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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

Funny that (R) 7,α DMT (R) 7-methyl AMT) fully substitutes for MDA but doesn't appear to be explicitly controlled.

There will always be a way and what concerns me is that producers will be reduced to misrepresenting the product.

In the city where I grew up there was a cluster of deaths due to a batch of what was represented as MDMA. It was in fact a mixture of p-TAP and amphetamine. I PRESUME because some idiot thought they had found a cheap way to 'estimate' MDMA.
 
There will ALWAYS be a next precursor, sad to say.

L-PAC is the obvious one for meth and there are some odd holes in the laws surrounding ring-substituted amphetamines, Some loopholes.
Propylhexedrine, sold under the brand name Benzedrex among others, is an alkylamine is one just off the top of my head without really thinking about it

Removing the benzene ring. This transforms methamphetamine's phenyl ring to a cyclohexyl moiety ie the propylhexedrine ring etc etc
 
Propylhexedrine, sold under the brand name Benzedrex among others, is an alkylamine is one just off the top of my head without really thinking about it

Removing the benzene ring. And subbing a propylhexedrine ring etc etc

Well quite. Thiophene ring analogue was an RC. Not a good one nor a safe one, but legal at the time. If you outlaw the compounds we have data on, people will start guessing and sooner or later bad things will happen.
 
I took some a few months ago and I think it was pretty good. I was drinking at the time but I did get the fish bowl effect with my vision and it made my pupils go to max.

I stupidly took cocaine on it and it has zero effect ( which apparently is correct) since mdma will override coke.
 
I took some a few months ago and I think it was pretty good. I was drinking at the time but I did get the fish bowl effect with my vision and it made my pupils go to max.

I stupidly took cocaine on it and it has zero effect ( which apparently is correct) since mdma will override coke.
Personally, the times I've done cocaine whilst on MDMA just took me out of my roll and into a coke high for about 30 min before picking back up with the roll, but weaker. In my opinion, coke and alcohol are both bully drugs that will take over from whatever else you might be doing. YMMV.
 
Personally, the times I've done cocaine whilst on MDMA just took me out of my roll and into a coke high for about 30 min before picking back up with the roll, but weaker. In my opinion, coke and alcohol are both bully drugs that will take over from whatever else you might be doing. YMMV.
I'm pretty sure NHTSA or similar has done a study ...
The study was conducted in accordance with the Declaration of Helsinki, approved by the local Institutional Review Board (Comité Ètic d’Investigació Clı́nica -Institut Municipal d’Assistència Sanitària), and authorized by the Dirección General de Farmacia y Productos Sanitarios (98/112) of the Spanish Ministry of Health. All volunteers gave the written informed consent before to inclusion in the study and were paid for their participation.



3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) is frequently consumed in association with alcohol. The effect of this combination in humans has not been previously investigated. Nine male healthy volunteers received single oral doses of 100 mg of MDMA plus 0.8 g/kg ethanol, 100 mg of MDMA, 0.8 g/kg of ethanol, and placebo in a double blind, double dummy, randomized crossover trial. Measurements included psychomotor performance, subjective effects, and pharmacokinetics. Plasma concentrations of MDMA showed a 13% increase after the use of alcohol, whereas plasma concentrations of alcohol showed a 9 to 15% decrease after MDMA administration. The MDMA-alcohol combination induced longer lasting euphoria and well being than MDMA or alcohol alone. MDMA reversed the subjective sedation induced by alcohol but did not reduce drunkenness feelings. MDMA did not reverse the actions of alcohol on psychomotor abilities. Combined use of MDMA and alcohol causes dissociation between subjective and objective sedation. Subjects may feel euphoric and less sedated and might have the feeling of doing better, but actual performance ability continues to be impaired by the effect of alcohol. Confirmation of these findings in further studies will be highly relevant in terms of road safety.
To our knowledge, results of this study provide the first information in humans about the pharmacodynamics (psychomotor performance and subjective effects) and pharmacokinetics of MDMA and alcohol interactions. The administration of 100 mg of MDMA, a dose in the range of doses used recreationally (Gamella et al., 1997), produced subjective effects similar to own observations in a previous study in which 75 and 125 mg were used (Camı́ et al., 2000a). Similar feelings of euphoria, stimulation,

Our previous studies consistently showed that MDMA-induced locomotor hyperactivity is dramatically increased by coadministration of ethanol (EtOH) in rats, indicating possible potentiation of MDMA abuse liability. Thus, we aimed to identify the brain region(s) and neuropharmacological substrates involved in the pharmacodynamics of this potentiation.

We first showed that potentiation of locomotor activity by the combination of ip administration of EtOH (1.5 g/kg) and MDMA (6.6 mg/kg) is delay sensitive and maximal when both drugs are injected simultaneously. Then, we used the 2-deoxyglucose quantitative autoradiography technique to assess the impact of EtOH, MDMA, or their combination on local cerebral metabolic rates for glucose (CMRglcs). We showed a specific metabolic activation in the ventral striatum (VS) under MDMA + EtOH versus MDMA or EtOH alone. We next tested if reversible (tetrodotoxin, TTX) or permanent (6-hydrodoxyopamine, 6-OHDA) lesion of the VS could affect locomotor response to MDMA and MDMA + EtOH. Finally, we blocked dopamine D1 or glutamate NMDA receptors in the VS and measured the effects of MDMA and MDMA + EtOH on locomotor activity. We showed that bilateral reversible inactivation (TTX) or permanent lesion (6-OHDA) of the VS prevented the potentiation by EtOH of MDMA-induced locomotor hyperactivity. Likewise, blockade of D1 or NMDA receptors in the VS also reduced the potentiation of MDMA locomotor activity by EtOH. These data indicate that dopamine D1 and glutamate NMDA receptor-driven mechanisms in the VS play a key role in the pharmacodynamics of EtOH-induced potentiation of the locomotor effects of MDMA.


 
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So what does mixing cocaine and ecstacy feel like? Mixing Cocaine and ecstacy, a user would hope to feel increased euphoric effects of both drugs. However, ecstasy’s effects tend to override cocaine’s effects, once it has kicked in. Many poly drug users report that taking both drugs together is a waste of time and a waste of drugs.

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So what does mixing cocaine and ecstacy feel like? Mixing Cocaine and ecstacy, a user would hope to feel increased euphoric effects of both drugs. However, ecstasy’s effects tend to override cocaine’s effects, once it has kicked in. Many poly drug users report that taking both drugs together is a waste of time and a waste of drugs.

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Maybe if you did the cocaine first and then transitioned to MDMA, then yes, probably the MDMA would take over due to the fact that cocaine has a shorter duration of activity. However, I've made the mistake of doing coke mid-roll. In that scenario, the cocaine takes over the high, at least for yours truly and for several of my friends. We all ended up regretting not waiting until later to do the cocaine. And this makes sense if you think about it – cocaine acts as a triple monoamine reuptake inhibitor. And as we all know, one cannot roll while one is experiencing serotonin reuptake inhibition bc it prevents the drug from traveling up the serotonin transporter so it can have its effect on the pre-synaptic storage of serotonin. Best bet is to use the MDMA and four hours later use the cocaine during the comedown
 
Poly drug use should be in a thread of its own.
What is relevant here is the different effect of meh-MDMA taken with some drug (which I don't remember now) compared to the effect of the same drug with magic MDMA.
 
Poly drug use should be in a thread of its own.
What is relevant here is the different effect of meh-MDMA taken with some drug (which I don't remember now) compared to the effect of the same drug with magic MDMA.
Ok sorry
 
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