs and alcohol often are unhappy or insecure.
I know from experience. I don't know too many people who COULD drink as much as I did when I was 21/22. I was also unhappy, but and probably had horribly low T. I discovered lifting and hormone replacement, grew up, and have never been happier. I, now, also no longer drink excessively. Hardly at all. Bodybuilding changed my life. I believe Guido's story is similiar too. He doesn't use anymore either.
 
I quit drugs and alcohol as well. Been almost 2 years. 6 weeks without ciggies too.
 
auhsoJ said:
I actually think training natural is easier than assisted. That depends entirely on the individual though. When I'm natural I don't need to eat as much, can't train as often or long and I have to take more time off from training. I can see some lazy fatty taking steroids, rarely training and eating crap though. That's corner cutting. Don't generalize.
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If you take steroids and eat like shit and si on your ass all you will do is piss away money. You won't grow.
 
omnipresenthuman said:
This thread is old as shit but I wanted to put in an opinion - the body of a guy like Zyzz can definitely be achieved without steroids - it's just hard as shit. He really wasn't THAT big, and I don't think he wanted to get much bigger than he was, he was hovering around 200 lbs., of pure muscle, yes, but bodybuilders using steroids can get up to 280+ lbs. of pure muscle. I'm not saying that Zyzz wasn't on steroids, he probably was, but I'm sure he could have achieved the same body with his work ethic minus steroids. My main point that I want to make is that it comes down to how fast you want results - Zyzz probably wanted to get results fast, hence the steroids. He could have achieved the same without steroids but it probably would have taken a few more years - I'm sure if he could do it over he would lay off the drugs and be more patient.
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Nope. It's not possible.

Having a low body fat percentage like that coupled with the amount of lean mass he had, the thin skin, and the vascularity and dryness is just not achievable naturally.
 
flyhighk said:
I don't really know if he could have achieved his physique without steroids, but at least he was honest about it. I actually think zyzz was a good guy. He used a ton of drugs probably, but he lived fast and happy and died young. If I were him I wouldn't use as much drugs as he did but my ultimate goal would be to have a happy life.
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He was filth. He sold overpriced protien powder. He sold a bodybuilding PDF with info you could of gotten off Google. He sold people overpriced watered down steroids. He did nothing but create a negative stereotype for young bodybuilders. He was insecure to an unheard of degree; Steroids weren't enough. He needed plastic and cosmetic surgery. He set a bad example for young guys by combining steroids with narcotics and harsh stimulants.
 
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-Guido- said:
He was filth. He sold overpriced protien powder. He sold a bodybuilding PDF with info you could of gotten off Google. He sold people overpriced watered down steroids. He did nothing but create a negative stereotype for young bodybuilders. He was insecure to an unheard of degree; Steroids weren't enough. He needed plastic and cosmetic surgery. He set a bad example for young guys by combining steroids with narcotics and harsh stimulants.
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I happen to agree the kid was a freaking idiot, and blatantly irresponsible to boot.
 
dont have much to say about bb.com, but the gym i used to manage was ripe with roids from all over the world. one bottle just had a picture of a bull on it with chinese characters. id find testogel sachets on the floor in the locker room, syringe caps. it was mainly the trainers, not many of the members. i think the trainers knew if they did something stupid like left a spike sitting out i would have fired them so fast it would make their non neck spin. some of these trainers were doing hardcore orals and injectables, anadrol, tren, deca, you name it and it was there, plus all the other stuff that goes with it. anti estrogen pills.

funniest thing to me was the guys that juiced really heavy were nowhere, and i do mean nowhere as strong as the guys who did it all natural. the biggest dude in the gym had his tech down, diet right, recovery time right, and this guy was a freaking tank. when the gym was really crowded id have to go to the shed to get him extra 45lb plates bc ppl were using most of them lol. nicest dude too, most of the juice heads were total douche bags. not to say all of them were, but they had no interest in fitness, they did no cardio (and no cardio is not for wimps) all they did was upper body and abs...then probably got gay with the steam room bandit.
 
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