What is the 'magic' of MDMA exactly?

[lazuri]

I ask because I've generally been disappointed with the effects of mdma, and can't really seem to get this 'magic' feeling that everyone goes
on about. Is it a lovey-dovey, emotional feeling or is it actually a physical rush? Or some of both perhaps? I wondered if one problem for me
might be that I took mephedrone before I took MDMA. The first time i took mephedrone, i experienced an amazing rush, it felt like a sparkly,
euphoric sensation going from my chest through to the end of each limb. Alot more pronounced than the body rush from mdma, which just
feels like a fuzzy, warm sensation. Anyway i've been trying to recapture that feeling that I got from mephedrone by trying out different drugs, just wondered if anyone here had any advice for a drug that has a similar rush to the effect i was describing? Thanks.

 

[humblegro]

I would make sure you have mdma. After that try to determine the dosage. I would shoot for 125mg or maybe 2 medium strength pills. When you rolling your words are very hypnotic and romantic. You are floating mentally, it is much more enjoyable than 4mmc for most people. I don't think your drone use much effected the mdma experience. I suggest you try to dose more accurately. I am sure these BL'ers know alot more than I and I will be amazed by the input.

 

[nolys]

You either a. Don't have real mdma, B.aren't taking enough mdma or c. Just plain don't like mdma (least likely)

Real mdma should feel like that mephedrone feeling you described but less stimulating, more free flowing, less edgy, like your floating on a cloud, everything feels amazing to touch, everything is right with the world, emotional barriers are broken down, feeling love for everything and everyone around you and feeling connected to everyone else.
A good way to describe mdma is like someone has wrapped you in a warm blanket of love and energy with a desire to move and dance and talk until you can't talk anymore...
The magic of mdma is just the combination of all that which makes you feel just undescribably amazing, I'm actually finding it hard to describe accurately.
Cross toleration from mephedrone may be a factor here as you said, I know that once I stopped taking meph and went back to mdma, it wasn't the same, still more enjoyable than the drone but not as good as it used to be.

But yeah get your shit tested or try a different source. Use Pillreports.com or get a marquis testing kit to make sure you got the real deal.
The first time you take mdma should be one of the best nights of your life
Hope this helps in some way or another

Edit - everyone I have ever known to take mdma for the first time have said the exact same 6 words - oh my god, this is amazing!! If you don't feel like that you probablly don't have mdma.
Can you describe what your pills/molly feel like a bit more? Duration of trip, onset, energetic?, eye twitching? Any comedown? How much did you take? Did your jaw clench at all? Did you want to move or sit still? Did everything feel more intense?

 

[Utahrd]

6 hours of orgasm might not be magical, but it's sure as hell fun

 

[Thou]

Maybe you just don't respond favorably to this compound.

I'm by no means recommending you do this, but if I were in your position I would try an analog like 5/6 APB to compare and contrast.

For future experiments, I'd arm myself with a regent testing kit of some sort. Dancesafe offers them at a reasonable price and if you're purchasing chemicals from the black market it's in the best interest of your personal health to test them.

Be safe.

 

[lazuri]

You either a. Don't have real mdma, B.aren't taking enough mdma or c. Just plain don't like mdma (least likely)

Real mdma should feel like that mephedrone feeling you described but less stimulating, more free flowing, less edgy, like your floating on a cloud, everything feels amazing to touch, everything is right with the world, emotional barriers are broken down, feeling love for everything and everyone around you and feeling connected to everyone else.
A good way to describe mdma is like someone has wrapped you in a warm blanket of love and energy with a desire to move and dance and talk until you can't talk anymore...
The magic of mdma is just the combination of all that which makes you feel just undescribably amazing, I'm actually finding it hard to describe accurately.
Cross toleration from mephedrone may be a factor here as you said, I know that once I stopped taking meph and went back to mdma, it wasn't the same, still more enjoyable than the drone but not as good as it used to be.

But yeah get your shit tested or try a different source. Use Pillreports.com or get a marquis testing kit to make sure you got the real deal.
The first time you take mdma should be one of the best nights of your life
Hope this helps in some way or another

Edit - everyone I have ever known to take mdma for the first time have said the exact same 6 words - oh my god, this is amazing!! If you don't feel like that you probablly don't have mdma.
Can you describe what your pills/molly feel like a bit more? Duration of trip, onset, energetic?, eye twitching? Any comedown? How much did you take? Did your jaw clench at all? Did you want to move or sit still? Did everything feel more intense?

Thanks for the post, will do my best to describe.. First of all, I can assure you I have taken good MDMA before, I have had it around 15 times from many different dealers, recommended by people who take MDMA regularly . Maybe once or twice I have had a loved up feeling, but never the feeling that everything is amazing to touch, or a particularly euphoric body rush... Feels more like a warm feeling going through my body. Lasts severals hours i guess, i get jaw clenching and eye twitching if i take enough... Most of the time i take in on my own at home, this probably sounds rubbish to most people but i'm not one for going out and partying, i prefer to just stay in and socialise. I enjoy my own company more than anything else too. I normally take about 250mg, but have taken as much as 500mg before. I am generally happy to sit still, and just go on the internet / do normal stuff when im on MDMA.
I wondered if part of the reason i have been disappointed by it is the amount of hype people put around it, whereas with mephedrone people were less positive about it.. when i first took mephedrone, i felt a huge dopamine rush - like i was on top of the world and could do anything, the buzz was different to mdma, instead of a warm feeling in limbs , felt like sparkly waves of euphoria rushing down each limb, like all my nerves were being lit up.

Anyway i hope that's a good description for you, really appreciate the help on this one.... if i don't like mdma then that's the way it is. Would be more interested in recreating the feeling from drone, but i really don't like the idea of taking that regularly, plus i can't get hold of it anymore.

 

[lazuri]

Maybe you just don't respond favorably to this compound.

I'm by no means recommending you do this, but if I were in your position I would try an analog like 5/6 APB to compare and contrast.

For future experiments, I'd arm myself with a regent testing kit of some sort. Dancesafe offers them at a reasonable price and if you're purchasing chemicals from the black market it's in the best interest of your personal health to test them.

Be safe.

thanks for the advice, i will try it out... i wouldn't say i don't enjoy mdma, i just find it disappointing. Btw, is this apb stuff hallucinogenic? Because i really dont like hallucinating very much. I normally react badly to it, have a weak tolerance ( i can easily trip off weed), and have schizophrenia and bi polar running in my family.

 

[ProxxyLynx]

I'm sure the "Magic" is different for everybody.
I have felt what I would consider the "Magic" of MDxx maybe 3 times, the rest were just generic rolling (euphoria, slight ego loss, sensory sensitivity, etc.)
The first time the magic really hit for me was my 4th or 5th time rolling.
I was at an all night EDM rave.
I popped a mint (I don't think I've ever had a bad night with a mint) and felt the regular coming up anxiety.
It came on extremely fast (around 30-45 after popping), it was literally going from almost nothing to a full on hit in the face.
Instant euphoria rolled from my head to my toes, literally could not stop smiling, felt like I was part of the music.
Complete ego loss, didn't feel even a twinge of insecurity or social paranoia.
I could have been ass naked and I wouldn't have cared.
Every conversation I had was like talking to a lifelong friend.
Touching and feeling was extremely intense.
I remember thinking that how I was then was how everyone should feel from the moment there born to the second they die.
There was a boost of energy through out the roll that would not let me stop dancing, but I didn't feel tweaked out or like I was on amp.

The "Magic" for me is when your on a roll so good and clean it's almost like jumping into a whole new world.
An amazing place where everything is just right, everyone is on the same wavelength, just there for the pleasure.
I don't know how else to describe it.

 

[lazuri]

I'm sure the "Magic" is different for everybody.
I have felt what I would consider the "Magic" of MDxx maybe 3 times, the rest were just generic rolling (euphoria, slight ego loss, sensory sensitivity, etc.)
The first time the magic really hit for me was my 4th or 5th time rolling.
I was at an all night EDM rave.
I popped a mint (I don't think I've ever had a bad night with a mint) and felt the regular coming up anxiety.
It came on extremely fast (around 30-45 after popping), it was literally going from almost nothing to a full on hit in the face.
Instant euphoria rolled from my head to my toes, literally could not stop smiling, felt like I was part of the music.
Complete ego loss, didn't feel even a twinge of insecurity or social paranoia.
I could have been ass naked and I wouldn't have cared.
Every conversation I had was like talking to a lifelong friend.
Touching and feeling was extremely intense.
I remember thinking that how I was then was how everyone should feel from the moment there born to the second they die.
There was a boost of energy through out the roll that would not let me stop dancing, but I didn't feel tweaked out or like I was on amp.

The "Magic" for me is when your on a roll so good and clean it's almost like jumping into a whole new world.
An amazing place where everything is just right, everyone is on the same wavelength, just there for the pleasure.
I don't know how else to describe it.

Really good description, thanks. This is exactly what i was expecting to feel, though you are more describing my experience on mephedrone, although more of a confident, on top of the world feeling. Not loved up.

 

[Heh?!]

Thanks for the post, will do my best to describe.. First of all, I can assure you I have taken good MDMA before, I have had it around 15 times from many different dealers, recommended by people who take MDMA regularly . Maybe once or twice I have had a loved up feeling, but never the feeling that everything is amazing to touch, or a particularly euphoric body rush... Feels more like a warm feeling going through my body. Lasts severals hours i guess, i get jaw clenching and eye twitching if i take enough... Most of the time i take in on my own at home, this probably sounds rubbish to most people but i'm not one for going out and partying, i prefer to just stay in and socialise. I enjoy my own company more than anything else too. I normally take about 250mg, but have taken as much as 500mg before. I am generally happy to sit still, and just go on the internet / do normal stuff when im on MDMA.
I wondered if part of the reason i have been disappointed by it is the amount of hype people put around it, whereas with mephedrone people were less positive about it.. when i first took mephedrone, i felt a huge dopamine rush - like i was on top of the world and could do anything, the buzz was different to mdma, instead of a warm feeling in limbs , felt like sparkly waves of euphoria rushing down each limb, like all my nerves were being lit up.

Anyway i hope that's a good description for you, really appreciate the help on this one.... if i don't like mdma then that's the way it is. Would be more interested in recreating the feeling from drone, but i really don't like the idea of taking that regularly, plus i can't get hold of it anymore.

It takes some effort on your own part IMO. I don't think I would roll very well just sitting in front of a computer. I want lights, music, massages, conversations. And more lights.

 

[First Bad Comedown]

Lazuri,

Nobody has given you the most obvious answer yet.
So here it is:

Your use of mephedrone AND MDMA has prevented the 'magic'.
There is plenty of research that suggests that MDMA users can lose the 'magic' and stay that way, even after 2.5 years of abstinence.
Other lines of research suggest at least a 3 year depletion in central dopamine function.

There are no good studies that follow former users beyond 3 years of abstinence, in part due to the very complex nature of such studies.
There exist anecdotal reports on BL that suggest even 4 years abstinence does not restore 'magic'.
I read one report long ago that indicated this much, and the person claimed that after 7 years the 'magic' returned.

MDMA has been widely researched, but mephedrone has not.
It is still quite possible that the two have a cross-tolerance issue.
Many stim users, especially meth, cannot roll at all.

MDMA releases massive amounts of serotonin, but it is the DOPAMINE release that causes the 'magic'.
Serotonin actually suppresses dopamine in most of the brain.
It is when serotonin begins to fall that the dopamine is allowed to surge forth.
And since so much serotonin has been released, the dopamine is allowed to realize its full potential in the meso-limbic reward pathway.

The hormonal observation that is seen is this...
Serotonin suppresses dopamine in the hypothalamus.
Once this ends, dopamine release causes the hypothalamus to signal the pituitary to release PROLACTIN and oxytocin.
Prolactin is viewed as the hallmark of 'magic'.
It is typically released during childbirth, breastfeeding, and orgasm.
Prolactin actually increases sensation during orgasm, and then causes it to recede.
In decreases dopamine activity in the nucleus acumbens - but MDMA increases dopamine and prolactin at the same time!

Not only does it coincide with the positive 'social' aspects of MDMA, but a LOSS of prolactin is seen in former MDMA users.
This really is the easiest answer.
The loss of prolactin response to MDMA suggests that you have damaged your serotonin network with Mephedrone and possibly MDMA.
We simply don't know how neurotoxic mephedrone is yet.

A LONG period of abstinence is recommended.
Highly recommended.

Allow me to inform you that there are MUCH worse things in life than 'loss of magic'.
The change in the endocrine system affects all aspects of life, not just the experience of drugs.
By the way, long-term heavy use of cannabis is associated with altered neuroendocrine function and increased psychopathology with MDMA.

Weed is not a harmless drug, when used chronically.
So I would start by eliminating the risk factors.

Schizophrenia in the family is a risk factor, but not a big one.
It occurs in 1% of the population.
If it runs in your immediate family, your risk rises to 10%.

It appears that environmental factors play a BIG role in the development of the disorder.
But chronic cannabis use increases the risk by as much as 6 times!
And psychedelic drugs or stims are just as bad.

Consider yourself warned.
Powerful drugs are not meant to be used regularly.
All drug users eventually start to lose 'magic' in some way or another.
And they realize greater and greater consequences.

You never said how much meph you did.
That is an indication right there.
Good luck.

 

[georgewc2001]

FBC...is it really necessary for you to put up a warning about mdma in EVERY THREAD YOU POST ON? Seriously, just post your own thread with your book there because, and i doubt i'm the only thinking this, but it's getting ridiculous. I'd actually be curious what the hell you do for a living with so much time on your hands to be posting soooooo much except that the topic of your posts seems to be the same, so i'm sure there's some cut and pasting going on...i don't know for certain cause i don't have time to read them all. I'd be surprised if others do either. My suggestion would be to be a little more pithy and perhaps you'll get more deliberate responses. It's a free world, you can do what you want, but damn.

 

[Nottamous]

It takes some effort on your own part IMO. I don't think I would roll very well just sitting in front of a computer. I want lights, music, massages, conversations. And more lights.

There's some truth to this actually. . . While I can certainly enjoy the experience alone just chillin in front of my comp or w/e it's certainly not a really powerful trip. . .

For me it's all wrapped in in the experience. The lights, the massages, the touch of my girl, the music, the feel, the flow. . . it all becomes seamless. It all becomes one long continuous amazing full body orgasm with every fiber of who and what I am ebbing and flowing with the beat illuminated by the pulsating lights and swirling and convalescing in rhythm with my girl until our bodies, minds, and spirits, join together soaring over around and through the clouds.

The truth is NO ONE will every really be able to describe it for you. I have tried many many times to write or describe it to someone and Always no matter how pretty my words it's never quite right. . . it's always shallow and hallow compared to the real experience. They always tell me that I undersold it and it was more amazing than they expected.

In your case I really don't know the answer why you haven't experienced it however I would hazard a few guesses:

1. test test test. I don't mean to sound like a dick but you say you know it was good MDMA but you don't. Unless you or someone you trust tested it you just don't. I cant tell you how many people I know that still swear to me good MDMA has heroine in it. People (in general) are NOT as educated as they may want you to believe. They might tell you it's good MDMA because they THINK it's good MDMA but in reality neither party may have a clue. . . Unless tested PLEASE don't assume anything no matter who tells you. TEST TEST TEST. . .

2. Look into Dosage as well as administration. Full stomach / Empty? Any Medications? Any other substance use? If so when/how much? How was your drug administered? How much? If you really did have pure product 100-200 mg should have done the trick for you. . . seriously.

3. How long since your last roll. . . this is a BIGGIE!!! Take TIME!!! Lot's of time in between. LOTS of people don't respect this advice but it's undeniable true. Try taking a YEAR (yes a YEAR) off from ALL substances while eating a healthy diet and living a healthy life. . . then try it. . . I would BET (obviously I can't garuntee but i'd bet) that you'll notice a DRAMATIC increase in effect.

4. Finally and you may not put any stock in this but I certainly do. . . you set and setting. Music, lights, toys, partners . . . Basically you're looking to be in a certain "mood" prior to rolling so the roll will blow up that mood. . . You want to be happy, fufilled, energetic (I can't think of a better word but not like AMPED but full of life), Ready, Open . . .

IMHO mindset is pretty key. . . if you focus on negative and diminished effects you can will that into reality to an extent. Mind over matter and all that jazz. . . You can THINK and WILL yourself right out of a good roll without even meaning too. You want to relax, open yourself, let loose and ride the wave. . . (I'm not really sure how to put this whole concept in words exactly but this is as close as I can think to come)

If all else fails it's possible First Bad Comedown is correct. Every human is unique and while MDMA is generally considered as relatively safe with responsible usages NO DRUG is entirely safe all the time for everyone. That's just not the way things work. Hell people can even be allergic to water touching their skin!!!

 

[First Bad Comedown]

George...

Your response is actually amusing to me.
Thanks.

'Getting ridiculous'?
I have been posting strong warnings for a solid YEAR on BL.
And you are just noticing?

What do I do for a living?
Are you serious? Sounds like you are grasping for straws.
I have a college degree and I'm successful.
What more do you want to know?

It has been quite a while since my resilient posting was so annoying to someone on BL.
About six months...
Great arguments between me, Chitown Rollin, and Master Splinter.
You should check them out.

My endurance for those arguments was quite strong.
In the end, they got personal and an immature mod named Socalthizzn didn't give a damn.
Socal ended up abandoning his post, probably tired of me.
But Chitown and Master Splinter are pretty cool with me now, and even agreed with me on several important points. This is a pretty clear indication that I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

You see, George, I spent many months researching MDMA after surviving a rather terrible episode of serotonin syndrome. I literally read thousands of abstracts, 30-40 full papers, and several meta-studies. I taught myself an impressive amount of basic MDMA science/neurology.
I also gained immeasurable experience communicating with others on BL.
I have filled my inbox many times over, with grateful MDMA users that were struggling to find help.
Many have thanked me repeatedly and one credited me with saving his life.

There is no copy-and-paste going on here.
I would admit it without a care, anyways.

Reading through my post history will reveal solid evidence of this.
And YES - my function on BL is to issue standard STRONG warnings about MDMA.

It is not the harmless drug that others, such as yourself, portray on this 'harm-reduction' forum.
In fact, the amount of 'harm-reduction' that happens on BL is sometimes pathetic.
Especially in Ecstasy Discussion.

Why am I the only person advocating the NO RE-DOSING rule?
Seriously???

Re-DOSING is the SINGLE most important risk factor.
If this is a harm-reduction forum, why am I the only voice issuing this caution?

I don't walk around telling people not to roll!
Check all of my nearly 400 posts, and you will not find a SINGLE entry that discourages all use.
My purpose on BL is to shed a LITTLE bit of scientific light in a forum populated by drug users in denial.

Seriously - why are other drugs considered harmful or damaging while MDMA is glorified?
The culture surrounding MDMA is DAMNED arrogant, and quite dangerous.
You actually claimed to have problems from SMOKING WEED because of MDMA.

Hello?
Clear evidence of neuro-endocrine alterations.
You even stated that some of the mental changes you experienced could be due to aging...
Hmm. Sounds like denial.

I will concede that my extreme reaction and recovery occur only in a minority of users.
But a perusal of research will reveal that it is NOT as rare as BL or you would have people believe.
MDMA is associated with a greatly increased incidence of psychological problems in our generation.
Too much focus is placed upon death, and not enough on brain alterations.

Yes, I will continue to post a basic and TRUE message of harm-reduction in this forum.
And several mods support me in this endevour.
Why don't you?

 

[Heh?!]

FBC...is it really necessary for you to put up a warning about mdma in EVERY THREAD YOU POST ON? Seriously, just post your own thread with your book there because, and i doubt i'm the only thinking this, but it's getting ridiculous. I'd actually be curious what the hell you do for a living with so much time on your hands to be posting soooooo much except that the topic of your posts seems to be the same, so i'm sure there's some cut and pasting going on...i don't know for certain cause i don't have time to read them all. I'd be surprised if others do either. My suggestion would be to be a little more pithy and perhaps you'll get more deliberate responses. It's a free world, you can do what you want, but damn.

FBC has a lot of great info. He is heavy handed with his message at times, and is aware that myself and some others don't always agree with all of his points. But as he said...there is a lot of arrogance among MDMA users who think it is this completely harmless substance. I've read posts where people actually said "one more pill is like one more bowl". Is his approach heavy handed? Yes. But I do believe he offers a nice counter balance to some of the mentality found on this board. A lot of people do read his entire posts, myself included.

I'm of the opinion that while MDMA is relatively safe with OCCASIONAL use, but there are very few drugs that can send you spiraling downward mentally as fast as MDMA can.

 

[lazuri]

Lazuri,

Nobody has given you the most obvious answer yet.
So here it is:

Your use of mephedrone AND MDMA has prevented the 'magic'.
There is plenty of research that suggests that MDMA users can lose the 'magic' and stay that way, even after 2.5 years of abstinence.
Other lines of research suggest at least a 3 year depletion in central dopamine function.

There are no good studies that follow former users beyond 3 years of abstinence, in part due to the very complex nature of such studies.
There exist anecdotal reports on BL that suggest even 4 years abstinence does not restore 'magic'.
I read one report long ago that indicated this much, and the person claimed that after 7 years the 'magic' returned.

MDMA has been widely researched, but mephedrone has not.
It is still quite possible that the two have a cross-tolerance issue.
Many stim users, especially meth, cannot roll at all.

MDMA releases massive amounts of serotonin, but it is the DOPAMINE release that causes the 'magic'.
Serotonin actually suppresses dopamine in most of the brain.
It is when serotonin begins to fall that the dopamine is allowed to surge forth.
And since so much serotonin has been released, the dopamine is allowed to realize its full potential in the meso-limbic reward pathway.

The hormonal observation that is seen is this...
Serotonin suppresses dopamine in the hypothalamus.
Once this ends, dopamine release causes the hypothalamus to signal the pituitary to release PROLACTIN and oxytocin.
Prolactin is viewed as the hallmark of 'magic'.
It is typically released during childbirth, breastfeeding, and orgasm.
Prolactin actually increases sensation during orgasm, and then causes it to recede.
In decreases dopamine activity in the nucleus acumbens - but MDMA increases dopamine and prolactin at the same time!

Not only does it coincide with the positive 'social' aspects of MDMA, but a LOSS of prolactin is seen in former MDMA users.
This really is the easiest answer.
The loss of prolactin response to MDMA suggests that you have damaged your serotonin network with Mephedrone and possibly MDMA.
We simply don't know how neurotoxic mephedrone is yet.

A LONG period of abstinence is recommended.
Highly recommended.

Allow me to inform you that there are MUCH worse things in life than 'loss of magic'.
The change in the endocrine system affects all aspects of life, not just the experience of drugs.
By the way, long-term heavy use of cannabis is associated with altered neuroendocrine function and increased psychopathology with MDMA.

Weed is not a harmless drug, when used chronically.
So I would start by eliminating the risk factors.

Schizophrenia in the family is a risk factor, but not a big one.
It occurs in 1% of the population.
If it runs in your immediate family, your risk rises to 10%.

It appears that environmental factors play a BIG role in the development of the disorder.
But chronic cannabis use increases the risk by as much as 6 times!
And psychedelic drugs or stims are just as bad.

Consider yourself warned.
Powerful drugs are not meant to be used regularly.
All drug users eventually start to lose 'magic' in some way or another.
And they realize greater and greater consequences.

You never said how much meph you did.
That is an indication right there.
Good luck.

thanks for the post, i did about 1g of meph. My dad's a psychiatric nurse and told me a few years ago my chances increased to about 1/4, i smoked weed regularly from the age of 13-16. The main thing that i found disappointing from mdma tbh is the lack of a proper rush, not the euphoric loved up feeling.

 

[lazuri]

It takes some effort on your own part IMO. I don't think I would roll very well just sitting in front of a computer. I want lights, music, massages, conversations. And more lights.

yeah that's what friends have told me , but even that has its limits... i've taken half a gram before, surely after that i should feel really buzzed up? It felt
quite overwhelming sure, but i still didn't feel the urge to start jumping around/moving alot, i could happily sit there. I'm sure there's a huge part of this i'm not feeling that can't be gained by being in a club. Anyway i bought some 5apb today, think i'll try some variants on mdma to see if they're any different.

 

[georgewc2001]

FBC...i don't even know where to start. First of all, you missed the point entirely. The OP asked about how "the magic" feels. Your response included, surprise, surprise, the dangers of mdma and supposed science behind "the magic" and dangers of losing "the magic," but i didn't hear once your own experience in how "the magic" feels. Perhaps you don't know. I'm sorry to hear you had seratonin syndrome, but this is extremely rare. I'd guess people have had allerigic reactions to asperin, but that doesn't mean we have a need to demonize it and cause hysteria over it. The point, IMO, is you are clogging up threads with information that is not necessarily pertinant to the questions being asked. This is inconsiderate and you're hiding behind the gise of "harm reduction" is just a way to mask your selfish endeavor to push your agenda. There is a place for it, but every place is not the place for it.

Mods...I'm surprised you haven't picked up on this if FBC has been doing this for almost a year now. FBC, I haven't picked up on it because i was rarely on here this year prior to October. I was honest in what i said about my taking long breaks from mdma, and when i'm on break, i'm on BL much less. I'll be breaking again after the new year, so you'll have free reign again if the mods don't step up.

Now, on your whole re-dosing plight. First of all, in order for me to discredit the necessity of your extreme warning on this, I have to site my own account of 15 years of mdma use, so don't start crying about "dick-sizing." I know my dick is bigger than yours. I have redosed every single time I've rolled since the second time I took ecstasy. Furthermore, I have redosed multiple times in a night. I have rolled for days in a row. In my lifetime, i've taken thousands of hits of mdma. I have taken ecstasy with almost every other drug you could think of. And, i know MANY other people like myself. The point is, if mdma is soooooooo harmful and sooooooo dangerous, why am I fine?

Surely, if mdma had the propensity to cause MEANINGFUL damage, I'd be suffering from it. I am not. You want to continuously cry brain damage, but i'm sure that even alcohol can kill brain cells...this is a form of brain damage. The point is that many things can cause brain damage, but is the damage meaningful? Does is have any long term consequences? I am living proof that mdma can be abused and done in huge quantiites, INCLUDING REDOSING, without meaningful long term damage. You can site all the science reports you want, but there is no substitute for experience, period. You are just flat out wrong in the way you exagerate the dangers of mdma because you had a "one in a million" negative reaction. You'd have a better case for demonizing peanut butter.

 

[First Bad Comedown]

George...to you and your huge cock...

Good point - I failed to elucidate my own subjective experience on what 'magic' is.
Once again I focused on the chemical/hormonal truth, rather than the subjective.

I will admit, again, that yesterday was a very argumentative day for me.
This has happened at other times throughout the year, and you aren't the first one to be exasperated by it.
But I assure you, there are people that both read and benefit from my rants.

If threads existed in which OPs really wanted to debate the harm of MDMA, you can bet I would be seen there.
But those threads don't exist often, so I must insert my opinions, research, and warnings where I am.
Yesterday was an example of a little more typing than normal, but there were no stimulants involved aside from a little coffee.

When MDMA does cause brain damage, there are reasons to believe that serotonin degradation causes dopamine suppression.
This is seen in many types of psychosis.
So there is another concession on my part.

I am not actually crazy, nor do I exhibit most psychotic symptoms.
But my ability to type at length and argue can be fueled by whatever is going on inside my head.
Regardless of this, even on very calm days, my opinion does not change very much.
BL is full of potential, yet lacks a strong voice of caution.

MDMA is dangerous, regardless of your personal experience.
And brain images would likely show evidence of damage in your brain too.
So the question is WHY do you feel so normal?
What is the EXACT role of serotonin?

It sounds like you have done HUNDREDS of doses and consider yourself fine.
You claim to have lost the magic several times, and had to stop smoking weed....but you avoided SS or anxiety issues.
Or did you?

I have met many former MDMA users that suffered immensely for a year or more, only to dismiss the significance of this later on.
It is almost as if the brain forgets how bad it really was.
Now that is interesting shit, and I hope to join the club one day.

Pointing to your extensive use and drawing conclusions is NOT scientific in any way.
Research suggests that MOST MDMA users discontinue within 100-250 doses.
Tolerance can begin in as few as 6.

And while there are users seen in research well beyond 250 doses, they typically show cognitive, endocrine, and SERT deficits!
But it can also be shown that the detectable cognitive deficits are 'subtle'.
Perhaps we just can't tell what the real influence of serotonin is.

You are at the other extreme.
And while your experience is valid, you are likely ignoring real data.
You have indeed lost innervation in your higher brain, and you have adapted.
Good for you.
Do us all a favor and let BL know if you ever have to stop rolling.

Redosing and rolling four days in a row is an ignorant and arrogant practice.
And preaching it on BL serves to help NOBODY.
Mods will back me up on this - binges on MDMA are fucking stupid.
And dangerous.

MDMA is not binge-worthy period.
End of discussion.
You and your etard buddies can stfu.

Do you understand that at least SOME MDMA users, like me, cannot reach your lifetime total without REAL brain damage?
Even if it is only 10 percent of users, you are endangering your fellow rollers with such stupidity.
Animal research strongly suggests that enough redosing GUARANTEES brain damage in ALL subjects.

Human research still has many years ahead, but plenty of evidence suggests that the BULK of MDMA users exists somewhere between the two extremes. Most don't have to stop as early as I did, but they don't go on as long as you did.
You are not 'living proof' of lack of brain damage.
And I am not 'one in a million'. There are too many examples on BL of people like me.
Open your eyes.

But you may be 'living proof' of the RANGE of tolerance that brains have.
Good for you. Roll your brain off, buddy.
But keep your dick-sizing comments to yourself.

Nothing makes me want to type endlessly and post studies more than a heavy user denying the presence of HARM.
Stupid etard bullshit.

And if your dick is so big, why do a few long posts by me really bother you?
Seriously, don't you have something else to worry about?
Your on BL because you are rolling, and apparently you can't help yourself but to be bothered by FBC.

I'm fine with that.
But I am done with arguing for a day or two.
Me and my big dick have things to do.

Peanut butter?
Jesus Christ this world is in trouble.

 

[georgewc2001]

^A-FUCKIN-MEN

Btw...i never said my cock was huge.

And, yes, peanut butter...I'm sure it kills way more people each year than mdma.