Cocaine what makes something cocaine?

[clubcard]

I just hate drug snobs who have no sympathy for people harmed by the NOBMe's who expect anything else from the 'established' drugs. What makes it? A competent chemist in an NMR/GC-MS equiped lab an all of the correct precursors.

What was the last thing? The S.American version of getting your countrymen hooked on the drug from the plants grown? Oxidada? Sounds just like pasta (cocaine sulphate) to me but it got some headlines.

Even medicines are regularly found to be unsafe from thalidomide onwards...

 

[sailor bugg]

cutting agents are usually either speed(if its clean, the smell is a giveaway), ethylphenidate, benzocaine, lidocaine etc.. ive seen a lot of coke go through my friends hands, and a fair bit up my nose, and as someone involved in the fire spitting industry (parrafin/kerosene is used), i can say coke smells more like kerosene than like acid, i imagine they would only use enough acid to get rid of NEARLY ALL of the kerosene, because using more acid to get rid of all the kerosene would leave it tainted with acid as opposed to near-inert kerosene (by comparison to Sulph acid at least, you can wash your mouth out with kerosene to no health risk, just dont swallow)
kerosene also leaves this incredibly annoying fine greasy layer on the skin, similar to the slight greasyness of fresh coke.

I'm not sure why a strong acid such as HCL would be used to get rid of kerosene. To my knowledge HCL doesn't interact with kerosine and is used to convert the base coca paste into its salt form so it's water soluble. The kerosine is used to extract the alkaloid from the plant and then is made basic by adding NaOH. Then the HCL is added to convert this freebase into a salt. Now I'm not sure about the NaOH used to freebase it but I think that's how it's done.

 

[sailor bugg]

It's only one isomer of thallimide that causes birth defects, the other isomer is perfectly safe. (Breaking bad ftw)

 

[Someone13232]

thats what i would have assumed from production as well, but i come into contact with lots of kerosene and cocaine, and you really can tell the similarities. maybe its put in afterwards as a means of keeping it from getting wet with water and degrading? similar to how speed sulphate nearly allways comes damp and oily (and speedheads shoot up with vegetable oil i hear)
and thanks for mentioning levamisole someone, i allways forget what that bloody stuff is called

 

[sailor bugg]

thats what i would have assumed from production as well, but i come into contact with lots of kerosene and cocaine, and you really can tell the similarities. maybe its put in afterwards as a means of keeping it from getting wet with water and degrading? similar to how speed sulphate nearly allways comes damp and oily (and speedheads shoot up with vegetable oil i hear)
and thanks for mentioning levamisole someone, i allways forget what that bloody stuff is called

Well that may be true but unless you've been out to a jungle in Columbia I don't think you can tell for sure if the HCL affects the kerosine. As far as I know a strong proton donator wouldn't do anything to a non polar solvent like kerosine it's not a proton acceptor or anything. But I can see your point as using it as a dehydrating agent after Cocaine HCL is made, as it is hydroscopic.

 

[ongos]

i've seen food grade sulfuric acids as well as medical kerosene. I'm assuming these can be safe for human ingestion, as long as do not make a poison dose.

Isn't cocaine in the leaf of the coca plant? So for it to be extracted and turned into a drug product, the use of chemicals such as kerosene and sulfuric acid are what's needed? Why not malic or citric acids? Those are human grade.

Would it yield a different result if using other chemicals other than kerosene and sulfuric acid?

So to extract cocaine from coca leaf is to use kerosene, can't use water as it breaks down the alkaloid. OK. From what I understand sulfuric acid can be substituted with hydrochloric acid (HCL), which is preferable since sulfuric acid is a bit stronger.

Pure sulfuric acid is just as dangerous as you'd think. It's not used ina pure form for fruit preservation; instead sulfur trioxide/dioxide gas is used which reacts with trace water to form small amounts of sulfuric acid.

Sulfuric acid is... well, it's damaging because it's a strong acid. If you take sulfuric acid and you neutralize it with any sort of base, you make a salt which is much less harmful because you take away the acididty. For instance you can turn hydrogen chloride (a gaseous acid vapour) into sodium chloride (table salt) by neutralizing it... the same thing happens with drugs.

Sulfuric acid isn't used as a solvent and is not used to "get the kerosene out" it's used to form a water-soluble and oil insoluble salt from the water-insoluble and oil soluble base alkaloid.

 

[ongos]

our stomachs produce hydrochloric acids. I've seen dietary supplements for sale for those who do not produce enough of it. Is HCL that strong?

http://www.amazon.com/Hydrochloric-...-spell&keywords=hydrochlroric+acid+supplement

I'm not sure why a strong acid such as HCL would be used to get rid of kerosene. To my knowledge HCL doesn't interact with kerosine and is used to convert the base coca paste into its salt form so it's water soluble. The kerosine is used to extract the alkaloid from the plant and then is made basic by adding NaOH. Then the HCL is added to convert this freebase into a salt. Now I'm not sure about the NaOH used to freebase it but I think that's how it's done.

 

[ongos]

who adds this junk when other junk is cheaper and healthier? I've taken 18g of inositol for OCD and depression. It works.

when you say tiny amounts, those gallons of kerosene used gets strained eventually? And those sulfuric acids as well. It does contain some of those chemicals.

you ever snorted panties? there's no pussy in it, but it has its stink. You get me?

If you're gonna worry about stuff in your coke I'd start with levamisole and other intentionally added cutting agents, not some tiny amounts of the chemicals used in production.

 

[ongos]

doesn't cigarettes have something similar? I don't know about this about coke. Maybe a scare tactic by the DEA? Could be true as well if cigs had a bunch of junk.

There more then RCs or local anesthesic in coke, some even put powdered glass in it or other stuff you don't even want to know. Anything that is white and powdered is a good cutting agent for stupid reseller.

 

[ongos]

so the sulf acid dries out the kerosene like a solvent? wouldn't another solvent be cleaner to use? HCL acid is right up there. why not use citrus solvents? those are safer. ?

is parrafin cleaner than kerosene? I'd assume k1 kerosene should be used as it is cleaner than k2.

cutting agents are usually either speed(if its clean, the smell is a giveaway), ethylphenidate, benzocaine, lidocaine etc.. ive seen a lot of coke go through my friends hands, and a fair bit up my nose, and as someone involved in the fire spitting industry (parrafin/kerosene is used), i can say coke smells more like kerosene than like acid, i imagine they would only use enough acid to get rid of NEARLY ALL of the kerosene, because using more acid to get rid of all the kerosene would leave it tainted with acid as opposed to near-inert kerosene (by comparison to Sulph acid at least, you can wash your mouth out with kerosene to no health risk, just dont swallow)
kerosene also leaves this incredibly annoying fine greasy layer on the skin, similar to the slight greasyness of fresh coke.

 

[Someone13232]

so the sulf acid dries out the kerosene like a solvent? wouldn't another solvent be cleaner to use? HCL acid is right up there. why not use citrus solvents? those are safer. ?

is parrafin cleaner than kerosene? I'd assume k1 kerosene should be used as it is cleaner than k2.

i dont know if that is the case, i was basing my foundation on what was said before me, heres an extraction i found, allbeit probably not by the cartel so it can vary
http://files.shroomery.org/cms/5884387-cocaine_extraction.pdf

whatever goes, im sure final product cocaine smells of kerosene to me.

 

[clubcard]

It's only one isomer of thallimide that causes birth defects, the other isomer is perfectly safe. (Breaking bad ftw)

Yep - and inside the body, the isomers interconvene. EFW!