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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

user666 said:
Yes, the enantiomer ratio would not cause this.
This contrast between the interaction with 2C-B something very significant ...yet ignored by the proponents of the set & setting, tolerance theory.
Also, didn't you mean 5-HT-2A ?
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Thank you for noticing my typo. Fixed it now!

I think it's in this tread somewhere, but once after some MehDMA I snorted (not in one go) about 50 mg 2C-B. Eventually I got some visual cartoonish effects, but none of the normal effects.

I've repeated the experience (tough with less absurd amounts of 2C-B) with at least 2 other batches of MDMA with the same inhibitory effects on 2C-B and I think LSD or AL-LAD.

With my present Long Covid and related arrhythmia, I'm hesitant to sample my latest 3-4 purchases of both crystal, FortNight and Pop Smoke presses, though my heart is thoroughly examined without any remarks.

While I'm very intrigued by a report of MDMA and psilocybin curing a persons Long Covid. (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ccr3.8791)

So may give it a try together with some propanolol and Mg2+, as a flood of serotonin can be anti inflammatory for brain neurons.
 
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Peopls response. I must tell you that the newest “MAPS” mdma is in the top tier of any of ever had since the 90’s. Exemplary

Is it a recrystallized batch I did?

The original maps make is gone. But I've had some recrystallized batches I called maps equivalent so I'm confused

Yessir!
 
We should start working on recrystallization techniques and column chromotography for newbe people if that is allowable here
 
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HighGayGuy said:
I'm an oldkool raver and took Ecstasy and speed in the early 90s and into 2000, and there is no comparison with the 90s and the 2000>
No recreational drugs today are the same as they were 20-30 years ago. Particularly Ecstasy and amphetamines.
I always suspected that the one thing that changed it all was the birth of the "Legal High/Research Chemical industry.
The use and application of the many hundreds of research chemicals has destroyed the oldskool illegal drugs market. Most if not all illegal oldskool classic type drugs today are mixed with the legal high/research chemicals. Amphetamine is the classic example. It simply does not exist anymore. It is simply research chemicals mixed with tiny amounts of real amphetamine to give it the smell of amphetamine. Utter garbage.
I'm now middle aged and no longer participate in such activities, but I strongly believe that the research chemical boom changed everything permanently, even after the governments banned the sale of them. They are all now just incorporated into all the other drugs.
Drug abuse has always been dangerous and risky, but so much more risky today. Todays drug takers will never realise because they don't know any different.
Stay safe guys.
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THIS!!! and the change over to p2p!
 
Didgital said:
If you followed this thread, youd know i work at an analytical laboratory, have tested dozens if not hundreds of MDMA samples over the past few years and i post results. im one of the few who has posted any data and not just subjective reports (i saw this happen, my friend told me so and so. If i ignore those reports its not that i dont put stock into them, however without hard data they only fuel further speculation.

In my 2 years at the lab, the lowest purity sample i saw was 95% with the vast majority over 98%.

MDMA is not a difficult thing to make nor purify even for a pretty newb chemist.

In other news i just scooped agilent 6520A quadropole time of flight mass spectrometer im hooking up to my HPLC. As well as a polarimeter that can differentiate between the isomers. So... i am very well equipped.
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The topic is very interesting, but the thread became filled with garbage responses with all the effort outsourced to LLMs.

Thank you for providing proper input about the purity of MDMA samples. I wonder what the remaining 5% is. Perhaps some aluminum complex. I saw the explanation saying that enantiomer ratio changed, which is obviously false, since reductive amination always yields a racemic product. Separating enantiomers isn't done, because consumers expect the racemate.

I disagree that MDMA is easy to make for a newb chemist, since access to MDP2P (or even safrole) is severely restricted these days.
 
Jaysoul said:
THIS!!! and the change over to p2p!
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P2P is not involved in the manufacture of MDMA. Were you referring to meth here & comparing pseudo/ephedrine meth to p2p? The precursor doesn't matter; it's all in the skill & experience of the chemist. The target compound is the target compound regardless. It also matters that they have an understanding of the reactions they use and how modifying certain parameters will control critical aspects of said reactions. If a chemist starts with benzaldehyde and works that through to p-2-p, then reduces that to n-methyl-amphetamine followed by resolution of the isomers until 95+% pure d-methamphetamine is achieved, this will be the same product for all intents and purposes as the chemist who extracts pseudoephedrine from cold medicine and reduces it with anhydrous ammonia and lithium then cleans the results up thoroughly until 95+% purity is attained as well…

Similarly, it doesn't matter if the chemist starts from Safrole or PMK (MDP-2-P)… if they're skilled at what they're doing and care about making good MDMA.HCl (which is almost always better for business), they'll deliver the real deal Holyfield. What I'm saying is: not all clandestine chemists are equally skilled, and the range goes from highly skilled chemical engineers down to almost completely inept "cooks" following a sus "recipe" they don't understand and can't explain beyond what functional movements must be made. Without oversight in production, I don't see why so many ppl think this is some identifiable "problem", which it isn't really. The problem if you're getting MDMmeh (and all other personal causes are ruled out) is: your source. Get better plugs and find that real MDMA, bc it's out there… You just gotta poke around…
 
Anecdotally, the magic disappears after first 20 times. Taking a break from all drugs that have a cross tolerance with MDMA for a year brings back the intensity, although it doesn't go back to the original level. Persistent tolerance explains MehDMA. There's an argument against persistent tolerance that mentions that people who were recently introduced to MDMA don't experience the magic doesn't disprove it. It only shows that some start with a high tolerance, which still only goes up.

I've heard the same argument about methamphetamine. It's less frequent, since the redose profile is better, and reset duration is shorter. It's hard to get proper data about purity and potency (enantiomer ratio), but some papers show that both are 95+%.
 
cleft said:
Anecdotally, the magic disappears after first 20 times. Taking a break from all drugs that have a cross tolerance with MDMA for a year brings back the intensity, although it doesn't go back to the original level. Persistent tolerance explains MehDMA. There's an argument against persistent tolerance that mentions that people who were recently introduced to MDMA don't experience the magic doesn't disprove it. It only shows that some start with a high tolerance, which still only goes up.

I've heard the same argument about methamphetamine. It's less frequent, since the redose profile is better, and reset duration is shorter. It's hard to get proper data about purity and potency (enantiomer ratio), but some papers show that both are 95+%.
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Anecdotally is crap because I've done MDMA over 20 times and there IS A DIFFERENCE between 95% and 99%

The double recrystallized MDMA brings back magic. And the brown or whatever color stuff is garbage

All my friends specifically come to me for recrystallized MDMA and I have given them the un recrystallized and recrystallized

100% so far they like the ultra ultra pure over 90-95% that's been tested Sooo

And I'm not talking like 1-2 people I'm talking like 15-20 people and yes these people have done it WELL OVER 20 TIMES. probably closer 50-100 for each person

Maps specifically use ultra pure compounds and have said minor impurities have effected their studies
 
vash445 said:
Anecdotally is crap because I've done MDMA over 20 times and there IS A DIFFERENCE between 95% and 99%

The double recrystallized MDMA brings back magic. And the brown or whatever color stuff is garbage

All my friends specifically come to me for recrystallized MDMA and I have given them the un recrystallized and recrystallized

100% so far they like the ultra ultra pure over 90-95% that's been tested Sooo

And I'm not talking like 1-2 people I'm talking like 15-20 people and yes these people have done it WELL OVER 20 TIMES. probably closer 50-100 for each person

Maps specifically use ultra pure compounds and have said minor impurities have effected their studies
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I agree that there is a difference between 95% and 99%.
What exactly do you mean by bring back magic? Double recrystalized MDMA holds the magic if taken weekly for 6 months? Or tolerance builds up in a similar fashion?
MAPS only had 99.6% MDMA that Nichols produced. They didn't control for purity.
 
cleft said:
I agree that there is a difference between 95% and 99%.
What exactly do you mean by bring back magic? Double recrystalized MDMA holds the magic if taken weekly for 6 months? Or tolerance builds up in a similar fashion?
MAPS only had 99.6% MDMA that Nichols produced. They didn't control for purity.
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Low quality no magic

High purity magic came back

Of course repeated abuse loses magic

But I can 3x dip back to on double recrystallized just fine me and others I can't on Dutch dirt.

Also maps have had multiple batches. And multiple different SYNETHEIS routes.
 
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Well you’re doing much at the synth because I did share approx 80-90 mgs with a very respected chemist in his field. He is a big fan of making crystals of all kinds. Not just psychoactive stuff. And he said the same, that this was one of the top 5 best mdma experiences of his life. Well done

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vash445 said:
The double recrystallized MDMA brings back magic. And the brown or whatever color stuff is garbage
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The best roll I've had in the last 10 years was provided by a brownish batch of large crystals that smelled strongly of sassafras. I intentionally bought it over buying more of the very good MDMA crystals the person was selling to me because I requested MDA if available which he was more than willing to provide. I'm 99% sure his source was someone on the darknet markets because that's where most everything else he offered came from (excluding LSD or so he said).

For what it's worth I've seen a lot of different batches of both MDA and MDMA over the years. One in particular was purple-ish and it was as good as the bag I've been dipping into over the past decade or so.

I know it isn't a popular opinion in this thread but all of the people I personally know that complain about MDMA not being good anymore are the same ones that abused it heavily in the past and now feel almost nothing from it. Naive users and long time users like me that don't partake often still get the full experience from the same batches those people claim are not strong. I had some tablets at one point that were very good. I gave one to a friend who called many weeks later ranting about how I'd been ripped off and he felt nothing. Same tablet was so strong for me that I was cursing myself for not breaking it in half the last time I took one. Since I did it in a public place and it was obvious to everyone around that I was on something.

Now I know there are probably some bad batches floating around and it's true other drugs like opioids have become very horrible over the past decade (good luck finding real heroin or oxymorphone anywhere these days). But for me personally in the last 10-15 years access to things like good MDMA and LSD has become much easier compared to when I was in high school and college. Even back then I knew people slightly older than me that got to live through the drug fueled 80s-90s complaining that MDMA and cocaine weren't as good as they used to be. Or complaining how it was impossible to find LSD anymore and the LSD that was around was very weak. With the rise of the internet these chemicals became far easier to acquire in the middle of nowhere, USA than before and excluding opioids the quality of most everything here has improved greatly compared to 20 years ago. I can't even remember the last time I saw weed with seeds in it now.

One thing I've noticed with a lot of people that have used MDMA long term is their body straight rejecting it. I had a friend that couldn't take it anymore. He'd throw it back up within a half hour as soon as first alerts came. It's the same reaction my body developed to rum after I suffered alcohol poisoning that one time.

My greater point is you can't discount people simply losing some or all of the magic over the years. I'm like this with opioids now. It doesn't matter how much real oxy/hydrocodone or morphine I attempt to take. The fun euphoric zone between feeling mild effects and full blown overdose is almost completely gone for me now. If I'm really luck and the stars align I can sometimes still enter nodville. But most of the time the experience is underwhelming or I'm so sedated that I drift off to sleep and waste the substance. It's like that even if I take long breaks and use the same batch multiple times. The receptors in my brain are simply fried at this point.
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
The best roll I've had in the last 10 years was provided by a brownish batch of large crystals that smelled strongly of sassafras. I intentionally bought it over buying more of the very good MDMA crystals the person was selling to me because I requested MDA if available which he was more than willing to provide. I'm 99% sure his source was someone on the darknet markets because that's where most everything else he offered came from (excluding LSD or so he said).

For what it's worth I've seen a lot of different batches of both MDA and MDMA over the years. One in particular was purple-ish and it was as good as the bag I've been dipping into over the past decade or so.

I know it isn't a popular opinion in this thread but all of the people I personally know that complain about MDMA not being good anymore are the same ones that abused it heavily in the past and now feel almost nothing from it. Naive users and long time users like me that don't partake often still get the full experience from the same batches those people claim are not strong. I had some tablets at one point that were very good. I gave one to a friend who called many weeks later ranting about how I'd been ripped off and he felt nothing. Same tablet was so strong for me that I was cursing myself for not breaking it in half the last time I took one. Since I did it in a public place and it was obvious to everyone around that I was on something.

Now I know there are probably some bad batches floating around and it's true other drugs like opioids have become very horrible over the past decade (good luck finding real heroin or oxymorphone anywhere these days). But for me personally in the last 10-15 years access to things like good MDMA and LSD has become much easier compared to when I was in high school and college. Even back then I knew people slightly older than me that got to live through the drug fueled 80s-90s complaining that MDMA and cocaine weren't as good as they used to be. Or complaining how it was impossible to find LSD anymore and the LSD that was around was very weak. With the rise of the internet these chemicals became far easier to acquire in the middle of nowhere, USA than before and excluding opioids the quality of most everything here has improved greatly compared to 20 years ago. I can't even remember the last time I saw weed with seeds in it now.

One thing I've noticed with a lot of people that have used MDMA long term is their body straight rejecting it. I had a friend that couldn't take it anymore. He'd throw it back up within a half hour as soon as first alerts came. It's the same reaction my body developed to rum after I suffered alcohol poisoning that one time.

My greater point is you can't discount people simply losing some or all of the magic over the years. I'm like this with opioids now. It doesn't matter how much real oxy/hydrocodone or morphine I attempt to take. The fun euphoric zone between feeling mild effects and full blown overdose is almost completely gone for me now. If I'm really luck and the stars align I can sometimes still enter nodville. But most of the time the experience is underwhelming or I'm so sedated that I drift off to sleep and waste the substance. It's like that even if I take long breaks and use the same batch multiple times. The receptors in my brain are simply fried at this point.
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And I had given someone NMR confirmed safrole

Who had a more equipped lab then me and taking 300mg+ and fiending for more kinda lead me here so

Safrole SYNETHEIS doesn't mean anything

Heck I can still get safrole from a few sources along with nitroethane if you know where to look in the USA
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
I know it isn't a popular opinion in this thread but all of the people I personally know that complain about MDMA not being good anymore are the same ones that abused it heavily in the past and now feel almost nothing from it. Naive users and long time users like me that don't partake often still get the full experience from the same batches those people claim are not strong. I had some tablets at one point that were very good. I gave one to a friend who called many weeks later ranting about how I'd been ripped off and he felt nothing. Same tablet was so strong for me that I was cursing myself for not breaking it in half the last time I took one. Since I did it in a public place and it was obvious to everyone around that I was on something.

One thing I've noticed with a lot of people that have used MDMA long term is their body straight rejecting it. I had a friend that couldn't take it anymore. He'd throw it back up within a half hour as soon as first alerts came. It's the same reaction my body developed to rum after I suffered alcohol poisoning that one time.
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That's what I've observed as well, but MDMA tolerance builds up faster, and lasts longer than other drugs, e.g. cocaine. It's much easier to heavily abuse. Weekly usage can cause memory impairment, while amphetamine is taken daily by many with no side effects close in severity. Like your friend, I also got nausea that often lead to vomiting an hour after eating MDMA. I've heard from many that MDMA became a yearly ritual for them, and I didn't understand it. After experiencing bad side effects after habitual use, I finally get it. Those creeping side effects could be from the impurities, but it's more likely that it's from MDMA itself.
 
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