Opioids What is your daily manageable heroin dose?

[Kennethjalla83]

Iam just wondering what doses people are able to stay on within a 24 hour limit without getting to sick, and is it possible to get adjusted to dosing heroin just once every 24 hours? The reason iam asking is because iam trying to taper my dose and make my stash/money last longer, and also iam aiming at going to detox soon so i wanna be stable at a low dose to make my detox as easy as possible. In my mind iam aiming at a 50mg a day habbit, either once a day or 2x25mg. I have been running more close to 500mg a day for some while but i recently managed to do 1 week on buprenorphine and reset my tolerance levels quite a bit. My first goal is to stay at max 100 mg a day, then slowly trying do getting used to 50mg before trying my ultimate low end goal of 25mg once a day when iam close to getting in to detox. Its only been 3 days now on around 300mg a day after i whent from buprenorphine, and also i had 1 opiate free day between where i used lyrica. So iam exited to hear about other people's experiences regarding staying low dosed on heroin. Btw i snort my H, i never do needles, whent into OD last time i did that and it scared me away. Since ther can be different strengths to different batches i know 25mg or wathever can be different based on strengths, so to just put other word on it my goal is to just try to stay on the smallest amount possible to just keep me away of beeing sick. I see how my question can be a conundrum based on the different strength to batches fact.

 

[negrogesic]

Why not stick just with buprenorphine, out of curiosity?

Unless you have a stable source for non-fentanyl "heroin", its sort of a shot in the dark to try to dose a consistent amount each day. Is this US heroin? If so it has little to no heroin in it (at least if you bought it on the street).

 

[Jabberwocky]

@Kennethjalla83 if I'm reading correctly your plan is to taper your heroin/fentadope dose down to 25mg, then with the plan/date of going into a detox?

What is your goal here if you don't mind me asking? Are you trying to quit? Are you planning on going into recovery/rehab?

I have to say if you're already a junky the idea of tapering your use down to a lower level and then maintain there is very commendable but a bit foolhardy in my view. Not saying it's impossible, but I think most people have a better chance of being the next Kobe Bryant :/

I never was an IV user either... but "tapering" and "dope" don't really exist in the same sentence for me. Your foot is either on the gas pedal, or it's not. It would be physically impossible for me to taper street dope in the manner you are suggesting. Trust me, I've tried.

 

[Kennethjalla83]

@Kennethjalla83 if I'm reading correctly your plan is to taper your heroin/fentadope dose down to 25mg, then with the plan/date of going into a detox?

What is your goal here if you don't mind me asking? Are you trying to quit? Are you planning on going into recovery/rehab?

I have to say if you're already a junky the idea of tapering your use down to a lower level and then maintain there is very commendable but a bit foolhardy in my view. Not saying it's impossible, but I think most people have a better chance of being the next Kobe Bryant :/

I never was an IV user either... but "tapering" and "dope" don't really exist in the same sentence for me. Your foot is either on the gas pedal, or it's not. It would be physically impossible for me to taper street dope in the manner you are suggesting. Trust me, I've tried.

My plan is to quit entirely, i was recently in rehab for 15 months and since February this year i started relapsing then the last 4 months opiates have become a daily jail again. So my goal is just to manage keeping a functioning level intil i get a bed at the detox center without escalating my problem, luckily my country Norway haven't been hit by the Fentadope epedemic yet. I know tapering is hard as hell i have been trying for a while and sometimes i can manage before a wesk moment make things escalate a little bit again. Iam just looking for motivation and seeking knowledge about the minimal daily dose others manage to cope with. And also my gosl is that if i manage to be adjusted to a low dose when entering detox the withdrawal prosesses will be more manageable than on a high dose, and ofcourse there is economics involved in it. We dont have the longest waiting times to get into detox then rehab, so its about very carefully starting a road to detox while awaiting for a detox bed to become available. Dont wanna be either Kobe or a full blown addict again Have wasted enough of my life to that so iam just trying to get back to where I was before my relapse as i was very pleased with that "boring" and normal way of life.

 

[Kennethjalla83]

Why not stick just with buprenorphine, out of curiosity?

Unless you have a stable source for non-fentanyl "heroin", its sort of a shot in the dark to try to dose a consistent amount each day. Is this US heroin? If so it has little to no heroin in it (at least if you bought it on the street).

I would stick to buprenorphine if i had a steady way to obtaining it but it has shown difficult in the city i live, i live in Norway and we havent suffered the Fentadope problem in big scale yet, i know its still hard with different batches beeing different strengths but for the most part there is consitency over long periods in the batches here since the market is very limited, medium sized city with a small active user environment.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

For some reason everytime I got dope and told myself over and over I would use it for a taper it would be gone in an hour, then I’d have to buy more but this time REALLY taper, then that would be gone, and so on for a couple years…however if your sick you’d be surprised how little dope it takes to make you feel good

 

[Jabberwocky]

For some reason everytime I got dope and told myself over and over I would use it for a taper it would be gone in an hour, then I’d have to buy more but this time REALLY taper, then that would be gone, and so on for a couple years…however if your sick you’d be surprised how little dope it takes to make you feel good

The biggest and most common lie I've ever told myself was "this time will be different, I'm going to use less and make this last". It's so easy to convincingly lie to yourself like that.

So my goal is just to manage keeping a functioning level intil i get a bed at the detox center without escalating my problem

Ah, this makes sense. Sounds like a very American style problem you have (not being able to get into rehab or medical help and the only option is to go into jail to get such help).

I wish you the best my friend.

 

[Kennethjalla83]

For some reason everytime I got dope and told myself over and over I would use it for a taper it would be gone in an hour, then I’d have to buy more but this time REALLY taper, then that would be gone, and so on for a couple years…however if your sick you’d be surprised how little dope it takes to make you feel good

Story of my life

 

[Kennethjalla83]

The biggest and most common lie I've ever told myself was "this time will be different, I'm going to use less and make this last". It's so easy to convincingly lie to yourself like that.


Ah, this makes sense. Sounds like a very American style problem you have (not being able to get into rehab or medical help and the only option is to go into jail to get such help).

I wish you the best my friend.

Thank u fellow bluelighter, luckily Scandinavia do have a gd health care system where u can go online and check the waiting times for the different detox centers and choose the one you can get fastest access to. We have something called free patient choice, so we dont have to go to jail to get fast help. The only problem is that the best quality places have the longest waiting times, but it does not really matter as long as there is help to get. Also all Healthcare here is free, no need of insurance or anything, if u need help u get it paid by the state. And thank god for that.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Thank u fellow bluelighter, luckily Scandinavia do have a gd health care system where u can go online and check the waiting times for the different detox centers and choose the one you can get fastest access to. We have something called free patient choice, so we dont have to go to jail to get fast help. The only problem is that the best quality places have the longest waiting times, but it does not really matter as long as there is help to get. Also all Healthcare here is free, no need of insurance or anything, if u need help u get it paid by the state. And thank god for that.

I'll be honest, I get quite jealous just reading that. If there was one thing I desperately wish for in my country, it would be a health system that actually works. Ours doesn't. >_<

I literally can't even go to a rehab if I wanted to right now since I don't have insurance, they wouldn't take me. If I wanted to see a therapist it would cost me about $300 PER HOUR.

I am not so proud of my country a lot of the time. The worst part is the vast majority of Americans aren't even aware how terrible their healthcare system is. They think it's acceptable, because they are told it is but they don't question it.

 

[Treyderaid]

Yeah so right now I’m on 8 mg of buprenorphine a day. I was on 16. Man it’s really hard to control a heroin habit for me. I really just can’t do it. Every time I’ve tried I’ve failed. It sounds to me like you have good intentions that you are having trouble making into a reality. Good luck man but I recommend you think about going back to the buprenorphine if you want to control your habit.

 

[Kennethjalla83]

I'll be honest, I get quite jealous just reading that. If there was one thing I desperately wish for in my country, it would be a health system that actually works. Ours doesn't. >_<

I literally can't even go to a rehab if I wanted to right now since I don't have insurance, they wouldn't take me. If I wanted to see a therapist it would cost me about $300 PER HOUR.

I am not so proud of my country a lot of the time. The worst part is the vast majority of Americans aren't even aware how terrible their healthcare system is. They think it's acceptable, because they are told it is but they don't question it.

I know, i have always had a big hearth for America and American culture so i have alot of knowledge about how people in your country suffer due to unfair and expensive health care. To put a price on humans like that isn't ok. The system we have is so gd that most people take it in vein, not understanding how lucky we are compared to most of the world. Many hate socialism but here it works very well. We had election yesterday actually and the socialists side won after 8 years of capitalistic parties. Not that they made it so much harder but it just shows the heart of our people

 

[endlessnameless]

I've able to maintain a habit at a bag a day. As someone else mentioned, if you're sick you'd be surprised at how little will get you well - especially if thats all you're smoking over a 24hr period. I mean I could literally smoke a line at 11am and that'd shake the sweats/chills and nausea until evening.

About tapering - extremely difficult but not impossible. I recently just cut my habit down to €140 p/w to €40 and jumped off 4 days ago. Some sweats/chills, backache, anxiety and a little nausea but nothing major. I put that down to the fact that the last two €20 bags were *very* low quality dope though. Switching to low quality dope might actually be a viable way of bringing yourself off a habit with minimum w/d's since its so difficult to keep a bag and just work off that line by line, day by day until its gone.

 

[Kennethjalla83]

Yeah so right now I’m on 8 mg of buprenorphine a day. I was on 16. Man it’s really hard to control a heroin habit for me. I really just can’t do it. Every time I’ve tried I’ve failed. It sounds to me like you have good intentions that you are having trouble making into a reality. Good luck man but I recommend you think about going back to the buprenorphine if you want to control your habit.

Yes i know, its much easier to control on buprenorphine and its also less sedating on the brain so its easy to manage a normal life on buprenorphine, feeling hunger again and enjoying food, getting back some interests, and generally feeling more alert. Right now iam in a new city so i don't have a big list of contacts yet so Heroin is much more available. Anyway i was at my doctors office today so now it just a matter of days before i get a meeting at the detox center and hopefully i will be starting my detox in 4 to 5 weeks. They taper heroin addiction with buprenorphine the first week, but my main goal is to be 100% opiate/opiod free again, like i just was for almost 3 years. If i fail again i will concider the buprenorphine program we have.

 

[Kennethjalla83]

Yeah so right now I’m on 8 mg of buprenorphine a day. I was on 16. Man it’s really hard to control a heroin habit for me. I really just can’t do it. Every time I’ve tried I’ve failed. It sounds to me like you have good intentions that you are having trouble making into a reality. Good luck man but I recommend you think about going back to the buprenorphine if you want to control your habit.

Yes i know, its much easier to control on buprenorphine and its also less sedating on the brain so its easy to manage a normal life on buprenorphine, feeling hunger again and enjoying food, getting back some interests, and generally feeling more alert. Right now ism in a new city so i don't have a big list of contacts yet so Heroin is much more available. Anyway i was at my doctors office today so now it just a matter of days before i get a meeting at the detox center and hopefully i will be starting my detox in 4

I've able to maintain a habit at a bag a day. As someone else mentioned, if you're sick you'd be surprised at how little will get you well - especially if thats all you're smoking over a 24hr period. I mean I could literally smoke a line at 11am and that'd shake the sweats/chills and nausea until evening.

About tapering - extremely difficult but not impossible. I recently just cut my habit down to €140 p/w to €40 and jumped off 4 days ago. Some sweats/chills, backache, anxiety and a little nausea but nothing major. I put that down to the fact that the last two €20 bags were *very* low quality dope though. Switching to low quality dope might actually be a viable way of bringing yourself off a habit with minimum w/d's since its so difficult to keep a bag and just work off that line by line, day by day until its gone.

So true, nice to hear you are managing. Iam on really good quality heroin right now,
to 5 weeks. They taper heroin addiction with buprenorphine the first week, but my main goal it to be 100% opiate/opiod free again, like i just was for almost 3 years. If i fail again i will concider the buprenorphine program we have.

I've able to maintain a habit at a bag a day. As someone else mentioned, if you're sick you'd be surprised at how little will get you well - especially if thats all you're smoking over a 24hr period. I mean I could literally smoke a line at 11am and that'd shake the sweats/chills and nausea until evening.

About tapering - extremely difficult but not impossible. I recently just cut my habit down to €140 p/w to €40 and jumped off 4 days ago. Some sweats/chills, backache, anxiety and a little nausea but nothing major. I put that down to the fact that the last two €20 bags were *very* low quality dope though. Switching to low quality dope might actually be a viable way of bringing yourself off a habit with minimum w/d's since its so difficult to keep a bag and just work off that line by line, day by day until its gone.

So true, nice to hear you are managing. Iam on really good quality heroin right now, so gd that i have been surprised for several days about how gd it works despite my high tolerance and it havent made it easier to use less But i totally agree with u on the lesser quality, its what i need next because i wanna be on low dose or pure quality alteast for 1 week before i enter detox to make it less painful for myself.

 

[0.o_LaCuNa_o.0]

In my country, the dope isn’t heavily cut - it’s real good.

I smoke it and consider myself able to live off of microdosing it.

The way I was doing it, a 1 gram baggy would last me a week. Keep in mind it’s not actually a full gram(never weighed it), probably .7

 

[Jabberwocky]

The way I was doing it, a 1 gram baggy would last me a week. Keep in mind it’s not actually a full gram(never weighed it), probably .7

sounds about right for highly pure heroin

lucky

 

[endlessnameless]

So true, nice to hear you are managing. Iam on really good quality heroin right now, so gd that i have been surprised for several days about how gd it works despite my high tolerance and it havent made it easier to use less But i totally agree with u on the lesser quality, its what i need next because i wanna be on low dose or pure quality alteast for 1 week before i enter detox to make it less painful for myself.

Thanks brother. Its still a bitch dont get me wrong, but not as bad as I thought it would be. At the very latest I'd say this day next week I should be in the clear (ie sleeping properly, motivation etc). Also, I had a good amount of clean time before this six month stint so I'm hoping that'll work in my favor. Once I get through these withdrawals this is it for me. If I fuck up before the withdrawals cease then I'm coming clean to my mother and I'm taking myself off to rehab because I can't afford to waste any more of my life with this horrible cycle of insanity.

Best of luck with your detox and recovery @Kennethjalla83, looks like you have a firm plan in place - hope you'll keep us updated on how you get on.