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What is less neurotoxic for all-night even, redosing MDMA or taking amp ?

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Necotu

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Hi,
I wonder what is considered "safer" regarding neurotoxicity for 12 hours event :

1. Redosing MDMA (maybe 1/2 of inital)

2. Taking amp orally when MDMA starts to wear off

3. Snorting smaller dose of amp so its wearing off when MDMA kicks in

WHat do you think? There is also an option not to be high for all 12 hours but for last 8-10 hours instead.

Off course, some amp before and after would guarantee that all 12 hours are covered.

And MDMA is the "main" thing so I am just interested in amp to get all night covered, mixing its effects with MDMA is not a goal.
 
Taking A third-dose re-dose usually after T: 1:30 usally extens the plataeu for about one hour, and shouldn't worsen the hangover or neurotoxicity.
 
Bone14 said:
Taking A third-dose re-dose usually after T: 1:30 usally extens the plataeu for about one hour, and shouldn't worsen the hangover or neurotoxicity.
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Yeah, I noticed thats the formula on bluelight :) the only problem is that 1 hour is not so much... thats why I considered all those options.
 
I would think that 1) taking 2 differently and relatively safely researched substances would be better than 2) re-dosing on 1 substance.

Im guessing that 2)re-dosing on the same substance would deplete ur body and brain of the same things,which isnt neurotoxicity, but hangover and duration was mentioned and both can be related to depletion of neurotransmitters and other things. right? if im wrong, im no scientist.
 
12 hour raves can be tiring and i understand you want to enjoy it to the fullest.

Im no nocturnal person and i did this one night and was still quite awake 12 hours later:

10pm - 10am rave.

for first 2 hours i just drank water and enjoyed myself =)
then started on mdma.. say a very light dose.

Then dosed a little bit harder.. then finished last few hours on small bumps of k
 
I know how amp and mdma work together, but this time I dont want to "ruin" mdma because it was a while since the last mdma, so I want to feel it "as pure" as possible.
SO, I am wondering, even if amp is wearing off at the moment I take mdma, will amp comedown "ruin" mdma effects a bit since dopamine along with some serotonine would be already "drained" and my "baseline" would be lower, in another words, I wouldnt take it while I am "fresh"?
 
Necotu said:
Hi,
I wonder what is considered "safer" regarding neurotoxicity for 12 hours event :

1. Redosing MDMA (maybe 1/2 of inital)

2. Taking amp orally when MDMA starts to wear off

3. Snorting smaller dose of amp so its wearing off when MDMA kicks in

WHat do you think? There is also an option not to be high for all 12 hours but for last 8-10 hours instead.

Off course, some amp before and after would guarantee that all 12 hours are covered.

And MDMA is the "main" thing so I am just interested in amp to get all night covered, mixing its effects with MDMA is not a goal.
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You can redose, but only do it once. Anything more than that is overkill and a waste of drugs.
 
Where are people getting these figures from?

Reasonable amounts of each will be fine aslong as you don't over-do it or do it again too soon.
 
not combining MDMA and AMP for neurotoxicity.


But if you are raving for 12 hours then you have bigger things to worry about...


Get some non-neurotoxit drugs and go MENTAL :D
 
from wikipedia:
In multiple studies, GHB has been found to impair spatial and working learning and memory in rats with chronic administration. These effects are associated with decreased NMDA receptor expression in the cerebral cortex and possibly other areas as well.[60]
 
OP how do 'you' feel when coming down from AMPS? If you feel awful on the comedown from amps then plan it so your not coming down from them when you want to still be partying.

MDMA and then a redose would be better for you - if that would give you the energy for a full night of raving, only you know.

If you want a full night of raving regardless of the outcome then Start on the MDMA - then dose your Amp and final dose of MDMA. This way you will have clean ride for the start of the night and a more energetic finish - you will come down when the event finishes. (small dose of amps just as a energy boost)

If you do it the other way around you may find the lack of energy from the amp makes you feel really tired /heavy and no amount of MDMA will get you back up and dancing.
 
Bearlove said:
OP how do 'you' feel when coming down from AMPS? If you feel awful on the comedown from amps then plan it so your not coming down from them when you want to still be partying.

MDMA and then a redose would be better for you - if that would give you the energy for a full night of raving, only you know.

If you want a full night of raving regardless of the outcome then Start on the MDMA - then dose your Amp and final dose of MDMA. This way you will have clean ride for the start of the night and a more energetic finish - you will come down when the event finishes. (small dose of amps just as a energy boost)

If you do it the other way around you may find the lack of energy from the amp makes you feel really tired /heavy and no amount of MDMA will get you back up and dancing.
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I think that not going to comedown from amps before the party ends is not hard too achieve, but your "schedule" seems logical as I wanted clean ride. I could even take small amp after both MDMA doses. That would keep me up til the and of the night.

I am just thinking, if its speculated that dopamine is making damage to serotonin "cells" when they are depleted from serotonin, it looks like amp would make even more damage in low-serotonin (MDMA comedown) phase?

I would really like the most to do it with MDMA only, its just that I am trying to be responsible about that neurotoxicity thing as I never did when I was younger and everybody is saying that you cant get much longer roll with redosing. I dont have to really be high all 12 hours. I could let first 2 hours to pass without anything.

The other thing is event schedule:) There are concerts in first few hours and then "partying":) so, i should stay "clean" for first 2 hours and then dose mdma, I dont want it to end too early.

In the other hand, I guess total ammount of MDMA should matter... and if I understood correctly, "forcing" oneself to roll again while coming down could be harmful as neurotransmitters are already drained and fragile...So it should be somewhere around peak. I am concerned about long-term damage not about hangover. If you stay in some "intoxicated" state longer, its logical that your hangover will be crappier. Thats something I often do with alcohol, survive the hangover and I dont drink for some period. I get over it.:) Its just that nobody told me "Do not redose the same ammount of vodka you drank in first 3 hours, and do not redose after 5 hours or so, dont try to get drunk again when it wears off" :) I know.. different mechanisms for different substances but you get the idea.
 
What about MDMA and caffeine then? First dose clean, second dose with Caffeine. This will give your second dose some energy and keep you going for the rest of the night (without the need for amps).

How often are you rolling? If your spacing out your rolls and then going easy when you do pop then one night of a few pills (cpl hundred MGs MDMA) and a bit of amp isnt going to cause you that many problems.

If you stay hydrated, get some vit c into you when you finish and try and get something to eat and then rest then the comedown will not be as bad.
 
Actually, I havent rolled for 2,5 years :) and I dont plan to do it more than twice this year. Long ago i didnt really care, I had binge periods, thats why am trying to take measures now and I want it to be good because I wont do it often.
Yeah, maybe youre right.... something up to 300mgs...I just need it to last through the night ..Cant find caffeine pills right now.. Maybe some energy drinks on the top? :) Even Coca-Cola, I just hope that carbonated drinks doesnt kill the roll...
Thats another question, does drinking beer, cola and carbonated drinks in general make bad stomach environment for mdma? Ive read somewhere that carbonated drinks have some carbon... something acid. Wine has some acid in it too... Maybe Ill stick to strong alcohol lol
OK, I am being annoying right now...its just that I have read lot of stuff now and am worrying about everything, its like I am rolling for the first time lol

I did ALL of the things I am concerned about before but now I want to have everything without consequences:) Trying impossible I guess:)
 
Bearlove said:
What about MDMA and caffeine then? First dose clean, second dose with Caffeine. This will give your second dose some energy and keep you going for the rest of the night (without the need for amps).

How often are you rolling? If your spacing out your rolls and then going easy when you do pop then one night of a few pills (cpl hundred MGs MDMA) and a bit of amp isnt going to cause you that many problems.

If you stay hydrated, get some vit c into you when you finish and try and get something to eat and then rest then the comedown will not be as bad.
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The only thing ive found with caffeine is it makes you very Hungry whilst raving i had to go off and get a burger lol
 
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